[llperez]

 been reading that his draft projections are all over the place. Chad ford has reported that at least one team has him #5 on their draft board while a few others have him in the 30’s.

Lets take a look at this guy for aminute. He has great measurments. 

Height= 6-9.25……Solid for a pf, even better for a sf if he plays on the wing

reach=7-3.5….better then willie cauley stein, trey lyles, bobby portis, kelly oubre and many others who are considered long defensive guys.

He shot 42% from three on the season while taking 1.5 per game and progressed as the seaosn went on. He is by no means a great shooter but he shows the potential and should be able to develop into a quality stretch guy who cant be left alone. 

He is an excellent defender who covers space and did a great job gaurding out on the perimter and prtoected the rim down low showing lots of versatitlity. 

He is raw, but i think he can come and defend and rebound right now while showing lots of hustle and will keep defense honest knocking down open jumpers and running the court hard in transition. Above average passer and ball handler for a forward. The only knocks on his game is he didnt take over games offensively and lacks strength and considering he is a freshman, thats something that comes along. I see all these others guys getting praised for their potential but a true freshman in looney who shows tons of it is getting relatively ignored. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TRC1991Participant]

He’s a stretch 4, certainly not a 3 

[llperez]

 he can probably gaurd threes better then 4’s at this point. Offensively he will never be a one on one type sf, but he  can knock down open jumpers and handles the ball really well. I could see him being like an andrie kirilenko type, raw around the edges but does all the little things on the wing.

[llperez]

 he can probably gaurd threes better then 4’s at this point. Offensively he will never be a one on one type sf, but he  can knock down open jumpers and handles the ball really well. I could see him being like an andrie kirilenko type, raw around the edges but does all the little things on the wing.

[TRC1991Participant]

He’s a stretch 4, certainly not a 3 

[mamadouParticipant]

Have you seen him play ?

If yes, that’s what you saw, tons of potential ?

I saw a longer, weaker (in every sense of the word) bennett, the former charles barkley/karl malone number one pick from the cavs, haha.

A 4 man in college and in the nba who thinks he’s a 3, a follower, an erratic shooter with questionable IQ and effort.

He has the tools, he needs the box.

I heard grant hill compared him to Joe smith, lanky PF, it’s a compliment, i think.

Typical UCLA prospect, boom or bust, you’ll bet on the boom, i’ll put my money on the bust.

The lower he would be selected, the better it would be for him and his "career" IMO.

I’m pretty scared, he’ll end with the suns…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[llperez]

 have im seen him play? yes, just about every game

you dont think he has tons of potential? Dude put up 12 and 9 and showed great defensive potential and athleticism as a freshman. He also shot 42% from three. For a guy known for being a rebounding defensive type who has never had their length or athleticism quesitoned, i think the shooting is a major bonus.

Questionable effort and IQ? He averaged 1 tunrover per game and played as smart a team game as can be asked never trying to do too much. Most draft experts comment positively on how high his motor was and how he rountinely came out of nowhere to contest shots or grabs rebounds out of position. Effort and IQ have never once come up about him in any analysis of him. 

ucla is boom or bust? arron afllalo, luc richard mbah a moute, jaordan farmar, trevor ariza, matt barnes jrue holiday etc… are all solid but not spectacular players, not sure how ucla is a boom or bust college, they have plenty of middle of the road players who performed well based on draft position. Name some first round busts?

I think a better question is have you seen him play, honest question?

 

 

 

 

[llperez]

 have im seen him play? yes, just about every game

you dont think he has tons of potential? Dude put up 12 and 9 and showed great defensive potential and athleticism as a freshman. He also shot 42% from three. For a guy known for being a rebounding defensive type who has never had their length or athleticism quesitoned, i think the shooting is a major bonus.

Questionable effort and IQ? He averaged 1 tunrover per game and played as smart a team game as can be asked never trying to do too much. Most draft experts comment positively on how high his motor was and how he rountinely came out of nowhere to contest shots or grabs rebounds out of position. Effort and IQ have never once come up about him in any analysis of him. 

ucla is boom or bust? arron afllalo, luc richard mbah a moute, jaordan farmar, trevor ariza, matt barnes jrue holiday etc… are all solid but not spectacular players, not sure how ucla is a boom or bust college, they have plenty of middle of the road players who performed well based on draft position. Name some first round busts?

I think a better question is have you seen him play, honest question?

 

 

 

 

[mamadouParticipant]

Have you seen him play ?

If yes, that’s what you saw, tons of potential ?

I saw a longer, weaker (in every sense of the word) bennett, the former charles barkley/karl malone number one pick from the cavs, haha.

A 4 man in college and in the nba who thinks he’s a 3, a follower, an erratic shooter with questionable IQ and effort.

He has the tools, he needs the box.

I heard grant hill compared him to Joe smith, lanky PF, it’s a compliment, i think.

Typical UCLA prospect, boom or bust, you’ll bet on the boom, i’ll put my money on the bust.

The lower he would be selected, the better it would be for him and his "career" IMO.

I’m pretty scared, he’ll end with the suns…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[holefillersParticipant]

 He should have stayed in college at least one more year. He will be in the D-League next season.  Add Trey Lyles to that list as well.

[holefillersParticipant]

 He should have stayed in college at least one more year. He will be in the D-League next season.  Add Trey Lyles to that list as well.

[drk3351Participant]

As someone who saw a bunch of UCLA games this year but is not a UCLA fan, let me give my unbiased opinion.

i think he busts. He is good in a few areas such as defense, rebounding and passing. But he is also very poor in other areas. He is a below average athlete. He’s not a very good finisher at the basket (stats back this up) and he gets tired easily so his motor does suffer. He did shoot 41% from 3 but this is misleading. He is just an ok shooter as his good percentage was on limited attempts and he shot a poor ft%. He also needs time to gather and shoot, and I don’t think he has NBA range yet.

People compare his game to Lamar Odom but Odom was an elite passer and also considerably more explosive in the open court and probably laterally. This likely helped Odom finish at the basket better than Looney as well.

[drk3351Participant]

As someone who saw a bunch of UCLA games this year but is not a UCLA fan, let me give my unbiased opinion.

i think he busts. He is good in a few areas such as defense, rebounding and passing. But he is also very poor in other areas. He is a below average athlete. He’s not a very good finisher at the basket (stats back this up) and he gets tired easily so his motor does suffer. He did shoot 41% from 3 but this is misleading. He is just an ok shooter as his good percentage was on limited attempts and he shot a poor ft%. He also needs time to gather and shoot, and I don’t think he has NBA range yet.

People compare his game to Lamar Odom but Odom was an elite passer and also considerably more explosive in the open court and probably laterally. This likely helped Odom finish at the basket better than Looney as well.

[llperez]

 agree on everyting with the shooting but disagree he is below average defensively. He consistently gaurded out to 30 feet on wings on switches and showed great ability to switch and recover and come from nowhere to contest shots, deflect passes or get rebounds. No idea how you see a below average athlete here. He runs the floor effortlessly. Ive never heard the odom comparisons but if people said those things then i agree those are bad comparisons. I think tyrus thomas/andrei kirilenko are appropriate comparisons.

[llperez]

 agree on everyting with the shooting but disagree he is below average defensively. He consistently gaurded out to 30 feet on wings on switches and showed great ability to switch and recover and come from nowhere to contest shots, deflect passes or get rebounds. No idea how you see a below average athlete here. He runs the floor effortlessly. Ive never heard the odom comparisons but if people said those things then i agree those are bad comparisons. I think tyrus thomas/andrei kirilenko are appropriate comparisons.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 Do you see how high he gets off the ground ? He really isn’t fast for a SF, and maybe ok speed for a PF. Kirilenko is a very unique player, and wasn’t all that skilled other then being a good defender. Because when his athletic ability went so did he. Tyrus Thomas is a super athletic player with very little skills. Is he in the league anymore ? He is undersized for the PF position without a post game, and will have a hard time holding his ground. Also is not that fast or athletic, and skilled enough to be a SF. So how high do you think Looney should be rated ?

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 Do you see how high he gets off the ground ? He really isn’t fast for a SF, and maybe ok speed for a PF. Kirilenko is a very unique player, and wasn’t all that skilled other then being a good defender. Because when his athletic ability went so did he. Tyrus Thomas is a super athletic player with very little skills. Is he in the league anymore ? He is undersized for the PF position without a post game, and will have a hard time holding his ground. Also is not that fast or athletic, and skilled enough to be a SF. So how high do you think Looney should be rated ?

[llperez]

 how high he gets off the ground? yes he can finish above rim. Hes not a higlight reel player, but he routinely grabbed rebounds at the height of the ball without having to gather himself like many other bigs.

 

 Isnt fast as a sf? i felt like he ran as fast as he needed to, never saw him struggle to keep up with anyone. 

undersized as a pf? in terms of height and length, absolutely not. in terms of size and strength, yes he is very undersized and will need to add some meat if he plays pf(i see him more as a sf though).

How high do i think he should be rated? in the 8-12 range. Two guys in the same range i 100% put looney ahead of are dekker and booker. Booker showed sub par athleiticsm at the combine, never showed great one on one ability and is pretty much only riding being a good shooter without showing consistent ability to gaurd or create his own shot. Dekker has an nba body but also had 3 years to develop and still doesnt do any one thing that great. 

 

 

[llperez]

 how high he gets off the ground? yes he can finish above rim. Hes not a higlight reel player, but he routinely grabbed rebounds at the height of the ball without having to gather himself like many other bigs.

 

 Isnt fast as a sf? i felt like he ran as fast as he needed to, never saw him struggle to keep up with anyone. 

undersized as a pf? in terms of height and length, absolutely not. in terms of size and strength, yes he is very undersized and will need to add some meat if he plays pf(i see him more as a sf though).

How high do i think he should be rated? in the 8-12 range. Two guys in the same range i 100% put looney ahead of are dekker and booker. Booker showed sub par athleiticsm at the combine, never showed great one on one ability and is pretty much only riding being a good shooter without showing consistent ability to gaurd or create his own shot. Dekker has an nba body but also had 3 years to develop and still doesnt do any one thing that great. 

 

 

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I think he rated where he should be. 

I would make the comparison with him with a less talented Austin Davis, and maybe James Jones.

 

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I think he rated where he should be. 

I would make the comparison with him with a less talented Austin Davis, and maybe James Jones.

 

[drk3351Participant]

Umm I said his defense was good, not below average. And I completely disagree with those two comparisons as Thomas and AK47 were really athletic, Looney is not. Also to Looneys credit the Thomas one is also a bad comparison because Looney was a significantly smarter player at this stage. 

[drk3351Participant]

Umm I said his defense was good, not below average. And I completely disagree with those two comparisons as Thomas and AK47 were really athletic, Looney is not. Also to Looneys credit the Thomas one is also a bad comparison because Looney was a significantly smarter player at this stage. 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

By no means is Looney a great defender. He is better at guarding 3s, but it seems he will struggle at the next level. His handle is really really weak, which makes him nothing more than a spot up shooter. He’s a good offensive rebounder, a mediocre defensive rebounder. He can definitely find a niche in the league, but he’s not underrated IMO. He’s OK in the 14-20 range.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

By no means is Looney a great defender. He is better at guarding 3s, but it seems he will struggle at the next level. His handle is really really weak, which makes him nothing more than a spot up shooter. He’s a good offensive rebounder, a mediocre defensive rebounder. He can definitely find a niche in the league, but he’s not underrated IMO. He’s OK in the 14-20 range.

[mamadouParticipant]

 Looney as a SF you’re dreaming man, he’s lanky but he’s no tayshaun prince, otto porter…

He’ll end as a 6’10, 240 pounder PF due to his length.

 Lebron will play 25-30 minutes at the 4 tonight and looney is an nba 3…OK.

That’s your conclusion, seeing 20 games of him.

It could explain all the "great defender" "run hard" "hustler" stuff or maybe you were talking of RHJ my lord.

7’3 wingspan, 9’2 standing reach, 31 mins per game, here comes your defensive juggernaut at 0,9 BPG.

The shooter, midrange game nba, i would say yes, nba 3 pts range i’ll have to see it to believe it, he’s no kaminsky or even turner(later) at all in that regard, and a PF shooting 27% from three is not a weapon in this league.

Being a fake stretch 4, a fake hustler and  point forward should be his calling card.

"Looney tends to tire fairly easily and often looks fatigued as the games move on, grabbing onto his shorts and really struggling with his effort and awareness. This was increasingly an issue as the year moved on, which may explain why his production took as much of a nose-dive as it did. It’s not clear if this was due to a lack of conditioning or something more deeply-rooted"

I saw it before i read it, who’s lying ?

It’s not how you start a season, it’s how you finish, ask oubré, johnson, turner, towns or winslow.

Hawks at best at 15, hopefully his hand won’t be hold by an ukrainian center or the morris thugz in this league.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mamadouParticipant]

 Looney as a SF you’re dreaming man, he’s lanky but he’s no tayshaun prince, otto porter…

He’ll end as a 6’10, 240 pounder PF due to his length.

 Lebron will play 25-30 minutes at the 4 tonight and looney is an nba 3…OK.

That’s your conclusion, seeing 20 games of him.

It could explain all the "great defender" "run hard" "hustler" stuff or maybe you were talking of RHJ my lord.

7’3 wingspan, 9’2 standing reach, 31 mins per game, here comes your defensive juggernaut at 0,9 BPG.

The shooter, midrange game nba, i would say yes, nba 3 pts range i’ll have to see it to believe it, he’s no kaminsky or even turner(later) at all in that regard, and a PF shooting 27% from three is not a weapon in this league.

Being a fake stretch 4, a fake hustler and  point forward should be his calling card.

"Looney tends to tire fairly easily and often looks fatigued as the games move on, grabbing onto his shorts and really struggling with his effort and awareness. This was increasingly an issue as the year moved on, which may explain why his production took as much of a nose-dive as it did. It’s not clear if this was due to a lack of conditioning or something more deeply-rooted"

I saw it before i read it, who’s lying ?

It’s not how you start a season, it’s how you finish, ask oubré, johnson, turner, towns or winslow.

Hawks at best at 15, hopefully his hand won’t be hold by an ukrainian center or the morris thugz in this league.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[llperez]

 looney as a sf your dreaming? —————okay time will tell

hell end as a 6-10 240 pf.———–possibly, not against that idea at all with time

lebron will play 25-30 minutes as pf and looney is an nba 3 okay? ———-have no idea what your getting at here. Looney is already far more advanced then trevor ariza was coming out of ucla who so happens to play about 35 minutes a game as a three right now in the playoffs. But if your comparison is lebron, then yeah, everyone in the enitre draft sucks.

great defender, run hard, hustler, you sure you not talking about rhj?———-RHj fits all those things too, but no im clearly talking about looney. Which of those comments do not fit looney?

a pf  shooter 27% from three is not a weapon in this league———-agreed, who you talking about? looney shot 42% from three.

hes a fake hustelr and point forward———-never once heard him refered to as a point forward. You did compare him to anthony bennet which is about the worst possible comparison making me question what you are watching. An athleticly below the rim pf in bennet who is strong and muscles guys vs an athleticaly adept sknny pf who covers ground but needs to gain weight in looney. no idea how you could ever make that comparison.

its not how you start a season its how you finish it————your point? his overall stats show no major difference from the first half the season to the last half the season. in fact both his fg% and three point % climbed and his turnovers dropped the second half the season and he scored double digits 11 of the last 18 games. His improved play was very benefcial to the bruins strong finsh down the stretch of the season.

hopefully his hand wont be held by a ukraninan center or the morris twins in this league———–what?????

 

 

[llperez]

 looney as a sf your dreaming? —————okay time will tell

hell end as a 6-10 240 pf.———–possibly, not against that idea at all with time

lebron will play 25-30 minutes as pf and looney is an nba 3 okay? ———-have no idea what your getting at here. Looney is already far more advanced then trevor ariza was coming out of ucla who so happens to play about 35 minutes a game as a three right now in the playoffs. But if your comparison is lebron, then yeah, everyone in the enitre draft sucks.

great defender, run hard, hustler, you sure you not talking about rhj?———-RHj fits all those things too, but no im clearly talking about looney. Which of those comments do not fit looney?

a pf  shooter 27% from three is not a weapon in this league———-agreed, who you talking about? looney shot 42% from three.

hes a fake hustelr and point forward———-never once heard him refered to as a point forward. You did compare him to anthony bennet which is about the worst possible comparison making me question what you are watching. An athleticly below the rim pf in bennet who is strong and muscles guys vs an athleticaly adept sknny pf who covers ground but needs to gain weight in looney. no idea how you could ever make that comparison.

its not how you start a season its how you finish it————your point? his overall stats show no major difference from the first half the season to the last half the season. in fact both his fg% and three point % climbed and his turnovers dropped the second half the season and he scored double digits 11 of the last 18 games. His improved play was very benefcial to the bruins strong finsh down the stretch of the season.

hopefully his hand wont be held by a ukraninan center or the morris twins in this league———–what?????

 

 

[tuck243Participant]

I personally think he’s a low first round to 2nd round draft pick.   He’s already below height you would want for a big man, but you combine that with the athletic ability of a Shawn Bradley, then you need to re-think why you will take him so high.   These combo forwards RARELY works in the NBA and we have more than enough proof to verify this.  Even with that said the guys who already have a hard time with being slightly undersized were BETTER than Kevin Looney offensively.  Damn sure better than him athletically.   

You don’t take a chance with a player like this period.   You can’t even name a player that has the same game as him and is doing well.  Greg Monroe was better offensively.  Paul Milsap…  Hell, Josh Smith has a similar game but he’s light years ahead of Looney athletically.   Don’t waste a pick and pass…

 

[tuck243Participant]

I personally think he’s a low first round to 2nd round draft pick.   He’s already below height you would want for a big man, but you combine that with the athletic ability of a Shawn Bradley, then you need to re-think why you will take him so high.   These combo forwards RARELY works in the NBA and we have more than enough proof to verify this.  Even with that said the guys who already have a hard time with being slightly undersized were BETTER than Kevin Looney offensively.  Damn sure better than him athletically.   

You don’t take a chance with a player like this period.   You can’t even name a player that has the same game as him and is doing well.  Greg Monroe was better offensively.  Paul Milsap…  Hell, Josh Smith has a similar game but he’s light years ahead of Looney athletically.   Don’t waste a pick and pass…

 

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I really hope he gets drafted before the Celtics pick. That is the only sure way I can trust Danny Ainge not taking him.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I really hope he gets drafted before the Celtics pick. That is the only sure way I can trust Danny Ainge not taking him.

[kobyzParticipant]

 He has good motor, maybe if he gain 15 pounds he could be solid role player at the 4 position right now is poor man terrence jones…

[kobyzParticipant]

 He has good motor, maybe if he gain 15 pounds he could be solid role player at the 4 position right now is poor man terrence jones…

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