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Kevin love best PF in the NBA

I think it's pretty obvious at this point. Best rebounding and best scoring while being able to kill you under the basket,midrange,deep. BTPH. Do you still doubt him or have you had a change of heart yet? I said he was better than Blake last year and I think he is even more so this year. Blake even has the better PG on top of having defenses have to worry about CP3 which makes things easier for him. I like Blake but he doesn't look like he's gotten better since last season

The excuse that Love plays on a horrible team can't be used anymore since they are in the playoff hunt one year after being one of the worst teams in the NBA


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I'd still take the reigning

I'd still take the reigning NBA Finals MVP who took down one of the most talented teams in recent NBA history. Dirk started slow but has now had 4 straight games of at least 27 points. Might not be exciting as Kevin Love because he's olxer, but if I were making a team, he'd be the power forward I'd choose because of his scoring prowess and big-time clutch gene.

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For some reason I forgot

For some reason I forgot about Dirk. Ok second best

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wow, you just tucked your

wow, you just tucked your tail between your legs and walked off the field like a pansy.

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It's definitely arguable.

It's definitely arguable. Dirk has the "been there, done that" factor, but outside of that, I'd say Love has a strong case as the best PF this season.

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I don't think Kevin Love is

I don't think Kevin Love is the best power forward in the NBA, but he's definitely a more complete offensive player than Blake Griffin right now. The biggest difference between the two players is that Love can shoot the lights out, while Griffin struggles to make shots consistently outside of the paint. Love's jumpshot is just opening his game up, while teams are starting to figure out what Griffin likes to do. Griffin has to get better.

I'd still take Griffin heading forward I think. He works too hard not to figure out how to shoot or play defense. And when he does, I just don't think this will be close.

But for right now, Love has a big edge in shooting and has shown more improvement as a player this season.

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I honestly think he's the 3rd

I honestly think he's the 3rd reason they're better this year then last. Number one would be Rick Adelman (so underappreciated). Number two would be Rubio. Not a huge sample size, but they are 2-4 since he got hurt and I'm guessing it will worse as the season goes on.

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Third reason?..Is that a

Third reason?..Is that a joke? Rubio and lament help but they win because of Love. That's the main reason. Like Gasoline going to the lakers help and having Phil help but Kobe is the main reason. You take Love away and e team is the bobcats. Just another excuse to not give the man his due. The reason people pick Blake ....Athletic ability. That's why anyone takes one over another. You have more "potential" if you are athletic. People forget the fat. That Duncan is the best PF ever. Jordan although very athletic was at his best whe he was older and not as athletic. Karl Malon the same way. Blake works hard but can anyone honestly say he looks much different than last year and this is with the best PG in the NBA

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That's weird because last

That's weird because last year WITH Kevin Love they basically were the Bobcats (worst record in NBA). Then they get Adelman and Rubio/D-Will and they were above .500 before Rubio got hurt. Without Love they are 1-3 (Win: Kings, Losses: Lakers twice, Grizzlies) without Rubio they are 2-4 (Wins: Suns, Warriors Losses: Kings, Lakers, Jazz, Hornets). Hmmm that doesn't really seem like that huge of a difference to me. In fact you could say that favors Rubio.

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After i saw gasoline you lost me

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I think Bosh and Nowitzki are

I think Bosh and Nowitzki are better with Griffin not too far behind. I mean if he played any defense he'd already be considered better in my mind.

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I think Bosh and Nowitzki are

I think Bosh and Nowitzki are better with Griffin not too far behind. I mean if he played any defense he'd already be considered better in my mind.

Bosh better than Love? Thats just bs.

I think Love is an interesting case. He is underrated and overrated at the same time.

Underrated because there are some people have him barely in the top 7 discussion at power forward and act like he doesnt make him team better at all. There has been games this year where he just refused to lose and carried the team on his back. In fact he did it just last night against the Warriors. 36 points and 17 rebounds with clutch shot after clutch shot in the 4th quarter. His numbers are just fantastic. 26 ppg and 14 rpg on the season. He has more 30/15 games this year then the rest of the NBA combined.

He is over rated because some people act like he is the best PF easily and there is no debate. I have him as my top pf, but there can definatly be an argument for Nowitzki, Griffin, and Aldridge. Here in Minnesota alot of fans and local news people are saying he might be better than Kevin Garnett. Love is proving this season that he's better with the game on the line than Garnett was, because Love is eager to take big shots, and willing to draw contact and get to the foul line in crunch time. Love produces gaudier statistics than Garnett, and has improved his defense and passing this season under Rick Adelman, but Garnett's body of work can't be overcome by a couple of gaudy statistical seasons. Garnett's defense and all-around game elevated lots of mediocre teammates and teams to the playoffs. So, at the moment, Love still has work to do to match Garnett. It is much too early to be bringing up those comparisions.

Just my 2 cents

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Bosh can create his own

Bosh can create his own offense far better than Love can and is also the better defender and can play in the post much better than Love can. Love is a rebound whore and he can stroke the ball no doubt about that but Bosh is superior on that side of the floor in terms of what he brings to the table, now that you mention him also, Aldridge is better as well.

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Last year Aldridge was the

Last year Aldridge was the better player and deserved the all star nod over Love. I wish he had gotten it because I think I heard that his mom was sick and dying and wanted to see Aldridge in the game. This year though Kevin Love has passed him. We have played the Blazers twice this year and the twolves have won both games. Love went for 42/10 and 29/16. He got Aldridge is foul trouble twice and Aldridge really had no answer for him. Aldridge went for 14/7 and 22/7.

I do not think there is even an argument for Bosh. Bosh is definatly under rated and does not get any respect from people since he went to Miami, but I believe Love is the better player.

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I don't think these questions

I don't think these questions are answered in the regular season. I doubt anyone would trust Blake or Love with their team more than Dirk come May. Blake needs to work on his free throws and Love needs to get better on his two point shots. Here's a comparison of Dirk and Blake in the month of March:

Dirk: 25.5 pts, 6.4 reb, 50% FG, 51% 3PT, 91% FT
Blake: 19.8 pts, 10.3 reb, 52% FG, 0% 3PT, 55% FT

Dirk probably won't ever be the rebounder that he was in the past. His current career average in the playoffs is 25 points and 10 rebounds. He's saving his legs a bit and letting Marion and Haywood grab boards. But there's no question his offensive game is still there.

I'm glad that Zach Randolph is finally healthy. He was starting to look like the second best PF on the planet last post season. He's put up good numbers in his first two games back.

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Aldridge does everything

Aldridge does everything better then Love except rebound and shoot from deep. He doesn't matchup well against him, but he's still better. Not to mention he plays in Portland and has probably played his entire career with a torn ACL.

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I Buy.

I think Love should get credit as being the best right now. 26/14 is pure insanity. I know he doesn't play much D and he's not on a team that can do much this year, but he's improved drastically each season he's been in the NBA. I'd rank Love #1 right now, but at the end of the day would probably take 2-3 other PFs ahead of Love if I were a GM. I think potential and proven track record are both legitimate arguments and Love loses both. However, I think this is a discussion about the here and now and it's tough to argue against what Love has done on the court in 11/12.

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If I am starting a franchise

If I am starting a franchise today, I'm either taking Griffin or Love. If I'm starting a team for 1 season, I'm taking Dirk.

Love has added something to his game every year hes been in the league. I'll take that over a guy who has insane athletic ability but never adds more (I'm not saying Griffin has done that but people always seem to think being athletic automatically leads to potential).

I dont think people realize how good Kevin Love has been. He averages 26 and 14. If he cant create his own offense, shouldnt 26 ppg be celebrated? Thats absolutely incredible that a guy "who cant create his own offense" can average almost 30 ppg. His ability to create extra possessions with offensive rebounds is invaluable (especially with wings like Webster, Johnson, and Ellington)

There are about 7 PFs who can make a case for the best PF in the NBA right now. I think there should a weekly updated power rankings for the top 10 PFs because it honestly is really close with a bunch of them.

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K.Love

Easy. The most complete PF in the game.

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Naw man

I just don't feel right giving players credit for doing what they suppose to do... If Bosh, Amare, Dirk, and LA rebounding at least 10 boards a game majority of you wouldn't say Love is the clear case #1... The difference between Bosh, Amare, Dirk, LA from Blake and Love, they are actually GO TO players... And at times (well not Amare anymore) can be unguardable.... They can score in bunches... They have the length to play D when they need to... Blake and Kevin can't protect the basket to save their lives... Love is a more consistent Carlos Boozer to me... He Love the best PF in the NBA??? The argument can be made but that's not saying much because that position isn't what it used to be...

Remember all the All-Stars growing up when Duncan and KG were the clear cut #1 and #2??? Chris Webber, RaSheed Wallace, Brian Grant, Antonio McDyess... Go back further Vin Baker, Shawn Kemp, even Tyrone Hill... They all averaged 10 boards a game... Now??? Dirk, Amare, and LA NEVER averaged 10 boards... At least Bosh has done it... Bosh might be the most underrated player in the NBA... Without him the Heat are like 1-4... Hmmm...

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@Y2G, "Aldridge does

@Y2G, "Aldridge does everything better then Love except rebound and shoot from deep. He doesn't matchup well against him, but he's still better."

Agree, but about the last part, actually this season's 2 games are the 1st ones Love outplays LMA.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&...

Still 9-2 for LMA.

About Love, he is the PF who gets the better stats, but he is far from being the BEST PF in the game. I would take Dirk or LMA over him all day . Love still can't get his team to the playoffs, and I wonder how is that possible if he is the "best pf" and an MVP candidate (LOL), Love isn't a 1st option and never will be, he is an average post player, and can't create his own shot besides chuck 3pt shoots and get garbage points, that's why he can't lead a team to the playoffs. And what about his defense? he doesn't even contest his own man shots , he is more worried about his double double and his rebounding stats than defending, while other guys like Aldridge are contesting shots everywhere incluiding the 3pt line to help his team defending...

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^ You can't say "chuck 3pt

^ You can't say "chuck 3pt shots" when the guy is shooting 37% from that range. That is a weapon that any team would like to have. And the whole, "create your own one on one shot" mentatlity in the NBA makes me think that NBA fans forget that it is a 5 on 5 game. The guy is 4th in the league in points per game. He is doing it without Rubio as well. Somehow those shots are being created just fine, if you ask me.

But yes we want to see Love in the playoffs and see how he stands up to pressure. That is a big test.

Is "Gasoline" an autocorrect for Gasol? That is would be pretty funny if it was.

If I had to win a playoff series this year, I'd rather have Dirk and maybe Gasol starting at PF. But if I had to start a team and you could factor in youth, I'd take Love over Griffin right now and no one else beside Griffin would be in contention. Love has not only been really good his entire carreer (his Rookie year! per 36 min stats were 16pts and 13 rebounds per game!), he hasn't shown any injury issues. And while his game relies on atheleticism (the guy is a good jumper despite what people think), it isn't completely dependent on it like Griffin. You could kind of see Love's shooting and post moves improving over the next few years and the guy putting up these numbers for at least another 7 years (at which point he would be 30) and being effective and crafty for another 5 or 6 years after that. Griffin's game will start to fade much sooner and the drop off will be much quicker.

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Rubio

Give alot of the credit to Love, who is the best PF in the world. But without Rubio the wolves will not be a threat in the playoffs if they make it. He was the spark and got everyone involved in the game, and his defense was very impressive. But to stay on topic, Love is the best rebounder, 2nd best shot of PF behind dirk, good passer, great FT shooter, is one of the hardest playing and working players in the game, defense is improved, and is becoming a leader. I would take him over any other PF.

But without Rubio, the rest of the Wolves will not be as productive. Mainly Pek, those two were awesome in the pick and rolls

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laugh out loud right now love

laugh out loud right now

love the best PF in the nba already?

okay.... just cuz hes having a better season than dirk doesnt mean hes better than him

simple as that....

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I like to watch Blake for the highlight reel and I love to watch Kevin play real basketball.

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Not sure if he is the best PF

Not sure if he is the best PF in the L, but definately better than Griffin. Love Griffin's dunks, but guy can't shoot for damn. 54% from FT line. No thanks.

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I think Kevin Love is a

I think Kevin Love is a really good player but to say he is the best PF already i dont think is correct. You guys like to point out how great his stats are and all that but they really arent as special as they seem when you look at them closely. The timberwolves have the nbas 4th fastest pace, which means that Kevin Loves stats are a bit inflated. The rest of the elite nba PF's teams pace is 14th and lower with Blake Griffins Clippers at the 27th fastest pace.

Also Kevin Love averages 39.8 mpg which is higher than any other PF in the league. The next highest is Gasol at 37.2, Bosh, Aldridge, Smith and Bosh all get 35-36.4 mpg and Millsap and Nowitzki get around 32mpg.

Finally you got to look at Kevin Loves 44% FG percentage in a negative way. No matter how many 3s he takes he shouldnt be shooting that low as post player. Thats lower than all starting NBA PFs but Jaminson(bad player) Anderson(55%of shot attempts are 3s) and Cousins(headcase). Even if you take away his 3pt shots he is till 23rd of the 30 nba starting PFs in 2pt FG %.

Also he at this stage is still a subpar defender and you have to hold that against him.

Look i still like Kevin Love as a player and i praise him for his hard work and improved shooting, I still have him as a Top 5 forward and if you think that he is the best PF in the league than think what you want i just wanted to point out reasons why i dont think he is.

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@Hadzialijagic Where do you

@Hadzialijagic

Where do you find those pace stats? I want to know what the Clippers pace was last season, because I feel like they play a lot slower this season.

A lot of people assume that Chris Paul makes Blake Griffin a lot better, but I sort of disagree. I mean, he throws that alley oop well and can get you easy baskets, but I think Paul dribbles too much. He's turned Griffin into mainly a pick and roll player. Last season, I thought Griffin was making huge strides as a go-to player in the low post, but that's changed this season since Paul has been added to the team.

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“The excuse that Love plays

“The excuse that Love plays on a horrible team can't be used anymore since they are in the playoff hunt one year after being one of the worst teams in the NBA”

They have seven former top six picks and an eighth who entered the league as a rookie with a top six pick contract. They have nine former lottery picks, and they still aren’t good. Front loading a compressed schedule with home games and back loading the road trip doesn’t make them good. They still aren’t interested in guarding anybody. You can have it.
If you want to talk about mediocre teams, are you going to make the argument that Drew Gooden is now the second best center in the league? Anyone want to make the argument that Gooden and Ilyasova are the best 4-5 combo in the league? They are going off for 38-18 per since Bogut went down. Milwaukee is in the playoff hunt. Nobody is going to make that argument? What about the Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap argument? Records and numbers are about the same. Are those crickets? Why do you suppose there is no talk of them? Could it be that they don’t do ESPN commercials, shows and promos? Is it so crazy that the whole “favorable coverage” offering Rupert Murdoch’s media empire offered Charlotte Church in exchange for singing at his wedding would take place in the US? It isn’t as if that just prior to the SEC signing a mega-partnership with ESPN that an undefeated Auburn football team didn’t go to the BCS title game. Since that broadcast partnership has been in place, the narrative about the greatness of the SEC gets their rep, and this year two, into the title game every year. Pure coincidence, right? What about the decision of ESPN to withhold coverage of Ben Roethlisberger getting accused of rape? He was only in their commercials and a regular in their programming. All coincidences, I’m sure. Blake Griffin and Kevin Love are under the ESPN umbrella. Good for them. It doesn’t win them games (though they have both gotten favorable calls from refs this season that certainly has helped with the Sixers game being the most obvious case), but even beyond that it does market them. Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol, and Dirk Nowitzki never went that way. They just won titles. Zach Randolph just does his thing at about the best level there is. LaMarcus Aldridge, same thing. But if you turn on ESPN, it is their narrative. Jeremy Lin was a fringe guy trying to stick, but they made the conversation as to whether he was more important than Melo. LeBron James violated the Bulls and Celtics repeatedly in the playoffs, closing out games in the most cold-blooded of ways. If he misses a shot or doesn’t take the shot with less than a minute left, it fills their coverage for a week. Tim Tebow, are you kidding me with what they did to that? It doesn’t matter what reality is. They make it their own.

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BTPH I pretty much just

BTPH I pretty much just assume everything you say is right, but idk how this ESPN rant has anything to do with Kevin Love being one of the top PF's in the game. Also you say that we still are not interesting in guarding anyone when actually the wolves have made great strides on the defensive end this year. We are 14th in defensive efficiancy. So we are better than average.

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BTPH we all hate ESPN but they are not the reason why Love is considered one of the best PF's in the game; it's because he really is.

And right now I don't think I can sit here and confidently say who the best PF is. There are just too many options for someone who doesn't have league pass. Not sayin this is a bad thing though.

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Watch them play. They aren't

Watch them play. They aren't guarding anyone. Kevin Love is a good power forward, but elite players aren't spending their careers in the lottery. A lot of power forwards in his division, in his conference, have similar if not greater impacts and get next to none of the praise. That is the issue. When David Lee was in New York, there were just as many threads talking about how great he was. He was an All-Star, he is a max guy, yada yada yada. He never led New York to anything, but he got paid. He went to Golden State and teamed up with Monta Ellis and Steph Curry. Where are the wins. Praise is not he same thing as excellence. This is a mostly transparent league. The great talents and the great teams win. Guys get hurt, get old, stuff happens, coaches get fired, guys bed teammates' girlfriends and ruin season, vets take off the regular season, and whatnot, but for the most part it is not as if there is a long history of the best players in the league taking their teams to nowhere. Monta Ellis is a good player, but if Monta Ellis was on the level of Kobe and Wade like some Warrior fans like to argue (due to the numbers) then they should have actually gone somewhere.

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I live in Minnesota. I do

I live in Minnesota. I do watch them play. I have probably missed a total of 5 games this year max. They are defending this year. They are much improved over the years and with Rubio we were going to make the playoffs. Kevin Love is a much better player than David Lee. I would think that most Elite players who make playoff runs dont have Wes Johnson and Darko(he has started about half the games) starting for them. People keep bringing up that elite players dont play on losing teams and most of the time that is true, but Kevin Love was NOT an elite player until this year. This year he became elite and the wolves go from worst team in the NBA to in the playoff hunt. Granted Rubio, Pek, and Adleman have contributed to that, but Love is a major part of it.

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I don't consider Kevin Love

I don't consider Kevin Love elite at all. LeBron, Dwight, Kobe, D-Wade, Rose, Paul, Durant, Dirk and Melo (when he wants to be) are the only elite players in the NBA in my book.

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Before last year could you really say Dirk was the best or considered the best? All those star studded Mavericks teams w/ nothing to show for it...a historic 1st round exit to GSW. Honestly you/most would of said he's good but ehh idk not the best. I mean, if we are going lifetime achievement PF then yes, KL is nowhere close to the best. How about KG or CWebb? Luckily the big ticket teamed w/ a gr8 coach and 3 maybe 4 HOFers to win. Cwebb ran into the Lakers his whole prime and couldnt win sh!t.

A lot of your NBA career or your legend has to do w/ talent and luck. I love KB but he came into a situation where (AI, McGrady, Carter, Allen, Pierce, etc) all would have won rings w/ shaq and co. Wade had the diesel(20&9avg), Monta had Biedrins? What did Lee have in NY? Nate Robinson, Jamal Crawford? in GS he's had a injury riddled Curry, Ellis ,horrible coaching w/ no defensive principles (til this year).

And sure KL is spending his EARLY career in the lottery but consider the FO f'd up on flynn, wes johnson, corey brewer, foye, bottom line Rubio maybe Dwill were there only good picks in the past 6-7 years. W/ Considering KL is 23 and Dirk is 33 it's safe to say that Love is and will be in the convo for many many years and the wins may not have came yet but he's got another 12+ solid seasons in the L.

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"They are much improved over

"They are much improved over the years and with Rubio we were going to make the playoffs."

A healthy Rubio doesn't keep them from going on that same monster road trip that has blown up half the league's records.

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We were a .500 road team with

We were a .500 road team with Rubio. We are 2-4 on this road trip so far. That is not good, but in no way season ending. We can never know for certain, but I think some of those 4 losses would have been different with a healthy Rubio, but as I said we can never know for sure.

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You can never know for sure,

You can never know for sure, but you can see what those long trips have done to most of the league.

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That is true. I am admit, I

That is true. I am admit, I am a bit biased because I am a timberwolves fan, but with Rubio I think we could have survived the road trip. We are the 2nd youngest team in the league so I would like to think younger player's bodies could hold up better on a long road trip and have fresher legs. Many twolves players have been quoted saying they enjoy playing on the road. Lets just assume we lose in OKC Friday night and go 2-5 on the road trip. I would like to think a healthy Rubio is good for at least 1 win. A 3-4 road trip is not horrible. Not good, but not too bad for a 7 game trip. These 7 game trips are insane.

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BTPH

I'm with you brother... But I must say D. Wade is a little overrated in my book...

Anyway, if Kevin Love is who yall say he is then why can't he make the playoffs??? Its been 4 years right?? In a weak Western Conference right now... Having him don't equate to WINS at all... That's why I always laugh when people say Melo is overrated... How?? He's been to the playoffs every year of his career... While you have players that you put over him not have near the same success as him... Love's numbers are cool but if your big man is struggling to even average 1 block shot a game I'm sure you won't be winning anytime soon either...

Another thing everyone talking about this 3 pt %... Its 36%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He shoots at least 5 a game and it force his FG% to a basic 44% which is TERRIBLE for an "ELITE" PF... Yall saying Dirk and Amare are having a bad year and they STILL shoot better than this guy... Kevin Love don't get points in bunches which in my book is one of the requirements to be a superstar (much less the best)... Hyped up for doing his job which is to rebound... He doesn't protect the rim though... So whatev... Blake is the second coming of Amare with rebounding... I keep saying it and no one wants to believe me... He plays NO defense and use his athleticism to dominate the game... Amare got a jumper later in his career though...

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I can't believe someone said

I can't believe someone said the words "All those star studded Mavericks teams with nothing to show for it."

You mean a team that played Dampier and Diop at Center? A team that gave Keith Van Horn significant minutes? A team whose second best player was Josh Howard who has done nothing in his career outside Dallas.

Dirk has never played on a "star studded team".

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Dirk's still better for a

Dirk's still better for a playoff series, Love for a season. Blake shooting how he is and inconsistent as he is without any defensive effort has disqualified himself. I go back and forth on LMA. He might need a PG as much as Love does, except even with a PG doesn't put up nearly the numbers, but he is much better on D...

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Yeah, okay...

2002-03 Dallas Mavs: 60-22

  • Michael Finley
  • Steve Nash
  • Nick Van Excel
  • Dirk
  • Raef LaFrentz

2004-05 Mavs: 57-25

  • Dirk
  • Keith Van Horn
  • Jerry Stackhouse
  • Mike Finley
  • Jet
  • Devin Harris

2001-02 Mavs: 53-29

  • Dirk
  • Nash
  • Finley
  • Juwan Howard
  • Van Excel

2005-06 Mavs: 58-24

  • Dirk
  • Jet
  • Josh Howard
  • Stackhouse
  • Harris
  • Van Horn

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Anyway, if Kevin Love is who yall say he is then why can't he make the playoffs??? Its been 4 years right??

You are kidding me, right? When he first came into the league, Love was not expected to be anything special. His first 2 years he put up solid numbers, but no one expected him to be a star. Then his 3rd year he went off, and became a good player, but he was NOT ELITE yet. Then lets not forget that his first 3 years he had no talent around him and he was coached by McHale and Kurt Rambis!!! This offseason he works his ass off, loses 25 pounds, and improves his jumper. They get a little bit of talent around him and an actually NBA caliber coach, and they go from worst to in the hunt. This is the first year he has been Elite and they are in the playoff hunt.

Another thing everyone talking about this 3 pt %... Its 36%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

uh ok 36% is not bad at all. He shot over 40% last year so it is just a small decline. It happens. He also won the 3 point contest this year.

Love's numbers are cool but if your big man is struggling to even average 1 block shot a game I'm sure you won't be winning anytime soon either...

Uh ok..... Love's role is not to block shots on this team. Just because he is a PF doesnt mean he has to block shots. Dirk only averages .5 bpg, I think he has done a decent job at winning in his career. People act like Love is the worst defender in history. After losing the weight this year and working with Adleman, he is now a much better defender than in the past. He is still no where near good, but is not a total liability and is still working to get better.

Kevin Love don't get points in bunches which in my book is one of the requirements to be a superstar (much less the best)...

You do not watch timberwolves games. There have been plenty of games where he scores 8 in a row for us or 12 in a quarter. He is also 4th in the NBA in PPG and as of last night led the NBA in PPG in March with over 30 a game. so...... yeah.

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db24kb24 You just included

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You just included Nick Van Exel, Keith Van Horn, Raef Lafrentz, Devin Harris and Juwan Howard as "stars" and you got +5 for it. I feel like this is some joke I'm on the outside of.

Even if your point was accurate, it's a silly one. Dirk won a championship as the best player on a team with zero other All-Stars. Do you know who was the last person to do that? I'm pretty sure it was Hakeem in the 90's.

My point is simply that the playoffs are a more complete standard by which to judge players. Otherwise you'd have to say that Karl Malone was a better player than Tim Duncan. Until I see Blake or Love do anything substantial in the playoffs, I'll reserve judgement.

8 months ago Dirk Nowitzki was scoring over 27 points per game in the playoffs and knocking down teams left and right. If he was still playing as bad as he did in January I'd understand moving him aside, but he's playing well enough to maintain his hold on "Best PF in the game". Dirk's been the best PF in the NBA since Duncan declined.

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One more thing: I define a

One more thing: I define a "Star" as an All-Star. And for a team to be "star studded" they need to have current All-Stars.

Having Jerry Stackhouse at age 33 does not mean you have a star on your team. Having Steve Nash on your team before his ascension in Phoenix does not mean you have an All-Star.

Michael Finley was a borderline All-Star and Josh Howard made one All-Star game as a replacement for an injured player.

If you truly think Dirk has been playing on "star studded" teams then you simply have a very loose definition of a star. A definition that is so loose that it makes half the players in theNBA stars.

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Having him don't equate to

Having him don't equate to WINS at all... That's why I always laugh when people say Melo is overrated... How?? He's been to the playoffs every year of his career...

Yeah and what is Melo's record in the playoffs?

2003: 1-3 (Melo missed a game)

2004: 1-4

2005: 1-4

2006: 1-4

2007: 0-4

2008: 10-6

2009: 2-4

2010: 0-4

Total: 16-33

Only 1 year has he ever advanced past the 1st round. His teams have won 1 game or less in 6 of his 8 appearances.

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1. Only have one thing I disagree with in your original post. Love does take too many 3's, sure he shoots a solid %, but unless you're only meant to be in the game as a shooter, you shouldn't take 5 3's per game. Winning the 3 pt shootout doesn't really mean anything either, Cook won it not too long ago.

2. Melo's record in the playoffs in skewed. Melo was a rookie going aginst the #1 his first time. Then faced the #2 Spurs, the next year. The next two years weren't great. Then he played #1 seed LAL after that. He did well in 2008. 2009 they lost by Melo was averaged 30 ppg 8.5 rpg 3.2 apg and 2 spg, hardly his fault. Last year he sucked. So really five of his eight appearances aren't his fault at all. One is debatable, two were bad.

I do have to bring this up though by tuck.

"Anyway, if Kevin Love is who yall say he is then why can't he make the playoffs??? Its been 4 years right??"

Kevin Love hasn't even been the go-to option for 2 full seasons yet. Al Jefferson was for his first two seasons. Last year was his first year as the guy and he put up great numbers. This year he has stepped up his scoring numbers a bit, and improved his defense from worst in the NBA to bad. I think he's the most overrated player on this forum by far, but he hasn't even had two years, let alone four as the main guy.

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Melo's record in the playoffs

Melo's record in the playoffs in skewed. Melo was a rookie going aginst the #1 his first time. Then faced the #2 Spurs, the next year. The next two years weren't great. Then he played #1 seed LAL after that. He did well in 2008. 2009 they lost by Melo was averaged 30 ppg 8.5 rpg 3.2 apg and 2 spg, hardly his fault. Last year he sucked. So really five of his eight appearances aren't his fault at all. One is debatable, two were bad.

McGrady averged over 30 ppg in a playoff series 4 times, but all people remember is that he never won. One series he averged 33.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 8.3 apg, 1.8 spg, 1.2 bpg. They still lost and no one remembers those numbers. Does it really matter if you are getting to the playoffs every year only to lose in the first round? McGrady doesnt get a pass, why should Melo?

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Yes, it matters. McGrady is

Yes, it matters. McGrady is like top 5 in playoff scoring per game all time. His teams in Orlando were garbage and anyone who saw those teams gives him a pass easy. His Houston teams underachieved but he was still awesome in those. He never won, so obviously he get's a bad rap. Melo doesn't have that, no one says he can't get it done come playoff time. Garnett got a pass for losing like 7 years in a row in the 1st round. He never got it done unless he had a big 3.Melo has not only played well in the playoffs (mostly), but he made a conference finals not too long ago and was almost always the lower seed. So you're really going to hold that against Melo? No one else does.

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So you're really going to

So you're really going to hold that against Melo? No one else does.

I can understand giving him a pass the first few years when he was still a young player, but he has been in the playoffs 8 times now and has only won a playoff series 1 year and 2 series total. Melo can be really really good at times, but recent history has shown, when you take him off his team due to injury or trades, his team really does not get much worse. Part of that definatly is because the nuggets got alot of talent in the trade and the knicks gave up too much, but this year the Knicks have been better when Melo doesnt play.

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