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Ask D Wade about your prime

Ask D Wade about your prime starting at 25.

Acting as if there is a set age to a player's prime is hilarious. Every player is different. In the case of Beasely and Love, i really dont see them getting that much better than they are now. Maybe statistically, but as far as being potentially the #1 and #2 guys on a contender, absolutely not.

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I agree any rookie point

I agree any rookie point guard that puts up 15ppg and 5assist is just down right brutal

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Yea because once youre 22 you

Yea because once youre 22 you dont get much better. Blake and eric gordan prob wont get much better either. theres absolutly nothing that indicates they wont get better

And 25 is the age listed as prime because thats when youre body is at its best as far as physical performance

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I agree that anyone who gets

I agree that anyone who gets sent to the D League is downright brutal.

You pay wayyyy too much attention to statistics. 13.5 and 4.4 isnt 15-5, sorry. He shot 41% from the field, had an A/T ratio of 1.5, was a horrible defender, and he was the starting point guard on a 15-67 team.

Yes, he was brutal.

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Quincey, again, what are you

Quincey, again, what are you trying to prove? You cant predict the future, remember. Even if they get better, fine. Durant and Westbrook are going to keep getting better as well. If Everyone thats under 25 just keeps getting better, than the T Wolves will be in the same spot, last place. There are plenty of teams with young talent leading the way that are actually winning games.

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Minnesota just has to many

Minnesota just has to many guys, they have a lot of young guys that have potential but not enough time for them. They really need to trade them for a vet or more draft picks. If Irving is available Rubio really needs to go for a legit C or SG.

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Ask youre Doctor or anyone

Ask youre Doctor or anyone who works int he medical field about that one. Learned that while getting my Medical assistant degree

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Didnt every team get better

Didnt every team get better While OKC was getting better after Durants rookie year yet they made the playoffs last year?

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Fail...

Fail...

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Yes Quincey they did.

Yes Quincey they did. Clearly, Minnesota will mirror OKC next year and win 50 games. Thanks for predicting the future, even though we arent allowed to.

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Ask youre Doctor or anyone

Ask youre Doctor or anyone who works int he medical field about that one. Learned that while getting my Medical assistant degree

You learned that NBA players prime is 25 while getting a med degree?

Didnt every team get better While OKC was getting better after Durants rookie year yet they made the playoffs last year?

So age/injuries wasn't a factor in OKC making the playoffs?

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Didn't other teams get better

Didn't other teams get better after Jordan's rookie year yet they won titles

Bascially there's no way a rookie can ever make the allstar team because as they get better so is other players right?

How did derrick rose and rondo make the allstar team when they didnt make it as rookies since everyone got better as they got better. All this according to youre logic that They wont become a better team because as they get better other players/teams will also get better

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No that goes for All Humans

No that goes for All Humans and NBA players are human correct? so they would fit under that catagory

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Quincey, you have strayed way

Quincey, you have strayed way too far away from the point. You are suggesting that Minnesota is going to be a contender in 3-4 years. I hope you are right. But i disagree. Because they are aweful right now. And its not a bunch of rookies and 2nd year guys. Its 2 guys in there 3rd year. Even if these guys become stars (which, we have no way of knowing) they still dont have enough.

I am not disagreeing with you on anything you say, all ive said is i dont believe the T Wolves are going to be a contender with this nucleus. Sorry if you disagree, but thats just too bad.

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Prime years physically for

Prime years physically for humans- Mid 20's to early 30's. 25 is mid 20's correct so if you work hard on your skills and you're at your best physically then chances are you are probably gonna be better then you were at 22

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I think I even read somewhere

I think I even read somewhere that the actual prime for NBA players is between 27 and 31, because that's when they still have most of their youthful athleticism, but have a developed skill set.

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Did i say they are gonna be a

Did i say they are gonna be a contender?.. i dont recall saying that please show me where i said that. I said its foolish to think there is no chance that they are not gonna get better.

That is the point

Exactly what team stays with the exact same team 4 years later?..I can't think of one can you? Teams build trade out players sign free agents and let there main players get older and better

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Quuincy your arguements are

Quuincy your arguements are just a bunch of unrelated BS that you are pulling out your behind. I could careless what you learned in med school

Beasely and Love have won a combined about 30% of there games as NBA players. I dont see them being the cornerstones to any dynasties.

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Quincey...this is stuff i

Quincey...this is stuff i havent argued. All i have said was Minnesota wont be a contender. You are argueing with me over nothing...here

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"lets say hofstra playing vs duke and one of the hoftra players dropping 30 on them or last year when a kid from south carolina dropped 32 on John wall and the kentucky wildcats. Does that mean those guys are better then say Kyrie Irving or John wall"

My point exactly. Kevin Love is a good young player. However, acting like hes some messiah of rebounding isnt fair at all. Dennis Rodman won 5 rings. He helped his team win games. Ask Chris Bosh about what putting up #s while rotting awhile in the lottery does for you when you join a real team. "

I agreed with you, so you started argueing with me. Smart, really.

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How is it unrelated?.. We

How is it unrelated?..

We were talking about prime years right so how is saying what is the prime years for humans unrelated to what a players prime years are?

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I said I'm playing both sides

I said I'm playing both sides and the counter argument to that is thats college this is the NBA doesn't say " hey you're rebounding on a bad team so we are not gonna give you the rebounding title or have you in the history books as the best rebounder in the NBA for the 2010-2011 season. If the Twolves are never good and Love becomes the all time rebounding leader while putting up 20ppg the NBA is not gonna say " No we wont put you in the history books or consider you one of the best rebounders of all time nor put you in the HOF because you are did it on a bad team"

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AMEN QUINCEY......

AMEN QUINCEY...... damnnnnnnnnn

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". If the Twolves are never

". If the Twolves are never good and Love becomes the all time rebounding leader while putting up 20ppg "

LMAO. We cant predict the future, remember?

IRRELEVANT

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Human primes...lol. That has

Human primes...lol. That has nothing to do with this. Kevin Love's career winning percentage does, check that out.

Or maybe you can go back to your Jonny Flynn is a good player comment with his 41% and 15-67.

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Flynn didn't get demoted like

Flynn didn't get demoted like Urbanovreverything is saying.

I'm a season ticket holder and never miss a home game. Flynn got assigned to Sioux Falls to get some playing time for his recovering hip injury. I'm glad you actually look into what you are talking about before posting garbage.

QUINCEY, thanks for being informed and knowing what you are talking about on this one.

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Obviously that was IF love

Obviously that was IF love stayed at his current pace and IF the twolves were never good duh. No where in there did i say that it will happen. Good lord you cant be that slow. I now realize this point less. I should have listened to the other people on here who told me you could be clueless, you can have this you win I'm out

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I never said Kevin love

I never said Kevin love wasn't good because his team isn't. I said you guys need shut up about him. He would be better as a third option for a championship team then as a first option. Also he gets his own topic once a day, it's annoying.

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Youve said that before Agent

Youve said that before Agent Uno. If you dont like it, then dont read it.

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And as to

And as to urbanovereverything, if you dont see kevin love as an elite player in this league who can rebound and score, and become a cornerstone on a good team, then obviously ur not watching the game. the dude is a fundamental beast, hard worker, son of a coach, big man with a decent shot, has a 3 point stroke, dont hate on him because of his crappy team. Its only an excuse to diss him for no reason.

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Amen.

Amen.

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I thought some of your posts

I thought some of your posts were directed to me not urbaneverything, which is why I restated my point. My bad.

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its all good man no worries.

its all good man no worries.

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Anyways, how have the Suns

Anyways, how have the Suns looked? I haven't been able to watch more then one game yet, so I haven't seen much of the new guys.

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Well, Hakim Warrick has fit

Well, Hakim Warrick has fit in perfectly with the system, same Josh Childress (whose playing with a broken finger). The major disapointment has been Hedo, he really hasnt been productive, and hes coming off the bench now. Robins been injured so its kinda been a struggle. They seeem to only look like a 7 or 8 seed at best as of right now. J-rich is playing out of his mind though and Grant Hill looks like hes 26 again.

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Yo...if hes a cornerstone of

Yo...if hes a cornerstone of a title team, why is his winning % horrible? like bothteamsplayedhard said, you people make too big a deal of non factors in the NBA. When they T wolves start winning, Kevin Loves production will matter. Whether hes as great as you say he is, or not, its up to you to decide. But he wont be relevant until they are winners. Which they are not right now. So you can say whatever you want about your future...they arent winning.

MrMorrison. I know the Flynn D League situation. That doesnt matter when you consider 41% shooter, 1.5 A/T ratio, the starting PG on the worst team in the western conference, and the fact he cant guard. He is not a good basketball player. Anyone who watches basketball knows this. You picked him over 2 guards who are almost perennial all stars already, as well as guys such as Ty Lawson and Darren Collison who are substantially better than him.

You guys must have really had your mouth watering at Collison's numbers last year, since you love guys who put up stats and end every game with an L.

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Sounds like once we get

Sounds like once we get healthy we should be alright. I loved how J-Rich played in the playoffs last year and it's carrying over thankfully.

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Yeah if robin comes back

Yeah if robin comes back strong then we should be doing much better with his presence. An yeah J-rich def carried the suns vs portland and san antonio last year in the playoffs, but shooting almost 50% from 3 and hes leading the league in threes, thats impressive.

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They both may be putting up

They both may be putting up great numbers on bad teams, but there's a difference between Blake Griffin and Kevin Love.

One is a future superstar who you build your team around... The other is just a key role player on a great team.

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So a player who averaged 20

So a player who averaged 20 and 15 is just a key role player? I guarantee if Love got most of his point with monster dunks people would think different.

And UOE I said the Wolves were Ricky Rubio and a legit stud 2guard from being a dangerous team.

And what do you mean how much better are they going to get? Mike Beasley isn't even 22 yet and Kevin Love just turned 22. Do you seriously think in 3 years they are going to be the same players. The difference is they are going to be smarter to the league and more consistent. By the time Love is 25 he should be averaging around 22 and 15. And Beasley should be averaging atleast 25 points a game. Mike is just starting to find his stride. If you ever watched him play this year you would know that scoring comes easy to Beasley. In 2 years he will be scoring 25 points a game consistently. So what do we have from there?

We Got A Power Forward good for 21 PPG, 15 RPG, and a few assists.

We got a Small Forward good for 25 PPG, 7 RPG

Darko if still their Center will be good for: 12 PPG, 8RPG, 3 BPG and he will protect the rim like he does this year he is just starting to get more comfortable being an option in somebodies offense.

I am going to leave Jonny Flynn, Webster, Brewer, and Wes Johnson on the bench, and if that is their bench it;'s a pretty strong one, Flynn is the perfect back up PG.

Now Rubio is the X-Factor. All he has to do when he comes over if get Love and Beasley easy baskets while stalking passing lanes. Rubio could be like a European version of Rondo til his shot comes around. And if anybody watched Rubio play its not hard to tell that he is going to thrive in the up and down pace of the nba instead of the slowed down swing the ball till everybody touches it style of Europe.

Now the Wolves just need that different maker at shooting guard. OJ Mayo is somebody they should target. If they could secure Harrison Barnes or Jordan Hamilton in this draft that would be perfect. Or they could aim at getting Austin Rivers or Michael Gilchrist in 2012's draft. But there is no denying this lineup wouldn't be dangerous next year. These are my projected stats based on improvement and maturity and gaining comfortability in Rambis' offense.

2011 starting 5 projections

Rubio- 12 PPG, 8 APG, 2 SPG (20 yrs old)

Michael Beasley- 24 PPG, 7 RPG (22 yrs old)

Kevin Love- 21 PPG, 15 RPG, 3 APG (23 yrs old)

Darko- 12 PPG, 8 RPG, 3 APG, 3BPG (25 yrs old)

Now they just need a legit starting 2 guard but even if it's Wes Johnson then

Wes Johnson- 14 PPG, 5 RPG, 3 APG (23 yrd old)

And I didn't even mention Jonny Flynn who can come in and score 14 PPG off the bench.

I didn't even take into account who they are going to get with a top 5 draft pick.

How can you possibly say that as far as young developing teams go, the Wolves have a collection of talent that is extremely rare together at such a young age. Beasley and Love are studs. Rubio can be a stud. Jonny Flynn and Wes Johnson at the very worse are going to be rock solid. And Darko is the best rim protector in the league this year and has already had 3 straight 20 point games earlier this year 2 against the Lakers and Thunder.

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Kevin Love wouldn't be a 20

Kevin Love wouldn't be a 20 point guy on a great team. He wouldn't be a go-to player on a great team.

He'd be more of a key role player. This Kevin Love hype is going way too far. He's not a player you build your team around. He's a guy you add. He's not Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Howard, Dirk, Paul, Williams, Durant, etc. You don't build your franchise around Kevin Love.

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Key role players on good

Key role players on good teams work on the defensive end. This was why Beasley was always losing time to journeymen in Miami and the Heat had no interest in keeping him when they decided to build through free agency.

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And Beasley still isn't

And Beasley still isn't defending. He's just on a terrible team and getting the shots he didn't get in Miami. I guess that means he's improved on this site.

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You are a &$#%#&@! idiot my friend. Minny now = Awful. Minny in 4 yrs = Possible contender. Easy enuff. Quicey, I am sorry you had to spend a few hours of your life arguing with this boner.

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And yet you think Love is

And yet you think Love is magically going to start playing defense on a good team?

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Cmon man. Beasley is a good scorer and a below avg defender, everyone who knows about the NBA knows this. Why keep bashing him and saying he is overrated on "this site"??

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I haven't bashed him. I just

I haven't bashed him.

I just think it's funny that people are talking about him like he's improved. He's just getting more shots and minutes.

I don't see any improvement in his game though. I look at him the same way now as I did when he came out of Kansas State. A tweener who's good at scoring.

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improve

Dude he definitley has improved. You are overanylizing this situation. The guy was awful his first few yrs trying to play without the ball in his hands (and was a wack-job) and now he has the opportunity to play to his strengths and is taking full advantage. I think that not only his game has improved, but also his situation and attitude which are just as important.

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Minny in 4 yrs = Possible

Minny in 4 yrs = Possible contender

You are funny, my friend. read both teams played hard's post.

Beasely, Love both of them could careless about defense. Thats the reason why they will put up numbers on teams that are going nowhere. A team with no point guard, and no true center is going to be a contender? how may i ask? because they have 2 forwards that put up stats?

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You are clearly just trying to argue. And I am not reading btph's post cuz i don't give a **** what he or anyone else wrote. How can you say that love and beasley will still be the same on defense in 4 years?? They might just improve their defense in the next 3 offseasons, who knows. And y do u say that have no PG or true C?? If they get Rubio and he is legit and then draft Kanter, wallllla problem solved.

You are just arguing to argue

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