Wow, Love is averaging 19 and 15....I havent seen rebounding numbers like that since Rodman or Kevin Willis.
1. Should he be an Allstar ?
2. Who would you take: Love or Joakim?
Yes Love should be a definite all-star, hand down. I dont care what his teams record is, anyone who can go out on any given night and get you 20 and 20 is an allstar.
And thats a tough one, but ultimately, I think I would take Love. Love is a better scoring threat than Noah, better rebounder (which is saying ALOT), but he isnt the defensive presance.
Remember, Noah is only averaging about 8 and 8 for his career, and in close to the same amount of time, Love is averaging 13 and 10 in his career.
Love to me, would be the better option
not to mention love at least can shoot a jumper without everyone in the crowd laughing at his form haha
Love is shooting 89% from the stripe and grabbing 5 offensive rebounds per. Dang......
yeah and i think Noah is shooting 73% from the line and has 4 offensive rebounds per game. Still very good but I think Love beats him out. and the lowest amount of rebounds love has had in a game all year is 6, but he still scored 20 in that game...
Since when have the only stats that mattered been free throw percentage and offensive rebounds been the only stats mattered!
Waiting for Bothteamsplayhard rebuttal of this one..lol
I think it depends on who you have on your roster.
If you have a weak defensive center playing alongside Love, that would be the weakest frontcourt in the L, defensively.
But if you already have somebody with good heart, energy, and a good defensive big, then you gotta go with Love.
If I have Bargnani, I'm taking Noah
If I have Chandler/Dalembert, I'm taking Love.
So it's not just me who thinks BTPH just hates everything about basketball? Why does he post if he hates the NBA so much? Haha.
Yeah everything he posts is negative. someone could drop 70 on any given night and hed be like, "oh yeah great game and all, but he did have that one bad turnover with 6:41 left in the 2nd quarter that cost his team 3 points.."
You said it, bro. Pretty darn annoying.
I doubt Love makes the All Star team..Unless there's an injury replacement and David Stern has to name a sub...Coaches who name the reserves will look at the T-Wolves record..And say there are more deserving guys from winning teams like Duncan,David West & Lamar Odom..
But i said before the season Love will lead the league in rebounding....Becuz he knows where to position himself when the ball comes off the rim...and has that wide body that he uses to block out guys..
Give me Noah, yes he has a ugly jumper but its respectable, he rebounds just as well, defends better, more athletic and is 2 to 3inches taller (6'11, 7'0). A slightly above average 5 man i think is harder 2 find in this league. And when Boozer finds his rhythm it will only make Noah better. Love looks great putting up good numbers on a bad team, but Noah has a defined role on a playoff team and excels at it.
Kevin Love has to be an all star because the numbers he's putting up this year are ridiculos. I would take Joakim Noah though because as mentioned earlier he is a better defender and still he is an above average rebounder and he hustles and has devloped a respectable offense game. Kevin Love gives you huge rebounding numbers but against the elite competition the opposing player is gonna get there points. These are to really good players though.
hes also got 13 boards and 20 pts tonight at the half...just sayin :)
28 and 19 with 2 min left in 3rd quarter. but ohhh noo hes def not an all star :)
The dude is getting absolutely dirty. He has been one of the best fantasy players I have ever had so far.
I think the coaches will pick him, he deserves it in my opinion.
19.4ppg 15.3rpg 38%3PT and 89%FT
Just unreal stats, if he was on a playoff team, he'd still be a double-double machine, someone that averages those type of stats should make the allstar game regardless of the team's record.
"Waiting for Bothteamsplayhard rebuttal of this one..lol"
I'm done taking the bait on the value of players who are 41-120 for their career, and praised for their current development on a team that is 5-15. When Kevin Love converts to Islam, his name is going to be Shareef Abdur-Rahim.
"Yeah everything he posts is negative."
Not about the Lakers, Jazz, Spurs, Mavs, Celtics, Heat, Magic, Melo, Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, and all things good about the NBA. Am I down on the dregs of the league and the stat padders who don't win? Yes.
I agree with bothteamsplayedhard.
Love and Beasely are getting "hyped" for putting up numbers on an aweful team. The same reason i thought Tyreke winning the ROY was a joke, it is so easy to put up numbers on aweful teams.
I cant wait til OJ Mayo gets traded to Toronto and starting putting up 28 a game. "MAYO FINALLY PRODUCING!?!?!?!!?"
The fact we are even asking if Love should be an All Star is ridiculous the dude is averaging 15 rebounds a game!!!!!!!! Even if he didn't score one point all season he should be an All Star based on the fact he is averaging 15 rebounds and is showing not signs of slowing down because he would of probably finished with close to 25 boards last night had he played in the 4th quarter.
I haven't seen rebounding numbers like this since Rodman. Not even Howard did this. The only thing that comes close to taking a 10 minutes of Reggie Evans floor time and multiplying it by 4.
Hes still outrebounding every single player in the NBA and his rebounding rate right now is the highest we've sen in this new millenium. Scoring I will admit kinda depends on the team you on, as far as touches, and scoring opportunities, but I seriously think Kevin Love deserves all star berth for what he has done.
love should be an all star
and yes i rather have him over noah, hes simply just a better player
Love is better than Noah? Maybe at 3 point shooting, thats about it. Rebounding next to Gibson and now Boozer, on the team that lead the NBA in rebounding last year is alittle bit harder than rebounding with Beasely, Darko, and Wes Johnson.
Well, sorry to say but, hes only had to rebound next to boozer in 3 games this year. And in 2 of those games, Boozer grabbed only 2 rebounds and was out on the court for les than 25 minutes. And Taj Gibson is not gonna take away 3 rebounds a game from Noah. Sorry, Love is the better rebound and scorer and shooter. Period.
I just wanted to take this time also to point out that Michael Beasley is not a bust like I have been saying is averaging over 21 points and is still only 21 I believe. Beastley could max out at around 27 points a game by the looks of it. Not only that he is playing like a true small forward this year in the mold of Melo. If Mike didn't play alongside Love he would probably be averaging around 8 rebounds a game too. So i think Beasley will reach that 25 n 8 pace that we all thought he was capable of coming into the league.
Not only that, despite early questions about their chemistry, Love and Beasley seem like a perfect fit too playing alongside each other. Love cleans up all of Mikes misses and grabs the D boards and can throw the outlet pass to Mike at the other end for the finish. Even Darko is playing very well. If you take away his first month Darko is putting up great numbers for a center who was almost out the league and he is leading the L in blocks.
Minny is one stud SG away from becoming a threatening team. If I'm Rubio I actually want to come to Minny now. Kahn's plan actually looks like its coming together.. Imagine this starting 5 next year and my projections.
PG: Ricky Rubio- The most anticipated foreign export coming into the league possibly ever. Still only 20 years old with the proffesional experience of somebody in their late 20's. Do not be mislead by his Euro numbers because it's not hard to tell that Rubio is still one of the best pure passers in the world. When he get's in the league he will have the ball in his hands more and be able to control the tempo of the game. My Rookie year projections for him next year playing with Beasley, Love, and Wes is 11 PPG, 8 APG, and 2 SPG. Not bad for a rookie PG who will come in and immediatley be the leader of the team on the court.
SG: ???? This is the position that Minny needs to upgrade. Webster and Brewer are both good cogs, but would be better cogs on established good teams. Minny needs a stud at this position. Wes Johnson could be that guy because of his athleticism and shooting ability. With Ricky on the team all Wes would have to do his hit outside shots to space the floor for Ricky and Mike. But i'm not sure if Wes got the perimeter skills to play 2guard full time.
Potential acquisitions: Ben Gordon, OJ Mayo, Rudy Fernandez (Who Minny really wanted for Rubio), Iguadola (provides defense and would be the veteran glue guy on a young team.
Draft: Jordan Hamilton (perfect fit), Harrison Barnes (Rubio would get him easy baskets, and he's the perfect type player to come in and just mesh well with Mike and Love because him being unselfish would be an asset in this situation and Barnes would just focus on hitting jumpers, and making nice passes. Alec Burks (his versatility is similar to Corey Brewer only Burks is a pure scorer with the potential to be much more.)
SF: Mike Be Easy- Has officially become the stud scoring machine we knew he could become. Just needs to get his consitstency down but that will come with more maturity. Next year look for Mike to up his averages to 25 PPG (depending on who they get at SG) Mike's naturally position is with out a doubt small forward who can start at PF in spots.
PF: Kevin everybody Love s: Super skill with an insanse motor. Imagine how many easy baskets Rubio would get this guy. Love's numbers should improve to 21 points and 14 or 15 rebounds next year.
C: Darko- this guy has turned into the perfect center of our error. He is a defensive presence and a shot blocking force. And on offense because of his uncanny passing abilities he has turned into a great facilitator for Minny's scorers and don't get it twisted you can Iso Darko on the block and watch his school a defender. Now in a great position Darko will come back with even more confidence and I could see him averaging 12 PPG, 8 RPG, 4 APG and 3 BPG next year. Is Darko even 25 yet?
Minny's future looks bright. Honestly I still don't think Flynn, or Wes Johnson fit into it tho. And Brewer probably won't stay around.
First off what I am going to tell you right now is going to end this discussion. First off Urbanoverything go tell a farmer that and see what happens (just kiddin bud my actually artists and former graffiti name is ERBN, I'm from philly and love everything Urban neways....)
Love is getting 15 rebounds a game in only 34 minutes Noah plays close to 40. And Taj Gibson who? Beasley averaged 8 rebounds last year and Darko is a good rebounder too. Not to mention Brewer and Johnson are both great rebounders for a wing player it's just that Wes can't get rebounds playing with Love nobody can he is an animal. What did it say on Wes' scouting report who should be an instant impact rebounding if nothing his rookie year? 3 rebounds later he only got Love to blaim.
@BothTeamsPlayedHard I know you're smarter then that, but comparing Love to Rahim is just bad. Rahim was a combo forward who could never even dream of putting up 15 RPG let alone have a 31 and 31 performance...I'm sorry dude but them two guys couldn't play any more differently. Beasley would be a better comparison to Shareef then Love. That was just bad dude on every level...I almost feel like to owe us Love fans an apology.
But down to the meat and potatoes. Love is not competing with his teamates but the other teams for rebounds. So with that said Love plays in one of the hardest divisions in the league.
Let's look at Love last five games against San Antonio twice, Dallas, and then Golden State and the Cavs two bubble playoff teams. So in them five games Love had to compete against Duncan, Blair, and Splitter twice, Dirk, Hayward and Chandler on Dallas. And even Lee and Bindrins on GS. So with all that competition in a 5 games span what does Love do? Well in 40 minutes he put up 24 PPG, 19 RPG, 3 APG. If that don't drop your jaw you must be in disbelief. Read them numbers again against the competition he did it against and you can possibly say you're not impressed. Name a player in the league who can stop Love from getting his? Kahn's and Minny's roster trouble are well documented who expected them to make the playoffs this year? Their starting PG has been hurt, and they still don't have a shooting guard. If Love and Beasley were like 25 it would be a different story. But neither Love or Beasley are over 22 so these growing pains are expected and they are just scratching the surface of their potential.
And what about Love's 23 point and 24 rebound performane against Pau Gasol, Odom and the defending champion Lakers. Or Loves 31-31 performance against MVP candidate Amare Stoudemire. Or the 24 Points and 14 rebounds against Blake Griffin or the 22 and 17 he put up against ATL and Horford and Josh Smith.
Just watch the games, check the stats, do what ever. Love is the real deal and has put up 20 n 20 against the Spurs and Lakers....that says everything. The hate end here.
amen Mr. 19134.
Kevin Love is getting way too hyped up on this forum. Yes, he is having a great season and is a tremendous rebounder. But seriously, stop talking about him. He shoots 43% as a PF, which sucks. He is one of the worst defenders in the NBA if not the worst at his position. He really needs to be a third option on a good team, not a first on a terrible one. Obsess over someone else now please.
youre telling me hes a worse defender than amare? i actually laughed that one.
One of the worst defenders in the NBA, one of the worst at his position, maybe the worst.
Thats just funny. I guess when memphis wasn't winning Paul gasol just wasn't that good huh
Kobe wasn't that good when the Lakers didn't make the playoffs
When Chicago didn't make the playoffs Jordan wasn't that good.
A good player is good regardless if he's on a good team or bad team.
You think NBA teams look at a college player on a bad team and say "We 'won't draft him because his team isn't winning"
Should Al Hortford won rookie of the year over Kevin Durant?
Its not his fault that he got drafted to a sh!tty team. Actually, it means he was valuable enough come draft time that a bad lotto team needed him and drafted him high (remember drafted by grizz and swapped to min for mayo). If anything Kevin love should be applauded for what hes done, cuz hes only making himself better, he doesnt have a nash or a deron to make it easy for him.
Just read Mr 19134's last post cuz it basically says everything that needs to be said.
MR. 19134 was on point with that one and i agree but on the flip side someone could say is that different from lets say hofstra playing vs duke and one of the hoftra players dropping 30 on them or last year when a kid from south carolina dropped 32 on John wall and the kentucky wildcats. Does that mean those guys are better then say Kyrie Irving or John wall
Just playing both side's of the field here to see different responses
Saying that a Beasely/Love/Darko/Wes Johnson/Rubio nucleus is going to lead Minnesota to the promise land some day is the most laughable thing about this conversation. This team is among the worst in the league. How much better are Beasely or Love going to get? If they are THAT good, why arent they beating anybody?
"lets say hofstra playing vs duke and one of the hoftra players dropping 30 on them or last year when a kid from south carolina dropped 32 on John wall and the kentucky wildcats. Does that mean those guys are better then say Kyrie Irving or John wall"
My point exactly. Kevin Love is a good young player. However, acting like hes some messiah of rebounding isnt fair at all. Dennis Rodman won 5 rings. He helped his team win games. Ask Chris Bosh about what putting up #s while rotting awhile in the lottery does for you when you join a real team.
Well, I don't think that team has a championship caliber nucleus, but sometimes you have to just let players play together and develop. Look at Oklahoma city, they made a huge jump from Durant's 2nd year to his third without making any really major changes I believe. They just let players mature and develop together. I think this would happen with the Wolves. I don't think that nucleus would be competing for titles by any means, but I don't think they would be the worst team in the league either.
Something funny is Some said the same thing about OKC
They were one of the worst teams in the league at one point remember
The same people are saying how good the CLIPPERS can be and they are just as bad as the Wolves right now yet people are saying they will one day get better and the Wolves are actually younger then they are. Seems there is a certain type of hate going on if both team are bad both or young both have 2 very good players yet one of them has a brighter future for what reason? Blake is a freak athletically but Love is still producing at the same level scoring wise and rebounding more
I think Blake Griffin will be better than Love, yes. But, i definitely dont feel the Clippers are anywhere near a championship calibur roster. Eric Gordon is a NBA player, Aminu has some upside, and Bledsoe is okay. Thats it. Minny, to me has way too many question marks. They havent beaten a good team yet. and dont compare them to OKC. Durant and Westbrook ascended in there 2nd and 3rd years to levels we couldnt even have anticipated. Beasely and Love are in there 3rd years and this team isnt beating anyone. Not to mention they are a horrendous defensive team. HAve no depth what so ever. And to top it all off play in a division where they are going nowhere fast.
Portland, was actually winning 50 games when they had all these "potential stars" now look at them.
The Wolves team's top players are 4 years from prime years NO ONE knows what they are gonna be in there prime years so lets stop acting like we do. They are bad now which is expected, not too many teams that are the youngest in the NBA are gonna be good. Some of ya'll act like NBA teams dont start from the bottom that they are magically just good now and if they are bad theres no way they can get better. Im sure the team will make trades and sign free agents within that four years as well as letting Kevin Love and Beasley mature as players and get better
4 years from being in there primes? it takes 7 years to get to your prime? It takes Darko 12 years to get to his prime? Come on man. This team seriously sucks. They arent good. They arent ever going to be good. Not in the West. You really think Beasely is going to drop 30 a night and Love is going to be 25-20? I still dont think they would make the playoffs. Worst PGs in the NBA. No bench. Equates to being bad.
I'm not saying Blake wont be better then love but the only reason people are saying that is because Blake is more athletic and dunks more no other reason
Both put up about 20 a game
Love is the better shooter,rebounder
love is the better outlet guy
Both block the same amount of shots
Both are about the same age
Neither plays great defense
I think people see more of an excitement factor from Blake. I agree that right now they are marginally similar, but Blake, being a rookie naturally is seen as someone who can vastly improve. Whereas Love looks more like a close to finished product. Dramatic steps forward in the NBA usually happen in your first 3-4 years, not 6-8.
You also have to take into account that they suck so badly right now that they are probably going to get a really high pick in the draft, which will be very helpful. Lets say they get a top 3 pick and draft Irving(I really hope they don't), maybe that would allow them to move Rubio to a place where he'd actually play and pick up a nice player.
Picking up Beasley was a great move, and moving Love for Mayo was too, but I do question their drafting as of late. I really don't think Wesley Johnson is the answer, frankly I'm not sure he's better than Martel Webster and they are the same age. They did get Johnson first though. I'm not sure that Johnny Flynn was a great pick, but he could be a very good back up point guard I think, so I guess that was an ok pick.
What are you talking about?..You're prime years start at 25.
And like i said NO ONE knows how good a young player or team is gonna be in 4 years. That's not even debatable since no one on here including u can tell the future. you can say how bad they are gonna be in 4 years till you are blue in the face it still wont change the fact that you can't predict the future. None of us can. what we can do is know about the here and now
I think they are a classic case of a team that on paper seems like they shouldnt be too bad, but when they play against other NBA teams it not enough.
Quincey, you are right, we cant predict the future.
Right now, they are 5-15.
So seeing as we cant see into the future, i feel safe with my assessment that they suck.
I like the picks as far as long term. They are either gonna be good players, good back ups, or good trade chips after watching them play so far. This was a three year plan according to the team and this is year one
What are you talking about?..You're prime years start at 25. ( Depends on PT and when you come into the NBA)
I would take Love over Noah.
Jonny Flynn is brutal.
Other than him, i agree. Wes Johnson is okay, Rubio is a valuable trade piece, and they ended up with 2 top 5 guys from the 08 draft that was very good.
I just dont think its enough in the western conference.