Kawhi Leonard or Jimmy Butler Top 10?

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Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 5:22pm #61598

OhCanada-
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This is sort of an extensive of the Kawhi Leonard thread yet I wanted to make a separate thread for a targeted awnser.
In the other Kawhi Leonard thread the basicprinciples of the debate were asking whether or not Leonard was a top 10 player, if his offense was good enough to be in that category, or if his offence is simply being restrained due to the Spurs system. I think that statement is silly for this upcoming year.
If Kawhi is a better offensive player than Aldridge he will get more touches plain and simple but he is not. He is however a better defender and a great offensive weapon when considering his defensive skills. Yet if we rank him ahead of Aldridge for his ability to play on both ends than where do we rank Butler who has proven to be an effective two way player as well.
So the questions are.
Is Kawhi Leonard a Top 10 player and does he rank higher than Aldridge.
Is Jimmy Butler a Top 10 player and does he rank higher than Aldrdge.
Who is better Kawhi or Jimmy.

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Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 5:59pm #1017650

canadabasketballisrising
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IMO; No, but he’s a top 15 (11-13). No, but he is very close, and no one really knows until the season.
No, and no.
Kawhi.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 5:59pm #1017513

canadabasketballisrising
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IMO; No, but he’s a top 15 (11-13). No, but he is very close, and no one really knows until the season.
No, and no.
Kawhi.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 6:02pm #1017652

DrivingDownTheStreetinmy64
Both guys r in the 20 to 25 range amongst players!! Not top ten!!! I have a list of the top one hundred players in my mine I might unveil it later
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Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 6:02pm #1017515

DrivingDownTheStreetinmy64
Both guys r in the 20 to 25 range amongst players!! Not top ten!!! I have a list of the top one hundred players in my mine I might unveil it later
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Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 6:33pm #1017656

kobyz
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As for Kawhi no! First should not get outplay by Matt Barnes in pivotal games 6 and 7 of a series…
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Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 6:33pm #1017519

kobyz
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As for Kawhi no! First should not get outplay by Matt Barnes in pivotal games 6 and 7 of a series…
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- Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 6:53pm #1017664
  
  SkalAndJamal
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  He outplayed LeBron in the playoff series before though. It’s just how the world goes round I guess.
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- Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 6:53pm #1017527
  
  SkalAndJamal
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  He outplayed LeBron in the playoff series before though. It’s just how the world goes round I guess.
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  - Posted on: Sun, 10/11/2015 - 12:00am #1017694
    
    sitlbito
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    He didn’t outplay LeBron. San Antonio outplaye Miami and that’s all that matters to me,I wish we talked more about teams than players. LeBron was averaging like 26 points on 56% shooting. That wasn’t the reason why Miami lost,but rather every Heat role players were terrible in these Finals.
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  - Posted on: Sun, 10/11/2015 - 12:00am #1017557
    
    sitlbito
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    He didn’t outplay LeBron. San Antonio outplaye Miami and that’s all that matters to me,I wish we talked more about teams than players. LeBron was averaging like 26 points on 56% shooting. That wasn’t the reason why Miami lost,but rather every Heat role players were terrible in these Finals.
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    - Posted on: Sun, 10/11/2015 - 1:25am #1017700
      
      SkalAndJamal
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      You do have a point, I have made a mistake.
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    - Posted on: Sun, 10/11/2015 - 1:25am #1017563
      
      SkalAndJamal
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      You do have a point, I have made a mistake.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 7:02pm #1017666

SkalAndJamal
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Yes and yes for Kawhi.
Wall, Blake, Kawhi, CP3, Gasol, Westbrook, Durabt, LeBron, Curry, Davis, Harden all forsure are ranked higher than Butler. LaMarcus quit on his team last post season, sooooooooo until proven otherwise, he ain’t a top 10 player.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 7:02pm #1017529

SkalAndJamal
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Yes and yes for Kawhi.
Wall, Blake, Kawhi, CP3, Gasol, Westbrook, Durabt, LeBron, Curry, Davis, Harden all forsure are ranked higher than Butler. LaMarcus quit on his team last post season, sooooooooo until proven otherwise, he ain’t a top 10 player.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 9:20pm #1017684

For_Never_Ever
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I would say yes for Kawhi because he is an elite defender with size and length. Also offensively he is really underratted he will surprise me with a fancy spin move, footwork, and makes tough shots. He is more advanced than given credit for perhaps becuase his quiet nature on the court and personality.
I haven’t done a players ranking, but he isn’t ahead of LA. I have him ahead of Butler though. But thats just me. I wouldn’t hate on anyone for picking Bulter over Kawhi. I won’t know who is better between the two until a year or two from now for me to be sure.

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Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 9:20pm #1017547

For_Never_Ever
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I would say yes for Kawhi because he is an elite defender with size and length. Also offensively he is really underratted he will surprise me with a fancy spin move, footwork, and makes tough shots. He is more advanced than given credit for perhaps becuase his quiet nature on the court and personality.
I haven’t done a players ranking, but he isn’t ahead of LA. I have him ahead of Butler though. But thats just me. I wouldn’t hate on anyone for picking Bulter over Kawhi. I won’t know who is better between the two until a year or two from now for me to be sure.

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- Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 9:37pm #1017686
  
  For_Never_Ever
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  I haven’t ever done a top ten list really. If Kwahi isn’t just in the tail end of it he would at least almost cracks it.
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- Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 9:37pm #1017549
  
  For_Never_Ever
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  I haven’t ever done a top ten list really. If Kwahi isn’t just in the tail end of it he would at least almost cracks it.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 10:53pm #1017688

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Butler wins. Plays good D, great offense, can create.
Kawhi is the better defender, but because he is in the Spurs system, he isn’t featured so his offense is a bit behind.
On potential, Kawhi has Butler covered.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/10/2015 - 10:53pm #1017551

trelos6
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Butler wins. Plays good D, great offense, can create.
Kawhi is the better defender, but because he is in the Spurs system, he isn’t featured so his offense is a bit behind.
On potential, Kawhi has Butler covered.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/11/2015 - 5:29am #1017708

Robb_C
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Butler, hes slowly becoming the guy on a Title contender… Kawhi has Popovich and that has helped his game ten fold
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Posted on: Sun, 10/11/2015 - 5:29am #1017571

Robb_C
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Butler, hes slowly becoming the guy on a Title contender… Kawhi has Popovich and that has helped his game ten fold
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Posted on: Sun, 10/11/2015 - 3:47pm #1017620

PulseGlazer
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Kawhi is better for now. They both do very similar things, but Kawhi is bigger and stronger, more athletic, more experienced, and more efficient. That isn’t to take away from just how good Butler is, but Kawhi is just more.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/11/2015 - 3:47pm #1017758

PulseGlazer
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Kawhi is better for now. They both do very similar things, but Kawhi is bigger and stronger, more athletic, more experienced, and more efficient. That isn’t to take away from just how good Butler is, but Kawhi is just more.
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Posted on: Sun, 10/11/2015 - 5:44pm #1017637

Heroescantdie
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I’ll go with butler on this, primarily because Bulter is a proven go to scorer and defensive venom, while Khawi though defensive venom also, but the spurs system would not show his real offensive firepower
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Posted on: Sun, 10/11/2015 - 5:44pm #1017774

Heroescantdie
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I’ll go with butler on this, primarily because Bulter is a proven go to scorer and defensive venom, while Khawi though defensive venom also, but the spurs system would not show his real offensive firepower
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Posted on: Tue, 10/13/2015 - 3:56am #1017923

Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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Neither are top 10 overall right now imo but both could be by the time the season’s over. They are both probably somewhere in that 15-20 range.
Butler has the slightly more advanced offensive game right now as he is a better ball handler and passer while I’d give kawhi the slight edge defensively. Kawhi is also bigger and a better rebounder. If I had to choose one I’d go with Leonard but its very close.

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Posted on: Tue, 10/13/2015 - 3:56am #1017785

Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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Neither are top 10 overall right now imo but both could be by the time the season’s over. They are both probably somewhere in that 15-20 range.
Butler has the slightly more advanced offensive game right now as he is a better ball handler and passer while I’d give kawhi the slight edge defensively. Kawhi is also bigger and a better rebounder. If I had to choose one I’d go with Leonard but its very close.

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