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Kanas drops another one

OMGZ!!! I guess they suck too?


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No, Colorado just played well

No, Colorado just played well - and they're a good team. And Kansas played poorly. Still a solid team, they wont win the national title but they'll go like 25-6 and be a 2 or 3 seed

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I wouldn't be surprised one

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Kansas wins it all. Not saying I'm calling it. Heck, it's only December. Things change. But I wouldn't be shocked to pick Kansas to win it all, come February or March, and have them win 6 in a row in The Tourney to cut down the nets.

Keep in mind that Kansas has the youngest starting lineup in college basketball alongside Kentucky (4 freshmen and 1 sophomore now that Frank Mason is starting over Tharpe).

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btw who the hell is Kanas?

btw who the hell is Kanas?

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it will be interesting to see

it will be interesting to see if Colorado is ranked ahead of Kansas this upcoming week. Colorado has the better resume and won heads up, but voters love pre-season guessing polls based on hype so we will see.

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Where they play matters.

Where they play matters. Colorado was actually favored because they were at home. Kansas didn't play all that bad, they just lost a road game to a good team.

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I checked vegasinsider.com

I checked vegasinsider.com and they have multiple sources for betting lines and none of them had Colorado favored. Of course where the game happens matters, but if you are top 10 and you play an unranked team, you should win, Fact is Kansas might very well win a rematch regardless of location and prove to be the better team long term. But as of now, there is zero support to rank Kansas(6-2) ahead of Colorado(9-1) this coming Monday. But people will go by #6 team cant possibly fall that far based on a tough loss on the road thus they will remain ranked ahead of the buffaloes because people do not want to take the time to look at the overall resume this early.

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glad it took you 2 seconds. I

glad it took you 2 seconds. I have personally checked over a dozen betting lines and every one of them had Kansas as the favorite. You stating Colorado was favored as some fact because you can search for a few sites who go against the grain proves nothing. Also Kansas was lucky to go on a run late to even be in a postion to go to overtime. You seem to know Kansas wins though no matter what on a neautral ground like its obvious, good for you.

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It did. All I did was type

It did. All I did was type "Kansas Colorado odds" and those were the first few entries on the first page.

Home court advantage is real. Neutral court I'd take Kansas without thinking twice.

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Bovada had Kansas -2. Bovada

Bovada had Kansas -2. Bovada is the #1 betting site in the U.S.

http://sports.bovada.lv/sports-betting/college-basketball-lines.jsp

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We rarely lose at home under

We rarely lose at home under Tad (something like 7 losses in the last 4 seasons). I don't know about the favored part (we were favored by 1 site from what I can tell)but I think when we put it all together we can beat pretty much anyone in the nation but we are young and inconsistent at times. We were actually missing a very key player down low (especially defensively) and we were uncharicteristically bad at the Free Throw line, this game probably wouldn't have been as close if we had Wesley Gordon playing.

We were in the Top 15 on many preseason lists before Roberson left and then we just disappeared out of it overall and then shot poorly against Baylor (who clearly is a pretty good team).

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Kansas' problem in my

Kansas' problem in my opinion, is they have a lot of NBA guys running an extremely college system.

I like Bill Self, I really do. But he tried to build a Calipari team without changing anything.

Look at Coach K. Got Paulus, Scheyer, Singler, and Lance Thomas starting? Its ball movement, drive and kick, screening, cutting, etc. Got Jabari Parker or Kyrie Irving? He changes things to maxmize their talents.

And bigger than the fact the system isn't great for the team, I'm not sure its the best combination of players.

The talent is there without question. I'm just not sure how it all fits. I would bet on Kentucky improving more than them but who knows.

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My biggest criticism is that

My biggest criticism is that they lack team identity, at this point. Bill Self is notorious for scrambling lineups early in the year until he finds one he likes. This normally isn't a big deal, but I think without a lot of experience, or guys player similar roles as they did last year, this KU team has yet to find their identity...That and they are a poor 3 point shooting teams, and as a result, teams have thrown zones at them to neutralize Embiid and Ellis on the block.

His motion system isn't all that different from a triangle, to be honest...Especially since he likes combo guards and rarely has pure point guards. He gets the high-low post game going and swings the ball around the perimeter getting his guards jumpers and driving opportunities. The Spurs run a similar motion scheme and it's not a really far cry Pop's motion or the triangle. It's not like he's running the Princeton offense or anything strictly collegiate.

Who is the guy to iso when you need a bucket in the pinch? Who is their leader? Who is their 7th or 8th man? I don't think Kansas can answer, with certainty, any of these questions...and until they do I think that is what will be the difference of them being a 4 or 5 seed or a 1 or 2 seed in March.

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All the ranked teams are a

All the ranked teams are a work in progress. Too early to dismiss anyone. Colorado arent slouches.

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Even though they lost the

Even though they lost the game..I felt Wiggins played his best college game so far..Maybe this game will be the start of him becoming the player everyone expected him to be.....He was attacking the basket,getting to the foul line and active on both ends..

Embiid played good the 1st half,but looked lost in the 2nd half and i dont think he attempted a shot in the 2nd half........

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Yeah I really liked the

Yeah I really liked the agressiveness from Wiggins in this game when Kansas started struggling, showing signs of becoming the player he should be

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Kansas is a team that lost 75

Kansas is a team that lost 75 percent of its minutes and 80 percent of its points from last year. They gave themselves a really difficult early season schedule, and due to the expectations are going to seem weaker than they should. Duke, Wake, Villanova, UTEP, Colorado, Florida, New Mexico, Georgetown, Toledo (an 8-0 team), and San Diego State is a brutal early slate for a team that hasn't played together. I don't think they get through the next five games without another two losses. Add in a solid Big XII with OK State, OU, Iowa State, Texas, and the soon to be disappointing Baylor (if history means anything...), Kansas can go into the tournament with 8-10 losses and still not be a bad team. As talented as Wiggins is and even if I assume they will handle their home slate, winning @ OU, @ Iowa State (on a Monday night after a Saturday game), an @ Texas/Baylor double trip, the rivalry game @ K-State, @ Ok State, and closing across the country @ WVU is a tough task. They are not facing teams that will allow them to just out-talent them while the Jayhawks figure things out, and their record is going to reflect it.

Indiana, Louisville, and Kentucky did not load up like this, and can actually sit in a similar spot in terms of team development while still carrying a Top 25-worthy record into their respective conference seasons.

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