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Just an Observation...

Of course Evan Turner is playing better as of late and really playing better this year. 14 points, 1 steal, 4.5 assists, and 7 rebounds,but the most astounding fact is he's shooting 41% from three. I thought that was sweet, the guy who can't shoot, and who especially couldn't shoot threes is shooting 41%.


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Now imagine a healthy Andrew

Now imagine a healthy Andrew Bynum in the paint to draw double teams and leave players like Turner with more open shots.

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Him actually ever really

Him actually ever really being healthy is highly unlikely. He is one of the bigs that will always have knees or ankles issues.

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Evan Turner always seems to take tough shots in my opinion. He'd prolly have an even better % if hed take some open stop up shots but it seems like he forces some up there... am I completely off base here?

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Evan does his best scoring

Evan does his best scoring b/t 3-15 ft because he's a slasher who struggles finishing and getting all the way to the cup.
The 41% from 3 is deceptive because it's on low volume. He still makes less than 1 a game.
Overall, he still has a sub 50% TS, which is pretty bad (avg TS for a starting SF is around 55%).

He's still a very mediocre offensive player. The only difference from this yr and last yr is an increase in minutes. Otherwise, the uptick in his low volume shooting %s resulted in an increase of 1 pt a game.

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I disagree, Evan Turner is

I disagree, Evan Turner is far from a mediocre offensive player as he's one of the most talented swingmen in the league with the ball in his hands. Turner's problem is the Sixers run a very slow and boring offense and Turner doesn't control the ball as much as he should. While he may have average offensive shooting statistics, Turner's offensive game in itself is very advanced. He can control the tempo of the game, he can run the PnR, he can post up, and he finally looks comfortable curling off screens.

I also never really saw Turner struggle getting all the way to the rim, tho he does struggle to finish sometimes I feel like it's because he goes up to soft at times. Last year in the playoffs when he was playing aggressive and with an edge he was very tough to stop late in games when he was determined to get the bucket which brings me to my next point, Evan Turner is an absolutely clutch player. He get's most of his production in close games and at the end of them as if he just coastes thru the first 40 minutes.

Also while he doesn't shoot a ton of 3 pointers he still shoots enough to make his % respectable, in the last 4 games he's gone 7-13 from 3 and has gotten exactly 7 assists in each of them games.

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Doesn't matter how you try to

Doesn't matter how you try to excuse it. < 50% TS is really bad.
A different offense won't make him a better mid-range jump shooter. He shoots 35% from mid-range, where he takes the majority of his shots. A different offense won't make him finish better at the rim. He does not have the quickness to get all the way to the cup, and when he does get there he doesn't have the athleticism to finish at even a league average rate, nor does he have the length to make up for his lack of athleticism.
His lack of athleticism and length will always limit his potential as a slasher. So unless he becomes a knockdown pull up shooter, his overall potential as a scorer will be limited as well. I think the best way for Evan to unlock some scoring potential is to improve his off the ball game, but Collins tried that and Evan didn't respond well. He only knows how to play with the ball in his hands, but he's not good enough to play with the ball as much as he wants to.

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So his stats went from

So his stats went from signifying an average offense player to signifying a really bad one?

I'd like to see these stats because I don't believe them. The only think I read that you wrote from watching Turner play these last few years is his lack of length does limit him when he goes against longer players. Turner isn't an elite athlete but he's better then an average athlete overall. He's deceptively quick and has great body control.

And to say Turner isn't good enough with the ball to have it more simply isn't true, Turner is good enough with the ball to play PG full time, he makes sound descicions and facilitates the offense nicely.

And I don't think theres anything wrong with Turner's mid range game or shooting besides consistency. And a different offense would make him a better scorer because Turner is a rhythm scorer and shooter and it's impossible to get any rhythm in the Sixers offense. Almost everybody who leaves the Sixers averages more points. Look at how Iggy's scoring numbers plummetted when Collins took over, Iggy went from a potential 20ppg scorer to averaging 12 last year under Collins. Iggy also made the All Star team for the first time so it's not like he didn't become a better player he just averaged less points.

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He was never an average

He was never an average offensive player.
Here are the stats all sorted for you:

Avg stats for starting swingmen (or >30 minutes a game):
http://www.hoopdata.com/scoringstats.aspx?team=%&type=pm&posi=S&yr=2013&...
Sorted for shot locations:
http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%&type=pm&posi=S&yr=2013&gp2...

Avg stats for starting SF:
http://www.hoopdata.com/scoringstats.aspx?team=%&type=pm&posi=SF&yr=2013...
Sorted for shot locations:
http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%&type=pm&posi=SF&yr=2013&gp...

Turner's stats:
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Evan+Turner

Below average TS, at the rim, mid-range. Average from 3-15

And I disagree that he's an average athlete. He has good ball skills so that can mask his lack of athleticism as he has good change of direction with the ball. But he's not quick, nor fast and he's not a good leaper.

Any team that will let him have the ball as much as he wants will be mediocre IMO. He's just not that dynamic of a player because of his limited shooting ability and athleticism. He simply has no physical advantages over his matchup, whether he's at SG or SF. The NBA is a quick strike league. Turner is not a quick strike player since he lacks quickness and because he dribbles so much to get to where he needs to go on the floor. For a slasher that is a bad combination. If he was more than a slasher offensively, I'd be more optimistic about his prospects, but for whatever reason, he's resistant to improving his off-the-ball game.

If you don't think there's anything wrong with 35% from mid-range then I don't know what to say.

Iggy's numbers plummeted because he's not a good scorer to begin with. He just happened to have a higher usage rate previously. Look at him now with Denver. Is that George Karl's fault?

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Nope, he still kind of has

Nope, he still kind of has that Austin Rivers problem where he doesn't know how to score against the second line of the defense or he isn't strong enough to finish with the contact.

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That's not true, Turner's

That's not true, Turner's biggest problem is adding an unecessary layer of complexity to his game. He got so many moves he'll often make one too many and result in it getting blocked or missing. He's also needs to dunk more because too often he goes up for a smooth layup when he has the athleticism to just finish with a one handed flush.

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So pretty much you said he

So pretty much you said he doesn't know how to attack the second line of defense. lol

He has too many moves, so he can't score at the rim, still means he doesn't know hot to attack the second line of defense. He also doesn't have the requisite athleticism to just dunk when he's at the rim.

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No he attacks the 2nd line of

No he attacks the 2nd line of defense fine and per ESPN Turner was one of the better finishing guards in the league last year at the rim. Turner is extremely crafty especially when he's near the hoop, his problem is trying to do too much was what I was trying to say.

And Turner has more then enough athleticism to finish at the rim, I'm not talking about throwing down Lebron or Iggy type of dunks, I'm talking about just simply going up and dunking. I say this because I saw him in more then a few games miss shots at the rim, then later instead of just laying it up or trying to kiss it off the glass he'd rise for a throw down seemingly mad he missed the easy shots before.

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I agree, his per 36 minute

I agree, his per 36 minute stats last year is what he's putting up this year, this production is not a surprise, it was expected. 41% from 3 point land is impressive.

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He reminds me of Bruce Bowen

He reminds me of Bruce Bowen shooting 3's. In the beginning of his career he could never really hit them so he didn't take many but as his confidence improved and the players around him he started making over one a game. The thing that really reminds me of Bowen is that he shoots at least 80% of his 3s from the corners.

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Turner said that he stopped

Turner said that he stopped practicing 3's and that's when he started hitting them more. He's really gotten more confident going 4-7 in his last game which is a career high in both makes and attempts. He takes smarts 3's mostly kickouts from the corner but late in games he also takes pull up 3's from the top of the arc which are starting to fall at a good rate. Once they start falling regularly his whole game is going to open up ever more.

Turner's numbers are pretty expected but what isn't being taken into consideration is that Collins still isn't using Turner right because of Holiday's emergence. Turner is still most effective with the ball in his hands but the Sixers have one of the slowest plodding offensives in the NBA and play almost like a college team on offense where they are constantly swinging the ball on the perimeter. If the Sixers increased their tempo and let Turner handle the ball more his numbers would go up.

For instance because Holiday is having major turnover issues in the last 4 games Turner has gotten to control the ball more and he's gotten exactly 7 assists in each of the last 4 games. Him and Holiday's assists numbers are especially impressive this season because the Sixers are a jump shooting team that isn't shooting well this season. They also don't have anybody besides Thad Young who is a great finisher.

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