Julius Randle to enter Draft (Official)
a year in college will only solidify the scout's perception of him: an under the rim player who uses brute strength to overpower lesser opponents.
Under the rim player? He is not as identical to Z-Bo as many think he is.
he didnt compare him to Z-bo.
fact is, Randle does play below the rim. he's a good athlete, he just doesnt have much hops. he can move laterally and get down the court great, but he doesnt have much bounce off the ground.
Could you please list a few guys of his caliber athletically in the league that are considered under the rim guys?
you seem to have a misunderstanding of Randle's athletcism.
he can move laterally, run the court well, quick 1st step, and great body control
BUT he doesnt have much hops. especially on a stand still. he plays below the rim..
With this being said could you breakdown the similarities and differences between he and Terrence Jones?
Just inquiring because it seems that you have him figured out. Would like to see your overall views on him stacking up with a former UK prospect, who is the same size and played the same position.
havnt watched enough of T. Jones dating back to his college days so i cant speak on him.
I can respect that.
T Jones had a massive wingspan and a 8'11" standing reach, which rendered him a much better shot blocker and NBA length. Jones was always a better face up shooter from mid-range. He had a lot going for him as far as NBA skill. It's not that surprising he's doing well.
Randle had the superior post game, end to end speed and ball handling. His motor on the glass is also to notch. He does sport an "average" wingspan, and an inconsistent jumper, but although his bully ball in the NBA won't be as effective, he did seem to have a nice understanding ( especially late in the year) that he didn't have to force the issue if he wasn't getting the best looks.
Not that similar IMO, but I think both will enjoy a nice level of success in the pros.
When Jones arrived at UK, he did not have the build he has now but let me tell you he could get up there and play vritually 4 spots. in his second year, he was anticipated to have a breakout year, added the mass needed to dominate he just couldn't put it all together. he can play above the rim, handle the rock and even rebound in the nba ( see his numbers with Dwight )
''Jones can play above the rim, handle the rock and even rebound in the nba. Randle had the superior post game, end to end speed and ball handling. His motor on the glass is also top notch." - Cha/JoeWolf1
Now with both of these assessments combined why is it you view Randle a below the rim guy?
Randle is considered the better player athletically and most importantly overall.
never mentioned his name but I do see a slight resemblance: face up game. quick feet, strong upper body and the ability to finish. Randle does play under the rim, he takes the contact and finishes with an unorthodox yet effective angle the way only he can. In the first few weeks, he got away with it by vritually bullying on his way to the rim but even the college game caught up with him and his numbers dropped; can't say he'll be better in the NBA if he doesn't mix things up against stronger, longer and quicker guys.
He was the most NBA ready of all the Kentcky guys who came in. He's not an elite athlete and won't be over to bully guys in the league like in college, but he's skilled enough to make an impact somewhere. Randle had nothing left to prove in college and I knew he was gone.
I wonder if people forgot how athletic Randle really is
I have a feeling that he'll do significantly better in the NBA than in college. He will have all the time in the world, and professional resources enough to get stronger and shoot better by virtue of being so young (he's not even 20 yet). By the time he reaches his prime in the league, he wil still be bullying people around the rim like he did in HS and college. To this end, I will say that if my Sixers happen to be unlucky enough to fall down to 4 or 5, and the "Big 3" are all taken, I will be more than satisfied if they take Randle to complement Noel and Thad down low. With either Stauskas, Harris, James Young, or Warren to complement MCW in the back, this will still be a very successful draft for the Sixers. They're literally in a no-lose situation this summer.
You're right, if the Sixers "lose out" and end up with Randle and any of the other guys you mentioned I will be pretty happy anyhow. I could see Randle being a 16-18 & 8-10 guy for a long time, very little chance he falls short of 16 & 8 during his prime.
Absolutely. And I'll even go out on a limb and say that if he ever develops a good jumper, he might even get us 21 and 11 in his prime....just like C-Webb, in his prime. Goodness ! Thinking how good and devastating this team will be in 2 or 3 years, with the core that they're gonna get this summer just gives me the heebee jeebees.
am I missing out on the joke? Under the rim athlete? Not an elite athlete?
Elite length: No
Elite athlete: Yes
I would rank him 1 tier below the "freakish" elite athletes.
He doesn't have ideal NBA Power Forward length. He's not quite skilled enough to be an elite 3 in the NBA. However, he's 250lbs, has a good motor, and is very explosive. If he's able to develop an outside game he'll be a 2nd or 3rd tier star with some NBA all star games under his belt. He wouldn't be consider for the first round if he wasn't a stud athlete.
this was before college and coming off a foot injury... he's in better shape now and a tad lighter on his feet.
okay? nobody said he's not a good athlete. He's not an 'elite' athlete.
actually watch him play and not off those vids and you'll actually know.
nothing worse than someone who bases their analysis off highlight vids.
that video shows he's better then a good athlete. I watched most of his games this season and he not only can jump, he moves great laterally and he's also very fast. Not sure what else you want from an elite athlete.. especially since he's 250lbs which should factor in to the athlete equation. How many times did you see him play?
He was also one of UK's best on ball defenders this season... he hunkered down many times and stopped PGs and 2Gs from driving in after switches. He's getting ready to be drafted in the top 5 in the NBA draft... think about that.. he's not highly skilled yet.. wonder what they are basing that off of? guess?
What they are saying is compared to most 250 pound plus NBA players he is an extremely talented athlete. Obviously he is not Lebron James athletically but not many are. In the games I watched Kentucky play he rarely displayed his athletisism as far as a verticle leap goes but Ive only watched 9 or 10 Kentucky games this year. He maybe like Zeller awesome running vert but not the best standing vert. Remains to be seen.
Athletically other than Lebron I cant think of any 250 pound players that run the floor more coordinated and quicker than Randle.
Randle is a very good athlete and very coordinated for his size, but his run/jump athleticism doesn't always show on the court. He likes to finish through guys, generally below the rim, so his leaping ability only occasionaly is showcased in the half-court. His strength/touch is what makes him a good finisher, not his ability to dunk in an open gym. And on defense, he really inconsistently shows the quickness he appears to have on offense. He will look like a big-time athlete one possession, but then be a step slow on several others.
I don't get why the Z-Bo comparison is looked at by some as a negative comparison. Randle may be springier, but Z-Bo is larger, so it evens out. Of course Randle is more athletic than Z-Bo is right now, but he is not yet nearly as skilled. He may or may not develop to become as good as Z-Bo, although his play style is extremely similar.
I know right now he is presumed in the 4-6 range, but has anyone really considered the fact he may in fact go Top 3 to supplant Wiggins or Embiid from the Top 3?
I have not ruled this out at all. Just wondering has anyone else given thought to this?
A major factor will be Embids backlk and perhaps who is picking to a lesser extent. Randles face up 4 potentional is pretty immense in my opinion. Fair bet to say the rebounding will translate due to his quick feet and strength potential. as a face up 4 most would probably sage off of him and eventually (with some release point doctoring) that shot should be more than reliable, probably out to 3 at some stage. What makes him unique is that he should have the foot speed ans ball handling ability to drive past slower 4s.
Even if he doesnt crack the top 3 though he may be the best consolation prize in years.