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    Stew
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     Julius Randle is having a good Sophomore year, almost averaging a double. Plays with alot of energy, effort, and intensity. Some feel he can improve on defense and that’s a fair assement, but regarding his celling how great do you think he can be. 

    Some say Charles Barkely, I personally feel he can be Chris Webber, that’s who he reminds me of. 

    5x NBA All Star 

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  • #1033230
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    Hype Machine

     Haha I needed a bit of a laugh this morning.

    At least 10x NBA first team. 

     

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     Haha I needed a bit of a laugh this morning.

    At least 10x NBA first team. 

     

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  • #1033232
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     I don’t like his game much at all. Long term I don’t see him as a starter.  Skill-wise he really hasn’t improved much since his junior year in HS.  He’s still a super left-handed, bully ball driver with a broke jumper.  I also don’t see a smart player. Has poor awareness on D, forces the issue a ton on offense, driving into brick walls, putting up bad shots in traffic.  His effort level fluctuates.  He doesn’t play with consistent energy, rather he plays in bursts. He doesn’t even work hard for position, which even in back in HS he didn’t do despite having such a power/leverage advantage.  I wonder if conditioning is still an issue with him bc he seems to tire easily, which was the case at UK too.  His length for his postion is poor which limits his ability to contest shots well and makes him a below the rim player. He doesn’t make up for his lack of length with leaping ability either.

    I literally see nothing he has in common with Chris Webber so I don’t know where that came from.

    In any case, I don’t think his presence should prevent the Lakers from drafting anyone.

     

     

     

     

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    • #1033256
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      123BballMaster
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       Wow. This is 100% accurate!!!

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      123BballMaster
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       Wow. This is 100% accurate!!!

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    • #1033262
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       I don’t like this assessment at all. He does play bully ball for sure, but his effort is pretty consistent. He’s been getting 10 rebounds in about 23 minutes a game, almost without fail. The quality of defense is the only thing he fluctuates on. Most of the time it’s about average. Last game, he started guarding Will Barton, who had 24 points on the 1st half and Randle started to shut him down on the perimeter (Kobe took from there… surprisingly). I actually think Roy Hibbert is a problem on defense, he’s so slow that he can’t get to anybody.

      Randle is no longer featured on offense. I think Scott wants him to focus on defense and rebounding and to get going on offense if he starts feeling it. There are a couple teams who stifle him, but he’s getting better at using counter moves and passing out of triple teams. His jumper isn’t tragic and looks like it’ll eventually fall. It’s his 1st year playing, he’s doing pretty well. He’s not a future HOFer like Weber or Barkley, but could be an all-star some day. 

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    • #1033397
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       I don’t like this assessment at all. He does play bully ball for sure, but his effort is pretty consistent. He’s been getting 10 rebounds in about 23 minutes a game, almost without fail. The quality of defense is the only thing he fluctuates on. Most of the time it’s about average. Last game, he started guarding Will Barton, who had 24 points on the 1st half and Randle started to shut him down on the perimeter (Kobe took from there… surprisingly). I actually think Roy Hibbert is a problem on defense, he’s so slow that he can’t get to anybody.

      Randle is no longer featured on offense. I think Scott wants him to focus on defense and rebounding and to get going on offense if he starts feeling it. There are a couple teams who stifle him, but he’s getting better at using counter moves and passing out of triple teams. His jumper isn’t tragic and looks like it’ll eventually fall. It’s his 1st year playing, he’s doing pretty well. He’s not a future HOFer like Weber or Barkley, but could be an all-star some day. 

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  • #1033367
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     I don’t like his game much at all. Long term I don’t see him as a starter.  Skill-wise he really hasn’t improved much since his junior year in HS.  He’s still a super left-handed, bully ball driver with a broke jumper.  I also don’t see a smart player. Has poor awareness on D, forces the issue a ton on offense, driving into brick walls, putting up bad shots in traffic.  His effort level fluctuates.  He doesn’t play with consistent energy, rather he plays in bursts. He doesn’t even work hard for position, which even in back in HS he didn’t do despite having such a power/leverage advantage.  I wonder if conditioning is still an issue with him bc he seems to tire easily, which was the case at UK too.  His length for his postion is poor which limits his ability to contest shots well and makes him a below the rim player. He doesn’t make up for his lack of length with leaping ability either.

    I literally see nothing he has in common with Chris Webber so I don’t know where that came from.

    In any case, I don’t think his presence should prevent the Lakers from drafting anyone.

     

     

     

     

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  • #1033254
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    LazarusMunoz
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     I really don’t think the OP has watched the lakers or Julius randle at all this year… Besides rebounding Randle has struggled a lot this yr… He hasn’t shown he’s a starter,let alone an all star…

    his is mid range shot is non exsisntent at this point. Most of his point come on isolation where he bullies his way to the basket,or in transistion… What’s even more disturbing is his defensive awareness… He looks lost and out of posistion a lot.

    he has said the right things in the media regarding his demotion to the bench and he seems willing to put in the work to improve his game…. I just really don’t think he’ll end up a an all star level player

     

     

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    • #1033264
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       I’ve watched every game this year and think he’s doing fine.  Not a HOF’er, maybe an all-star one day.  Remember this is really his rookie season, and his stats compare very well with KP, for example, though KP is the much better defender and shooter with a much higher ceiling – duly noted.

      What I like about Julius is his energy.  He’s fairly relentless on the boards (last night a perfect example where he didn’t give up on the play by rebounding his own misses again and again until he put it in — Moses like!).  His jump shot is not accurate at this point, but I don’t seen any significant flaws in his mechanics (a good comp is Karl Malone and Blake Griffin who both developed consistent corner of the key jumpers over time).  Mastering that shot will free him up for his bully drives and spin moves.  He seems like a hard worker, and I imagine with good coaching (not Byron) he will develop his right hand and a series of counter moves.  This is almost always the case for talented, but one-dimensional rookies who have made their living up until reaching the NBA by using their physcial advantages over smaller and weaker opponents (btw, he is one strong mother verified by none other than MWP).

      I see Julius as 15-18 ppg with 10-12 rpg ultimately.  A solid guy on any team, and a good, not great player to help build around.  I’m glad he’s on my Lakers.

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    • #1033399
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      daggers818
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       I’ve watched every game this year and think he’s doing fine.  Not a HOF’er, maybe an all-star one day.  Remember this is really his rookie season, and his stats compare very well with KP, for example, though KP is the much better defender and shooter with a much higher ceiling – duly noted.

      What I like about Julius is his energy.  He’s fairly relentless on the boards (last night a perfect example where he didn’t give up on the play by rebounding his own misses again and again until he put it in — Moses like!).  His jump shot is not accurate at this point, but I don’t seen any significant flaws in his mechanics (a good comp is Karl Malone and Blake Griffin who both developed consistent corner of the key jumpers over time).  Mastering that shot will free him up for his bully drives and spin moves.  He seems like a hard worker, and I imagine with good coaching (not Byron) he will develop his right hand and a series of counter moves.  This is almost always the case for talented, but one-dimensional rookies who have made their living up until reaching the NBA by using their physcial advantages over smaller and weaker opponents (btw, he is one strong mother verified by none other than MWP).

      I see Julius as 15-18 ppg with 10-12 rpg ultimately.  A solid guy on any team, and a good, not great player to help build around.  I’m glad he’s on my Lakers.

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     I really don’t think the OP has watched the lakers or Julius randle at all this year… Besides rebounding Randle has struggled a lot this yr… He hasn’t shown he’s a starter,let alone an all star…

    his is mid range shot is non exsisntent at this point. Most of his point come on isolation where he bullies his way to the basket,or in transistion… What’s even more disturbing is his defensive awareness… He looks lost and out of posistion a lot.

    he has said the right things in the media regarding his demotion to the bench and he seems willing to put in the work to improve his game…. I just really don’t think he’ll end up a an all star level player

     

     

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  • #1033258
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    Julius Randle is not a starter in the NBA to put it simply. His game has not changed since high school, where he still thinks he could just overpower everyone. Has NO jump shot, NO right hand, plus he can’t pass or defend. He can be an excellent bench player in the future, someone who can give you 12ppg & 8rpg but unless he drastically improved I don’t see much else, and the lakers should disregard him when making Draft, FA, or trade decisions. 

     

     

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  • #1033393
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    Julius Randle is not a starter in the NBA to put it simply. His game has not changed since high school, where he still thinks he could just overpower everyone. Has NO jump shot, NO right hand, plus he can’t pass or defend. He can be an excellent bench player in the future, someone who can give you 12ppg & 8rpg but unless he drastically improved I don’t see much else, and the lakers should disregard him when making Draft, FA, or trade decisions. 

     

     

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  • #1033260
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    CameronCrazy11
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     Best case scenario for Julius Randle is Derrick Coleman in my eyes

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    • #1033268
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      daggers818
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       Good physical comp, similar style.   Derrick was very, very talented but underachieving imho.  A big guy with great agility and a soft touch who should’ve done more with his talent.  I think Randle will perhaps be the mental opposite.  Some limitations to his game, but I think he’ll max out his talents with his work ethic.

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      • #1033302
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         Uh, no.  I guess go revisit some DC footage bc then you’ll see how much longer he was compared to Randle. He got off shots, plucked boards among the trees and dunked over guys (even while barely jumping) with ease because of how long he was.  DC also had big soft mitts which Randle does not. Randle actually has tiny hands for a big that are more comparable to guards.

        Stylistically and skill-wise they’re not similar either.  DC could shoot it.  He had soft touch from everywhere and a smooth shooting stroke.  Randle doesn’t even have good touch around the hoop, in large part because he has to exert so much effort to get a shot off.  He could also post and turn over either shoulder, while Randle has no post game outside of a turn and face up. Coleman was a much better passer as well.  Quite simply, DC was one of the most naturally gifted and skilled players of his era.  He was just lazy as sht and struggled with alcohol/weight through his career, but in terms of natural ability and skill he blows Randle out of the water. They’re not comparable.

         

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      • #1033437
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         Uh, no.  I guess go revisit some DC footage bc then you’ll see how much longer he was compared to Randle. He got off shots, plucked boards among the trees and dunked over guys (even while barely jumping) with ease because of how long he was.  DC also had big soft mitts which Randle does not. Randle actually has tiny hands for a big that are more comparable to guards.

        Stylistically and skill-wise they’re not similar either.  DC could shoot it.  He had soft touch from everywhere and a smooth shooting stroke.  Randle doesn’t even have good touch around the hoop, in large part because he has to exert so much effort to get a shot off.  He could also post and turn over either shoulder, while Randle has no post game outside of a turn and face up. Coleman was a much better passer as well.  Quite simply, DC was one of the most naturally gifted and skilled players of his era.  He was just lazy as sht and struggled with alcohol/weight through his career, but in terms of natural ability and skill he blows Randle out of the water. They’re not comparable.

         

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    • #1033403
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       Good physical comp, similar style.   Derrick was very, very talented but underachieving imho.  A big guy with great agility and a soft touch who should’ve done more with his talent.  I think Randle will perhaps be the mental opposite.  Some limitations to his game, but I think he’ll max out his talents with his work ethic.

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    • #1033532
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       he plays absolutely nothing like derrick coleman. Coleman was taller and and had longer arms and huge hands. He had a very solid post game and was an above average shooter. but he had nowhere near randles athleticism, qucikness or ball handling. Coleman was not leading fast breaks and crossing guys over and then hanging in the air for reverse layups.  Randle cant shoot well where you couldnt play off coleman. They’re both incredibly strong, but in different ways. Coleman had a really solid base, when he set his feet you didnt move him an inch. Randles strength is much more top heavy where he can push and shove but he doesnt hold his ground with his legs like coleman at all. Randles strength is like a fullback hitting the hole while coleman was like a brick wall.

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       he plays absolutely nothing like derrick coleman. Coleman was taller and and had longer arms and huge hands. He had a very solid post game and was an above average shooter. but he had nowhere near randles athleticism, qucikness or ball handling. Coleman was not leading fast breaks and crossing guys over and then hanging in the air for reverse layups.  Randle cant shoot well where you couldnt play off coleman. They’re both incredibly strong, but in different ways. Coleman had a really solid base, when he set his feet you didnt move him an inch. Randles strength is much more top heavy where he can push and shove but he doesnt hold his ground with his legs like coleman at all. Randles strength is like a fullback hitting the hole while coleman was like a brick wall.

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  • #1033395
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     Best case scenario for Julius Randle is Derrick Coleman in my eyes

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  • #1033276
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    Stew’s comp was so ludicrous I had to make an account.  Really like Randle’s attitude and demeanor, but he reminds me of a JV player who got called up to varsity and still hasn’t realized he can’t get by on physical attributes alone.  From what we’ve seen thus far, I think his ceiling is a homeless man’s Zach Randolph.  Can occasionally over power you on the block and grab some rebounds, but ultimately is limited with an unreliable jumper, below average explosion, and no variety to his offensive game.

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  • #1033411
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    Stew’s comp was so ludicrous I had to make an account.  Really like Randle’s attitude and demeanor, but he reminds me of a JV player who got called up to varsity and still hasn’t realized he can’t get by on physical attributes alone.  From what we’ve seen thus far, I think his ceiling is a homeless man’s Zach Randolph.  Can occasionally over power you on the block and grab some rebounds, but ultimately is limited with an unreliable jumper, below average explosion, and no variety to his offensive game.

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  • #1033278
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    Saying that Julius will not be an all star or career starter this early on is outrageous. As a Laker fan I have watched most of the games this year, and although Julius has definitely struggled offensively, he has still shown glimpses of greatness on the offensive end. His ability to run the floor at his size is unique and in this day and age an asset to any teams offense. He is at the very least an average passer for his position, if not better. Defensively he is still learning, although he has shown glimpses of good defense and more importantly good energy on defense. Also the bully ball criticism players receive, like Randle in this case, is completely blown out of proportion. Many do not think of it, but Lebron James scores most of his points by playing bully ball, so "bully ball" criticism isn’t really justified. If Randle develops a good jumper (which I believe he will, as he has good enough mechanics), he will become a huge offensive threat who will score alot of points through a combination of bully ball and jumpers.

    I personally think Randle has the potential become a 20-25pt, 10-13 reb, 2-4ast, 1stl, 1blk player if he continues to develop offensively. He is putting up almost 12 and 10 in 27 minutes in his first year, and under a coach that has not utilized him well. He also puts forth great energy and a great attitude on a nightly basis, and that alone makes me optimistic for his development. Give him a chance to develop before writing him off. 

     

     

     

     

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    Saying that Julius will not be an all star or career starter this early on is outrageous. As a Laker fan I have watched most of the games this year, and although Julius has definitely struggled offensively, he has still shown glimpses of greatness on the offensive end. His ability to run the floor at his size is unique and in this day and age an asset to any teams offense. He is at the very least an average passer for his position, if not better. Defensively he is still learning, although he has shown glimpses of good defense and more importantly good energy on defense. Also the bully ball criticism players receive, like Randle in this case, is completely blown out of proportion. Many do not think of it, but Lebron James scores most of his points by playing bully ball, so "bully ball" criticism isn’t really justified. If Randle develops a good jumper (which I believe he will, as he has good enough mechanics), he will become a huge offensive threat who will score alot of points through a combination of bully ball and jumpers.

    I personally think Randle has the potential become a 20-25pt, 10-13 reb, 2-4ast, 1stl, 1blk player if he continues to develop offensively. He is putting up almost 12 and 10 in 27 minutes in his first year, and under a coach that has not utilized him well. He also puts forth great energy and a great attitude on a nightly basis, and that alone makes me optimistic for his development. Give him a chance to develop before writing him off. 

     

     

     

     

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  • #1033288
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     Once he can consistently hit the 15 foot jump shot the game will open up so much for him. Hopefully his shooting is an issue that can be fixed with practice and repetition and its not just permanently broken (ala Josh Smith). I love his explosiveness off the dribble for a player his size and his relentless attacking the basket. However, defenses just back way off him right now and basically force him to shoot 15-17 footers he has no confidence in making. Ive seen him make some nice interior passes this year and I think that’s a skill he will continue to improve with experience. He will never be much of a rim protector, but he has a strong body and quick feet for a player his size so I think he has decent potential as a pick and roll defender. Not quite sure what his ceiling is at this point, but I think a lot will hinge on his ability to develop that mid-range jumper. I see him kind of as mix between Anthony Mason and David Lee, but definitely not Webber.

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     Once he can consistently hit the 15 foot jump shot the game will open up so much for him. Hopefully his shooting is an issue that can be fixed with practice and repetition and its not just permanently broken (ala Josh Smith). I love his explosiveness off the dribble for a player his size and his relentless attacking the basket. However, defenses just back way off him right now and basically force him to shoot 15-17 footers he has no confidence in making. Ive seen him make some nice interior passes this year and I think that’s a skill he will continue to improve with experience. He will never be much of a rim protector, but he has a strong body and quick feet for a player his size so I think he has decent potential as a pick and roll defender. Not quite sure what his ceiling is at this point, but I think a lot will hinge on his ability to develop that mid-range jumper. I see him kind of as mix between Anthony Mason and David Lee, but definitely not Webber.

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     28 games into essentially his first season, he is averaging nearly a double-double in 27 minutes, and you guys are already writing him off as as a JV player who hasn’t improved since his junior year in high school.  OK.  Yeah.  That’s some great analysis.

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     28 games into essentially his first season, he is averaging nearly a double-double in 27 minutes, and you guys are already writing him off as as a JV player who hasn’t improved since his junior year in high school.  OK.  Yeah.  That’s some great analysis.

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  • #1033296
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     The original poster was very much so overzealous but so are the people predicting him to be a bust. He’s been putting up 11.5 points, 9.5 rebounds, 1.6 assists, and slightly less than a steal in 27 minutes per game. He’s doing this as a 21 year old who has recently missed an entire year of basketball with a broken leg. He has so much time to improve and to also receive a better coach. 

    Randle’s perceived weaknesses have been overstated, he has been a great on ball defender, but he has been horrible off of the ball, that is something he needs to improve but could also be better if the Lakers switched more on defense instead of trying to funnel everything to Roy Hibbert who seems even slower this year than in years past. People say ‘he’s super left-handed," yet never make those statements when a player is super right handed like a ton of players in the league are. The question is can he get to his spot or not, and that answer is yes. Randle’s problem is what he does when he gets to that spot, it is something he needs to improve but its also something that could be fixed if the Lakers had a more wide open/faster system with their young athletes. He often rushes in with his head down or out of control, seeing the game from the sideline and playing it are two different things, he needs to learn how to score when he gets to his spot, sometimes over length and sometimes in a clogged paint with Roy Hibbert in the game. His game has sometimes been compared to Blake Griffin’s, Blake got a wide open-up and down offense with a passing point guard (Baron Davis) in his rookie year. Blake also ran into the same problems Julius has when the game slowed down. The Lakers need to open up the floor for all of their players, not just Julius Randle to be more productive. 

    Randle still has time to develop a jumper, he’s shooting nearly 70% from the line, which is a good sign for a player who is working on a jumper and a player who will most likely live at the line. He’s averaging nearly 2 assists, a number that was above 2 before he was relegated to the bench. That shows off his passin skills, we’ve also seen his ability to go coast to coast or to find the open man when he brings the ball down the court, yes he makes mistakes, but he is essentially a rookie, having only played 14 minutes before breaking his leg last year. 

    He’s lost 15 pounds, changed his diet, and that has continued. People talk about his wind, well considering he has only been playing full time competive basketball for 2 months (not counting his on and off summer league) since breaking that leg he still has time to get back into basketball shape. I ran track and cross country in high school, and a year of track in college, and I would still get more tired when playing basketball, and I was in peak physical condition before having back problems. 

    Ultimatelty it is too early to say what exactly Julius Randle will be, he still has so much growing left. His career has jsut started, he just turned 21. He could end up being a great 6th man, who will put up a near double-double or double-double and be able to be a super spark off of the bench, sort of like Lamar Odom, a player than can do it all. Or he could end up being a star, like the Lakers believe he will be. A report a month ago said the Lakers believe Randle can be a star next year, while they feel D’Angelo Russell will be a star in 3 years, so if it came down to trading one, it would be Russell. He could be a 20 points, 10 rebound guy, 4 assist guy. Sort of like Blake Griffin or Chris Webber. You can’t look at his production, and history and say that projection isn’t possible. At this time whatever we say is a projection. 

    I ultimately think we will see real production and improvement when Byron Scott is no longer the coach, which I think will be next year. I think the Lakers will hire Luke Walton and have a more wide open offense with ball movement. Two things that will help Randle, Clarkson, Russell, Nance, and if they keep their pick whatever top rookie they draft. It will also help them to be able to switch everything on defense like Golden State. They will play nearly positionless basketball. Byron Scott is holding the production and improvement of a ton of these players back. That’s my opinion..

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    Pistol Pete. The Pelican
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     The original poster was very much so overzealous but so are the people predicting him to be a bust. He’s been putting up 11.5 points, 9.5 rebounds, 1.6 assists, and slightly less than a steal in 27 minutes per game. He’s doing this as a 21 year old who has recently missed an entire year of basketball with a broken leg. He has so much time to improve and to also receive a better coach. 

    Randle’s perceived weaknesses have been overstated, he has been a great on ball defender, but he has been horrible off of the ball, that is something he needs to improve but could also be better if the Lakers switched more on defense instead of trying to funnel everything to Roy Hibbert who seems even slower this year than in years past. People say ‘he’s super left-handed," yet never make those statements when a player is super right handed like a ton of players in the league are. The question is can he get to his spot or not, and that answer is yes. Randle’s problem is what he does when he gets to that spot, it is something he needs to improve but its also something that could be fixed if the Lakers had a more wide open/faster system with their young athletes. He often rushes in with his head down or out of control, seeing the game from the sideline and playing it are two different things, he needs to learn how to score when he gets to his spot, sometimes over length and sometimes in a clogged paint with Roy Hibbert in the game. His game has sometimes been compared to Blake Griffin’s, Blake got a wide open-up and down offense with a passing point guard (Baron Davis) in his rookie year. Blake also ran into the same problems Julius has when the game slowed down. The Lakers need to open up the floor for all of their players, not just Julius Randle to be more productive. 

    Randle still has time to develop a jumper, he’s shooting nearly 70% from the line, which is a good sign for a player who is working on a jumper and a player who will most likely live at the line. He’s averaging nearly 2 assists, a number that was above 2 before he was relegated to the bench. That shows off his passin skills, we’ve also seen his ability to go coast to coast or to find the open man when he brings the ball down the court, yes he makes mistakes, but he is essentially a rookie, having only played 14 minutes before breaking his leg last year. 

    He’s lost 15 pounds, changed his diet, and that has continued. People talk about his wind, well considering he has only been playing full time competive basketball for 2 months (not counting his on and off summer league) since breaking that leg he still has time to get back into basketball shape. I ran track and cross country in high school, and a year of track in college, and I would still get more tired when playing basketball, and I was in peak physical condition before having back problems. 

    Ultimatelty it is too early to say what exactly Julius Randle will be, he still has so much growing left. His career has jsut started, he just turned 21. He could end up being a great 6th man, who will put up a near double-double or double-double and be able to be a super spark off of the bench, sort of like Lamar Odom, a player than can do it all. Or he could end up being a star, like the Lakers believe he will be. A report a month ago said the Lakers believe Randle can be a star next year, while they feel D’Angelo Russell will be a star in 3 years, so if it came down to trading one, it would be Russell. He could be a 20 points, 10 rebound guy, 4 assist guy. Sort of like Blake Griffin or Chris Webber. You can’t look at his production, and history and say that projection isn’t possible. At this time whatever we say is a projection. 

    I ultimately think we will see real production and improvement when Byron Scott is no longer the coach, which I think will be next year. I think the Lakers will hire Luke Walton and have a more wide open offense with ball movement. Two things that will help Randle, Clarkson, Russell, Nance, and if they keep their pick whatever top rookie they draft. It will also help them to be able to switch everything on defense like Golden State. They will play nearly positionless basketball. Byron Scott is holding the production and improvement of a ton of these players back. That’s my opinion..

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  • #1033308
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     He is doing ok to me despite playing for a horrible coach and a old KB with a rookie pg. He is doing well. He should improve. I see a starter.

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     He is doing ok to me despite playing for a horrible coach and a old KB with a rookie pg. He is doing well. He should improve. I see a starter.

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     I agree that the negative feedback is a little severe, but obviously the OP was a little overly optimistic with the lowest option as 5x all-star. I’ve always like Julius becuase of his attitude and he does have a unique skill-set. A lot of the comments on here rang very true though in saying he needs to expand his game. Yes, his left hand is good, he’s strong, boards hard, and has a great motor. Against small to average sized, not overly strong fours I feel like he has some success doing what he does well. However, against the bigger fours he needs to be able to bring them away from the basket and do more than just drive left to the hoop. He has a good combination of size and strength, so if he’s ever able to go right and can knock down the mid-range jumper he will be much more difficult to guard and we’ll see him become much more effective on offense. A good example of his short comings is the second Lakers vs. Wolves game this year. For the first 3 quarters he was bullying all of the Wolves PF’s (KG, Bjelica, Payne) and then in the fourth we put Gorgui on him and I think he scored 1 pt the rest of the game including OT. He has some things he really needs to work on even to get to the solid starter, let alone all-star level but he is basically only a rookie. Too early to be saying he isn’t going to be a starter caliber player.

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     I agree that the negative feedback is a little severe, but obviously the OP was a little overly optimistic with the lowest option as 5x all-star. I’ve always like Julius becuase of his attitude and he does have a unique skill-set. A lot of the comments on here rang very true though in saying he needs to expand his game. Yes, his left hand is good, he’s strong, boards hard, and has a great motor. Against small to average sized, not overly strong fours I feel like he has some success doing what he does well. However, against the bigger fours he needs to be able to bring them away from the basket and do more than just drive left to the hoop. He has a good combination of size and strength, so if he’s ever able to go right and can knock down the mid-range jumper he will be much more difficult to guard and we’ll see him become much more effective on offense. A good example of his short comings is the second Lakers vs. Wolves game this year. For the first 3 quarters he was bullying all of the Wolves PF’s (KG, Bjelica, Payne) and then in the fourth we put Gorgui on him and I think he scored 1 pt the rest of the game including OT. He has some things he really needs to work on even to get to the solid starter, let alone all-star level but he is basically only a rookie. Too early to be saying he isn’t going to be a starter caliber player.

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    I see Carlos Boozser in Julius Randle.. Decent size for the position but dont have the post-up get a bucket kind of ability. Depends on the face up game but at this stage Boozers face up J is better than Randle’s. Neither are good defenders at all. I think Randle has some time to improve but i think his 11.5 ppg and 10 rbg are what his career is going to be. Hell Boozers Career number are 16.5 ppg amd 9.5 boards..  I think thats Randle’s ceiling. 

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    I see Carlos Boozser in Julius Randle.. Decent size for the position but dont have the post-up get a bucket kind of ability. Depends on the face up game but at this stage Boozers face up J is better than Randle’s. Neither are good defenders at all. I think Randle has some time to improve but i think his 11.5 ppg and 10 rbg are what his career is going to be. Hell Boozers Career number are 16.5 ppg amd 9.5 boards..  I think thats Randle’s ceiling. 

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     I didn’t mean to say Randle in comparison to Chris Webber as far as there game and playing style. So my bad but I meant in terms of impact. I think he can make some all star games and average 20+ and get 10 rebounds but that’s just my personal opinion. I agree with what "jwall1" said in his post

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     I didn’t mean to say Randle in comparison to Chris Webber as far as there game and playing style. So my bad but I meant in terms of impact. I think he can make some all star games and average 20+ and get 10 rebounds but that’s just my personal opinion. I agree with what "jwall1" said in his post

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     This is basically his rookie year since he didn’t play last year and his numbers are close too or better than a couple of Allstars at the same stage in Zbo, L.A, Marc Gasol, Drummond.  He still plays bully ball at times but it still works and he’s only going to get stronger. He averages 14pts 10 reb when not playing with Kobe according to ESPN or NBAtv, can’t remember which, and 18pts 14reb per 40

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     This is basically his rookie year since he didn’t play last year and his numbers are close too or better than a couple of Allstars at the same stage in Zbo, L.A, Marc Gasol, Drummond.  He still plays bully ball at times but it still works and he’s only going to get stronger. He averages 14pts 10 reb when not playing with Kobe according to ESPN or NBAtv, can’t remember which, and 18pts 14reb per 40

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