[McWinningParticipant]

Had a good game today 21 pounts, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 blocks and a steal second 20 point game this month as the youngest player in the Nba hes looking pretty good. man Beaubois looked great yesterday 24 points this point guard class is sick.

[TRC1991Participant]

i was jus thinkin about the future at this position…wow

PG
Tyreke Evans
Derrick Rose
Stephen Curry
Russell Westbrook
Brandon Jennings
Jonny Flynn
Roddy Beaubois
Darren Collison
Jrue Holiday
John Wall

[RickyRubio9Participant]

lol. And all, but Three are from the Last Draft Class…Crazy
Still a possiblity of Ricky Rubio panning out as a Starter/Bench/Star
& There’s that fellow Ty Lawson

[quinceyhodges]

delonte west clone. and thats not a slight because delonte west is pretty good. this is the time that fans tend to get a lil over excited. when a teamisnt that good and they start toplay there rookies and the rookies put up good numbers. then people think they should have started allalongand dont conider that players that they play behind are better. happend last year with donte green and alot of people thought he shouldbe a starter the next year

[JNixonParticipant]

Jrue Holiday is a player that solid at everything (Except shooting) but he’s still not that good to me, and his upside isn’t all that high. He’s a backup PG IMO. I agree with the Delonte West comparisons for the most part, especially when Delonte was a rookie, and if he gets a shot like Delonte has developed then the comparison will be more inevitable.

[gregoden08Participant]

Ok….His upside isn’t that high? He’s the youngest player in the league.

Jrue can be a very good player. In 2 years, he could be a starter and a real contributer on a nightly basis.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Holiday doing this is impressive because most thought he was futher away from doing any of this in the league after looking unimpressive in summer league and early on. This at least shows that his potential could be realize soon. Remember he is at present a good defender so if he can develop his offensive game being that he is young and fine tune his play making he can be special but Philly may get Wall and some other team may showcase his talents.

[quinceyhodges]

there were actually alot of people who thought he would be doing better then he’sdoing now. i remember argueing with all of themon here..lol. hes doing what alot of rookies do near the end of the year when teams know they arent gonna make the playoffs. get more time more shots put up better numbers while the players who are better then them either play less or do less

[McWinningParticipant]

Honestly i was a doubter too. But he seems more comfortable, and aggressive then he was in college. Iggy why dont you see upside? he has very good length, quickness, and athleticism. Honestly i see him a lot like Eric Snow he was my favorite player as a former Sixers fan even over Iverson.

[JNixonParticipant]

Oxymoron.

You ask why I don’t see alot of upside in him, then compare him Eric Snow. Realistically, how much better does he have to get to be as good as Snow?? He just needs the ball to be effective, and he’s still not even a true PG. And just because you have good length doesn’t mean you have high upside. Watching him season I don’t see him as anything more than mediocre athletically or in terms of quickness. I maintain that the only thing he does at more than a mediocre level is play defense. Nothing about him is all that good besides that.

[JNixonParticipant]

Realistically, I don’t see him getting more minutes than Lou Williams next season. I’ve watched just about every 76er game this season, and Holiday is nothing more than a backup. He’s got upside of course, but he’s not going to be more than an average starter in the future. I can tell.

[McWinningParticipant]

I know i never said hes gonna be a ”superstar” but honesty Lou is more of a shooting guard i think he will start next year.

[quinceyhodges]

start?…over who?..i odnt watch alot of sixer games so im not sure who’s there starting sg. but if its iggy then lou has the pg spot on look even if he is more of a shooter because hes better then jru

[McWinningParticipant]

Yeah quincey earlier in the year they brought Williams off the bench, but now their starting him at shooting guard, with Iggy at the three.

[JNixonParticipant]

Lou Williams starts at SG and finishes as PG. Jrue has been starting at PG but he’s usually on a quick leash, so if he’s ineffective running the offense or messing up on D he won’t see alot of minutes after the 1st quarter. Today, Holiday was great from the beginning so Coach Jordan stuck with him.

Next year, I see Lou being the starter and Holiday being the backup. They won’t have a small backcourt like that next season.

[McWinningParticipant]

Ill admit ive only seen three Sixers games all year and Holidays dopne good in all of them… so i really dont see him on his bad side.

[JNixonParticipant]

I went to the Hawks vs. 76ers game Wednesday, and Holiday was ineffective that game. He has a (relatively) big game like the one he had today every once in a while, but he’s usually very mediocre in most other games.

[McWinningParticipant]

Yeah thats why im comparing him to Snow not Wade like he was compared to coming out of high school. Snow did have a 12.9 point season once and his assist numbers were good. He does have very good potential though.

[quinceyhodges]

so its possible that he will start?..

[McWinningParticipant]

He does start.

[JNixonParticipant]

He is a starter. He just plays reserve minutes. Think Dahntay Jones in Denver last season.

He starts in the 1st quarter, plays about 8-10 minutes seemingly, doesn’t play in the 2nd, then plays again in the 3rd for about 8-10 minutes again, then not in the 4th.

[llperez]

ive repped jrue from day one, and even i didn’t think he woudl do anything his rookie year. He is the youngest player in the nba and he is starting and he is well rounded and has nothing but upside. Like i said from day one and guys like iggy and huestis bitched, holiday is a baller and he will prove himself as one of the best players from this draft.

[quinceyhodges]

thats pretty much every rookie.they all have nothing but upside. i think he can become delonte west which isnt bad. i thinkmost of the rookie pg would start for the sixers though

[llperez]

he’s 19 years old is a legit pg and has zero weknesses, He shoots, defends, rebounds, and is a pass fisrts guard and you think his upside is possibly becoming delonte west???? That would be his prediction if he screws up. At 19, delonte was still trying to prove himslef in a mid major conference. Jrue is light years ahead of him at the same stage.

[JNixonParticipant]

Jrue Holiday doesn’t do all of that stuff. Your going wayyy overboard. He is an average PG. You must be related to him some find of way lol.

[McWinningParticipant]

Lol he went to UCLA what do you expect him to say?

[llperez]

he doesnt do what? Again, im talking about a teenager who is starting in the nba.

He has a very decent shot, handle, he defends, he always has his head up finding the open man. He is well rounded and is still figuring this game out. And you want to call his upside Delonte West??

Yes im a ucla fan and i tend to stick up for them. But i call it like i see it. If he sucked and had no upside, i would be the first one on this site to say it. So no, no matter how much we disagree, im not related to him and i dont think im going overboard. You didn’t even think he should have been drafted in the first round.

[llperez]

birdzilla, you forever lost my respect when you said Mario Chlamers would be better then Chris Paul. Your opinion means nothing

[McWinningParticipant]

Lol i was just joking then.

[JNixonParticipant]

Yes. He’s like Delonte West at best. His shot, ball-handling and passing ability all are mediocre. He’s not even a pure PG. He just needs the ball in his hands to be at his best. The oinnly thing he’s really a standout at is on-ball defense.

I think Jrue Holiday must’ve hacked your account on here man….

[McWinningParticipant]

His passing isnt great yet but its improving. and is a very good slasher when aggressive. Honestly i think thats a decent comparison, but he CAN be a lot better.

[llperez]

well, we had this debate before the draft. You said he wans’t a first rounder and doubted his ability to even play in the nba. I said it will take time, but the dude is gonna make his mark and prove himself.

So far, he is 19 years old and starting. He has put up impressive stats in numerous games and the team has obviously made him a key point in their future plnas. So I guess I’m ahead.

[JNixonParticipant]

Yea he’s played a little more than I thought since Philly picked him. He’s more NBA-ready than anyone thought, but he’s worse than most of the PG’s that are rookies. You made it like he has no weaknesses, so I let you know from watching him play more than you have that he’s not all that your making him out to be.

[llperez]

what have i made him to be??? I said he was a top 10 prospect before the draft but admitteed it would take time. I said he is well rounded with zero weaknesses, but he is still a tennager whio is showing growth. I see a guy who is tall, athletic, and makes smart decisions while trying to figure this game out. He defends and has shown a solid jumper. I think his growth and upside is very high. There is not one thing about him that makes me think he will hit a wall and stop improving. You’re a philly fan and all you do is shit on him and talk about how they should have drafted teague. Maybe you need to drop the bias and learn to embrace your future pg.

[joecheck88Participant]

im not saying he is going to be a superstar but if people say he is going to be a backup so what. he is the youngest player in the league so his offense will get better. he already pit forth good effort on d and will also get better at that. the sixers didnt take hime in the lottery. so to be honest even as a defensive minded backup point guard that cant even leagally drink or gamble he was decent value. i mean guys picked first in the draft have had worse years that holiday has. there will be a place in the league for him because someone needs to guard all these quick point guards in the league like rose rondo paul collison brooks lawson nelson etc. everyone bashes the guy because he was a high school all american and he doesnt score 20 per game. back off of him he has already passed many people on this site expectations. at worst he is a solid backup there has been worse with the 17th pick in the draft.

[llperez]

trinajoe for the win

[quinceyhodges]

why does everyone keepbring upthe 19 years old thing?..there have been other 19 year olds in the nba and 19 is very close to 20 and 21. once youre inthe nba andyoung its doesnt matter if youre 19,20,or 21. that doesnt mean his potentialis bigger then guys who are older it just means his body can possibly last a year longer then someone whos older. he will be learning the same things that guys like jennings and curry and other young guards willlearn. when youre that close in age then it doesnt really matter as much as some of ya’ll keep trying to make i like he has a better chance of getting better then someone whos 21 or 22. theres other guards int he nba who could have started for the sixers at 19

[JNixonParticipant]

He’s got plenty of weaknesses. He’s shooting 3’s alright this season (38%), but he averages just off of 2 3’s per game. He’s better in mid-range, but still nothing all that great.

He’s not that athletic. Or that quick for an NBA PG.

He’s nothing more than mediocre as I said as a passer. He averages 2 assists a game and never really sets up guys for open looks other than off of pick and roll plays, and he has a whole bunch of times where he’s ineffective and the offense goes stale.

If he could shoot, pass, handle the ball, defend, and rebound at a high level, trust me. I would be super happy he played for Philly and I would think he’d play more than 20 minutes a game. Your making it like this guy is Chauncey Billups. You should watch him play in the NBA, because he’s noting like all this stuff you claim he is. He wasn’t even doing all of that stuff you said in college. Maybe you watched him play in HS or something, but your severely overrating him.

[gregoden08Participant]

Your severely underrating him. Really, all you do is hate on the guy.

[quinceyhodges]

he has a jumper now?..i havent watched him much this season so i dont know but when i did watch him his jumper wasnt solid. and i know it wasnt solid in college either

[llperez]

quincey, you should know there is a huge difference between 19 and 21 or 22 years old. That is an age where you are figuring out who you are and what you can do. If Jrue played in college until he was 21 years old, he would have been putting up bigger numbers and people wouldn’t hate as much. What about his game and skill set makes you think he is not gonna get better?

[JNixonParticipant]

He can make shots when he’s wide open, but he rarely even tries to shoot off the dribble or when contested.

[llperez]

iggy, you should know when i talk about players i have watched them play. If you think i i haven’t seen jrue play this year, you are delusional. Go ahead and continue to doubt. Reality is that we are both just sitting here guessing what he is capable of. Fact is that he is a starting nba pg at 19 years old and he is only gonnna get better.

If you don’t think he is a nba starter, then keep feeling that way. But if you continue to dismiss him as an legit prospect, then maybe only one intelligent basketball fan joined this site on April 14th????

[JNixonParticipant]

Even if you have watched him play alot, tell me one thing I’ve said hasn’t been true. I’m not going to say that he’s done anything that he hasn’t done, or vice versa. There is no way you can honestly say that after seeing him play this season, that he’s shown the ability to shoot, rebound, pass, handle the ball, and defend all at a high level. Because he hasn’t done all that at one time. If you try to convince me that he has, then either you have him mixed up with Andre Iguodala or you haven’t been watching any meaningful amount of games.

[JNixonParticipant]

2 people you can never discuss realistically on this site:

Jrue Holiday and Greg Oden.

[gregoden08Participant]

We can…You can’t. According to you, Jrue has reached his ceiling at 19 and won’t get any better. He is a starter and has had some big games, and you completely dismiss all of that. He does nothing right…That’s basically what your saying and I couldn’t disagree more.

[llperez]

what gregoden said. Seriously, you said he wasn’t a first rounder before the draft. Now you are still hating despite what he has brought to the table. You don’t like Jrue, point taken….

[quinceyhodges]

yeah when youre in college.once youre in the nba youre learning the same thing. there are sr’s still in the nba who were drafted the same year as gerld green. the same with telfair. its not a given that hes gonna become special. there have been other 19 year olds who have played much better then him. there will be a couple that come in next year who will play better then him

[JNixonParticipant]

Just because you don’t agree with silly things like Jrue Holiday is good at every aspect of basketball, your hating. A PG who averages 5 ppg and 3 apg in the NBA and 8 ppg and 3 apg in college. I call em exactly how I see em.

And who really cares if you take points from me.

[JNixonParticipant]

“We can…You can’t. According to you, Jrue has reached his ceiling at 19 and won’t get any better. He is a starter and has had some big games, and you completely dismiss all of that. He does nothing right…That’s basically what your saying and I couldn’t disagree more.

I said his upside isn’t that all that high. I didn’t say he’s 19 and won’t get any better. I also said he has a big game every once in a while.

Show me one post where I said otherwise.

[llperez]

first off, i never touched your points. Im a 28 year old man, points are stupid.

Secondly, yes, you are hating on jrue. It’s cool if you think he sucks. But don’t act like you are giving him a fair shake when you are not. You have not said one positive thing beofrre, during or after the draft. He just put up 21/7/7 tonight. Keep in mind that’s a 19 year old we are talking about

[quinceyhodges]

man i wish i would have watched more of him this season so i could get in on this debate..all i can do is go by stats and the lil bit of what ive seen of him. not enough to really debate:(..lol

[joecheck88Participant]

there is a difference between 19 years old and 21 or 22 years old. its called physical and mental maturity. i am 21 years old and i can tell u right now i am alot bigger and stronger than i was at 19 and i dont work out with weights. just naturally i gained about 15 to 20 pounds of muscle with everyday activities. oh i worked at lowes in the lumber yard but jrue is on an nba team where he gets paid to work out. that 2 years is a big difference. and i know i can talk about jrue and greg oden realistically because i never said either would be great. jrue at worst in my opinion is going to be a 8ppg 3rpg 4apg with a steal off the bench in about 22mpg. and that is with solid defense too. i dont think he is going to be an all star i dont think he will ever average more than 13ppg in a season but dont tell me he cant be a long term effective nba player. and greg oden when healthy can be a better version of brendan haywood. thats not an all star but its a good piece for a good team. why do we always want to bash guys who had alot of hype and come into the nba as hard working role players? fact is 98% of players drafted are never allstars most become role players or dont make it. i mean drew gooden was a top 5 pick and has been nothing but a role player but almost any team in the league could use him. jrue was a great hs player but so was everyone that plays in the nba give the kid a chance before we write him off.

[JNixonParticipant]

It’s only hating if what I’m saying isn’t true.

I said he has a game like this every one in a while. I also gave him credit for his on-ball defense, which is realistically the only thing he does at more than a mediocre level on a consistent basis.

Yes, he had a good game today. I didn’t deny that at all. I’m not going to jerk myself off about this one game like y’all are trying to do though, because I’ve seen these kinds of games way less than I’ve seen him get like 5 or 6 points and 2 or 3 assists.

[joecheck88Participant]

there is a difference between 19 years old and 21 or 22 years old. its called physical and mental maturity. i am 21 years old and i can tell u right now i am alot bigger and stronger than i was at 19 and i dont work out with weights. just naturally i gained about 15 to 20 pounds of muscle with everyday activities. oh i worked at lowes in the lumber yard but jrue is on an nba team where he gets paid to work out. that 2 years is a big difference. and i know i can talk about jrue and greg oden realistically because i never said either would be great. jrue at worst in my opinion is going to be a 8ppg 3rpg 4apg with a steal off the bench in about 22mpg. and that is with solid defense too. i dont think he is going to be an all star i dont think he will ever average more than 13ppg in a season but dont tell me he cant be a long term effective nba player. and greg oden when healthy can be a better version of brendan haywood. thats not an all star but its a good piece for a good team. why do we always want to bash guys who had alot of hype and come into the nba as hard working role players? fact is 98% of players drafted are never allstars most become role players or dont make it. i mean drew gooden was a top 5 pick and has been nothing but a role player but almost any team in the league could use him. jrue was a great hs player but so was everyone that plays in the nba give the kid a chance before we write him off.

[llperez]

well i am gonna jerk myself off on this game. Dude looks real nice…..real nice….oh yeah……..

[joecheck88Participant]

sorry about the double post gettin used to new cell phone

[quinceyhodges]

13ppg in a season ..i can see that..but being 19 doesnt mean youre gonna become a specialplayer as someone said

[scoutguruParticipant]

trinajoe, the issue is when your dubbed as the next Bill Russell b4 you stepped on an nba court, and you have a round table discussions with the great big men to ever play in the league, a lot is expected of you. Oh yea, being the #1 pick certainly doesn’t lower the bar in any aspect also. We understand not everyone is an all star, and most work out to be role players, but that doesn’t mean we should lower expectations on highly thought of and highly drafted guys for that reason alone. Jrue Holiday was more of a disappointment to me in college. He really did nothing for that university to just bolt like that after one year. And the few rumors I heard from his camp that the system was holding him back was garbage. DC proved to be an all american guard outta that system and kevin love was the 5th pick, westbrook 4th. But in regards to him in the nba, he’ll be a solid role player, nothing crazy. He’ll be able to contribute and should be an nba caliber guard as his career progresses and may start consistently at some point, who knows…

[llperez]

scoutguru, in regards to your comments on the ucla system not holding him back, i have to disagree.

Westbrook didn’t even play his freshman year and a lot of people thought him going top 5 was a mistake.

Everyone ripped on the wolves trading mayo for love and said love was not worth the top 5 pick.

Ryan hollins was a second rounder who was never supposed to see an nba pay check

Luc Richard Mbah a Moute was another second rounder who was never supposed to see the court.

Jordan Farmar and Aran Afllalo were both late 1st rounders who were not expected to do much in the nba and numerous scouts called both those guys euro league players.

Darren Collison has been as impressive as any rookie in the league this year when given minutes.

jrue holiday was expected to ride the bench but instead he has earned a starting job and shown great promise for the sixers.

I think the UCLA Bruins under Ben Howland prove they are more nba ready then any other college program

[gregoden08Participant]

Is a great program man…I am a pac-10 guy (even though my team is UNC) and UCLA is a powerhouse. Ben Howland is a great coach. UCLA will be ranked next year and could be dangerous next year in the tournament.

The Pac-10 will be back next year…Hopefully LOL.

[llperez]

yeah, im not gonna predict anything crazy for the pac 10 next year, but you have to be crazy if you don’t think it will bounce back.

UCLA and Stanford both have top 15 recruiting classes as well as solid returining players. Washington State returns their top 4 players including Klay Thompson who is a potential nba player. Arizona returns 9 of their top 10 players minus only Nic Wise and Freshman Derrick Willimas should be good for 20-10 next year. The confernce is gonna be fine.

[McWinningParticipant]

Hes doing pretty good tonight. Honestly iggy hes pretty good.

[R.I.P B.I.G 13YRS AGO]

actually jru was expected to be very very good from the jump… dont you remember all the articles before his workouts before the draft?..top 5 pick this and that. there were many arguements about that.then he had so so workouts and dropped and hes been playing just like a player picked where he was pick usually plays. not horrible but not special

[McWinningParticipant]

The thing is a lot of people looked at potential and hes players like hes worthy of the spot, with a lot more potential. Plus Iggy seems to think he was a garbage pick im not necessarily saying hes the next Steve Nash or something but hes playing pretty well, especially lately.

[JNixonParticipant]

He has played well these last 2 games…He did more scoring tonight though, and make some bad TO’s down the stretch, and they killed the come from behind effort (even though it was a long-shot that we’d win.

[McWinningParticipant]

I know he did bad at the end… but he did pretty good the rest of the game, he was awful at the end though im not gonna lie.

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