[Jdean24Participant]

I notice Jackson has moved up toothe number one spot in the mock draft on this site. Curious if you guys agree with this move over some of the other prospects this draft offers. I see a lot of people compare him too Andrew Wiggins, I’m thinking a K Leonard/ Batum with a Kobe Bryant mentality. He’s got that Alpha personality. Personally I like him at 1 but I’m biased as I’m a die hard Jayhawk fan. Just want some unbiased views, thanks guys. 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 Reminds me of Trevor Ariza….I’d go with ball as the number 1 pick.

[Kokayne_DawkinzParticipant]

 If Jackson is Ariza then Ball is Rubio. That comp is way off

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 Josh Jackson is the most overrated prospect in years

[EndlessknightParticipant]

Agreed, his age and lack of outside shot bothers me. He’s a year and a half older than Brandon Ingram and doesn’t have anywhere the outside shot of Ingram.

[Hype Machine]

Bold statement by Superchronics for a change. Im gonna hold you to that over rated comment. 

I heard its mighty unpleasant in the Northwest this time of year. Bitterly cold with a stagnating economy due to a surplus of unmotivated stoners working 20hr weeks.

Now excuse me while this busty beach maiden tops up my juice glass.

I got some rays to catch.

 

[Robb_CParticipant]

Ive been a huge fan of Josh Jackson, Hes my favorite prospect in recent memory.. I’m giving him a very lofty NBA comparison because I think that high of him.. His jumpshot is still a work in progress but he has all the tools to be an absolute nightmare in the League.. I alway battled people on here about comparing him to Wiggins because his skillset in the Halfcourt really seperates him from Andrew.. All that being said he reminds me a lot of Clyde Drexler.

[holefillers1Participant]

 Robb, how can you be a huge fan of Jackson? He has played in a half dozen college games.  If anything you should be disappointed.  Based on everything I read about him in HS, he was supposed to be next great thing.  He is 20y.o. and I garuntee you he is NO WHERE near 6’8.  Also not that athletic and not a great shooter.  If you want to jump on a players bandwagon in HS you need to have the sense to jump off when its obvious he won’t be "The Glyde "  Based on all the shit I read on this kid over the last two years he has not shown me half of those traits.  

[Robb_CParticipant]

I predicted Villanova winning a national championship after they landed Brunson. You can go look at my post history.. If needed proof

I also called Skal Labrissie overrated and Channing Fyre, when guys on here were calling him LaMarcus Aldridge and worthy of a number 1 pick.. I called this before the season. You can go look that up too.

Point is and I’m not in any means trying to toot my own horn, but Im very confident Jackson will be very successful in the league.

[Knicks44Participant]

He kind of reminds of Harrison Barnes when he was at UNC. I think it might be a fair comparison

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

is a streamliner.  at least he was in college.  He had one drive to the bucket turnaround move and a static jumper.

Josh Jackson has shown so much more bball IQ.  He plays the lanes defensively.  He can MOVE LATERALLY with the ball unlike Wiggins.  And he is a much better passer / sees the floor much better than Wiggins.

Wiggins cannot be a 2 guard.  Josh Jackson has better upside and I think his athleticism might not be Wiggins-esque, but as I’ve said in other posts, who gives a crap.  He’s a better ballplayer.

It will be ironic if the Sixers who really wanted Wiggins missed out on the Wiggins sweepstakes and Landed Embiid.  And now, 3 years later get a better player than Wiggins in Josh Jackson.

 

 

 

  

[Jdean24Participant]

Id agree that Jackson almost has too be the pick for philly is possible. A ball dominant guard like Fultz or Smith Jr doesn’t make sense next too Simmons. They could turn around with the lakers pick and grab Monk or Fox some wing punch.  Even Issac if he’s there, making an absolutely huge lineup but ultra talented as well.

[holefillers1Participant]

 Fultz is a killer and you still need a play maker on the floor when Simmons isn’t.  Jackson has a nice all around game, he just doesn’t blow me away in any one area.  I want to see how Tatum and Isaac progress this year. Their ability to score may be more be more enticing to the Sixers

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Fultz actually isn’t as ball dominant as you would think. In the game vs Gonzaga he did dominate the ball but its not like the ball didn’t touch other players hands. Markelle usually initiated the offence in the half court off of screens. That’s set offensive plays off the ball. He would fit in we’ll in Philly with Simmons who is a natural distributor.

Like Seattlesuperchronics said Jackson had not yet proven he will become a high level scorer in the NBA. I think the key with him is potential at this point. NBA staff seems to believe he will continue to develop his offensive game like a Demar Derozan or Paul George did after entering the league. As of now he seems to have a floor of some mixture of Ariza, Batum, Igoudala type guys. If his scoring develops he will be dangerous but I fear his career will be similar to Iggy’s where the team that picks him expects him to be a 1st option. Whether he delivers remains to be seen.

[Robb_CParticipant]

OhCanada, no offense but you are mistaken about Josh Jackson as far as his scoring ability.. Ive been watching him very closely. One of the things that Jackson does so well in the halfcourt that translates to the league is hes able to attack the defense from the baseline when teams are pushing him away from the middle.. This is fundamentally huge because if hes able to do this in college he’ll be able to do this in the NBA.. Reason why I say that is because majority of centers and forwards in Major Conferences have to establish a considerable amount of quickness moving side to side or help recovering.. Its plays a huge part in considering if a Center or Forward is made for Europe or Made for the NBA.

With that being said, Jackson is playing against talent that has the quickness and lane to lane agility to recover and help when teams are pushing him to the sideline.. Ive watched him a few teams beat his man off the dribble and beat the help and get into middle of the paint and either hit an open man due to how bad he made the D collapse or score, that my friend translates to the league everyday of the week.. He scores from 9 primary regions of the floor as well hes legit. 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I think you misinterpreted my statement so Ill explain. Right now he has not proven he will become an elite scorer in the league. I compare him to Iggy coming out of Arizona. Like Iggy Jackson’s best quality isn’t necessarily his elite athleticism his best quality is his feel for the game. He just gets it which is rare for most wings nowadays. Derozan, Wiggins and Beal all fall into this category. They just don’t have the natural mojo on the court that guys like Thompson, Butler and Booker seem to have. Now like Iggy whichever team drafts him will work with him every day to improve his shooting but for him to improve from below 30% from three and 60% from the FT line to a league average for a wing is asking alot. You might point to Derozan as an example of a wing that doesnt live off of threes but he shoots above 80% from the free throw line and shoots near 10 a game. For jackson to get his three at 35% and his FT at 75% will take tons of work. Im not saying he cant do it he will have every tool in the world available to him Im just pointing out the obvious in saying even if he does make those hurdles and becomes a decent shooter he will not likely be comfortable shooting the three or the FT’s because thats not what he is. We saw Iggy improve those parts of his game in Philly although in crunch time it was in his nature to miss those big time jumpers. We saw Derozan improve his handle buy in crunch time its in his nature to miss dribble the ball or dribble it into traffic/off his foot. All things being the same he should still be in consideration for the 1st pick especially for teams that have a lead PG and top scoring option. Although I think it is not a good idea for a team drafting Top 3 to expect this guy to be your 1st option or main distributor. Amazing player, his upside with or without the scoring is probably just as high as Derozan or Wiggins, but to me he is like a jack of all trades guy like a Draymond Green at the wing kind of like Jaylen Brown but more like Andre Igoudala.

[binetParticipant]

 Jackson does not look like a franchise player/game changer. Most tanking/bottom teams look for one. I think he ends up underdrafted as the guy everybody now is among the most talented but someone who appears to be a great third or fourth best player in a team, not an anchor to build around. 

Teams that already have their franchise player like NOP, Minnesota, presumably Philly (Ben Simmons has yet to play), and possibly Boston will certainly consider him highly, but I would be surprised if he ends up #1.

 

 

[ZarathustraParticipant]

I didn’t watch a lot from him but it looks like he has some playmaking skills and good defensive potential not a natural shooter,low FT %…

Reminds me a bit of Andre Iguodala.

 

 

2017 draft looks good !

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Need to watch him more. He was one of my picks for Philly earlier. But I also said go look at the point guards and that I really liked Josh Hart for them. Still do. Saw his stats today although I didn’t watch the game. philly needs shooters and an alpha scorer — I like Hart in that role for them.

Lonzo Ball is my top point guard on the board. Playmaker with size and the ability to create. If Philly can end up with BOTH guys then they win the draft. Either Ball one simmons can run the offense and you can have a really high level "small ball lineup" with size in Ball, Hart, Simmons, Saric/Covington, and Embiid.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 So Philly needs those two guards in the first round.  Second round I would go after two guys — get ’em both: the Lawson brothers, Dedric and KJ, out of Memphis/U of M. Dedric can play some 3 and some 4 although kind of a slow-footed tweener (poor man’s Ben Simmons) with KJ being a 2/3 with a bit more athleticism and a guy who can play behind Hart. The Lawson’s can anchor the second unit along with McConnell, Noel, Okafor, and others. Then next year the Sixers can go after a a high level athletic power forward to complement Embiid (if there is a guy like that out there).  Obviously, a guy like Shawn Kemp would be ideal, but how many Shawn Kemps are out there.  

[HitsterParticipant]

 Josh Jackson looks an elite prospect, there will be immediate comparisons to Wiggins especially given the Jayhawks connection. But I see Jackson as being a more rounded player than Wiggins was at a similar stage, Wiggins may have been the better scorer and have that superstar aura whilst Jackson is perhaps a more natural leader and will do a lot of defensive work and intangibles hence the comparison to guys like Batum, Iggy and Leonard.

Philly would certainly be a nice fit for him. Also it would be rather ironic if he ended up with Wiggins at T-Wolves as Thibs would love Jackson’s attitude and workrate.

 

[BeastMode716Participant]

 are very different players. Ingram developed his outside shot b/c he lacks the elite athleticism & 1st step quickness Jackson possesses.

That’s not a knock on Ingram – I LUV Ingram. On Defense, he uses his crazy length to make up for the lack of crazy athletecism & he utilizes a variety of spin moves & craftiness combined w/ his length to get his shot off. But he did shot a very low % around the rim b/c he can’t get that separation & he lacks the strength to keep his body under control in the air when physical defenders body him. For example, he had the same finishing % around the rim last season in college as Tyler Ulis. I expect Ingram to improve as he gets older & gains strength. But Ingram’s game will be judged on his ability to score.

Jackson is different in the sense that he has the ability to impact the game without touching the ball. He is a ferocious defender both on & off ball. He’s a very good shoot blocker & he is such a freak athlete his body seems like it’s in perpetual motion. He seems to vibrate & bounce at all times like a coiled spring.

 Offensively he is an Incredible finisher in transition. So in that regard he does remind me a bit of Wiggins. But Wiggins is more passive. Jackson has a motor that just never stops. I agree w/ some of the other posters that Jackson would be a scary addition to Phila. Embiid is 4 blocks per game center. To have Jackson to just lock on to the other team’s top scorer & he does not care if he gets shots b/c he can score 12 – 15 ppg in clean up & transition buckets makes him a great fit. Simmons is the PG, so personally I believe a guy like Malik Monk would be a great fit w/ that 2nd Lottery pick they will get from my Lakers. It looks like they will have options like Fox, Ntilikina, Smith Jr & Monk b/c one of them will fall to #8, 9 or 10 which is where is looks like that Lakers pick will be. 

For that reason, I would take Jackson over a Fultz or a Ball if I were Phila. But I also agree w/ others who say Jackson is not a #1 option, I totally agree w/ that & in fairness I don’t believe anyone ever said he could be. But a team like Dallas or Phoenix or Boston (Nets) or Miami or New Orleans or even Minnesota then yes I would Absolutely pick Fultz #1 or Ball or even Harry Giles (if he has a great year & stays healthy) b/c those teams Must land a scoring PG. I still think the T-Wolves should have picked a Jamal Murray b/c his lack of athleticism would have been nullified b/c Wiggins & KAT will draw attention & J Murray could have played the sg w/ Rubio. And then this year they could have drafted a PG b/c I don;t believe Rubio OR Kris Dunn is a long term option as the starting pg. Dallas could build around Fultz or a Phoenix back court of Fultz & Booker would be devestating. Even Boston, I really think they should go BPA b/c it’s pretty clear the team currently constructed is not going to win a Title. 

 

 

 

[Robb_CParticipant]

I think hes a number one option, I see him as one of the top shooting guards in the league within 5 years, hes going to be a star

[binetParticipant]

 The guy can’t shoot already at the College level and you think he’s a number 1 option as a SG? He clearly is not. His shooting is not good. Only prospect I can remember with this much hype and a worse shot is Aaron Gordon, and he was not projected to ever be a 2 guard.

Josh Jackson still is a very interesting prospect because he brings a lot defensively and has a good IQ, but he has a lot of deficiencies in shooting and shot creation, while being 1 or 2 years older than anyone else.

Giannis is the only guy sometimes listed as a 2 guard (guy is positionless though, not a pure 2) that is successful and does not have a good shot, and he can do so much more than Jackson, plus has a way better body with his combination of size, length and athleticism that is stellar.

 

 

 

[Robb_CParticipant]

Being a great shooter in College is not an "end all be all" pre requisite to NBA success, Clyde Drexler wasnt the greatest shooter either and ended up being all-nba.. I believe Jacksons jumper will improve. We obviously disagree on Jacksons prospect but thats ok.. Still lots of basketball left. 

 

[Robb_CParticipant]

Being a great shooter in College is not an "end all be all" pre requisite to NBA success, Clyde Drexler wasnt the greatest shooter either and ended up being all-nba.. I believe Jacksons jumper will improve. We obviously disagree on Jacksons prospect but thats ok.. Still lots of basketball left. 

 

[JoeWolf1]

Jackson has impressed me as a ball player. He’s smart, and is a way better distributor than I thought, and that is perfect, because he’s not going to be a take over offensive player in the NBA anytime soon (although he could very well develop into one).

He’s very well rounded as a ball player, and I think he could be a very very good pro with some polish. Like I indicated earlier, he doesn’t strike me as the type of guy who’ll waltz into the league next year and drop 18 points per game, but he does so many things well, including defense. He’ll always get compared to Wiggins due to their position and school choice, but I think defensively he’s potentially more dangerous is that he’s insanely disruptive, and productive. Wiggins was different, in the sense that he’d shut people down, he had that crazy length, but he wasn’t as aggressive in the passing lanes, nor was he as explosive in terms of making something out of nothing on D.

There’s a lot of season left, and I’ve seen him get hot and take over at times, so I’d obviously like to get a larger sample size of that type of aggression. Shot needs work, but it’s not broken, so the fact he’s a plus defender, creates for others, and really hits the glass get me excited. He’s not a one dimensional guy you need to help add more dimensions…he’s multi-dimensional already…he just needs some polish.

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