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A Jordan Question

A simple question for some of the older people here. What players had the most success versus MJ? Not particularly winning but just a player who always seemed to play good versus him like how Melo plays harder vs KD and Lebron or how when Nick Young used to play for Washington he always stepped it up scoring wise vs Kobe and Wade....


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well payton bottled him in

well payton bottled him in the 96 finals. They had GP gaurding pippen the first couple games and then switched him to MJ the last 3 or 4 games of the series and jordan struggled and the sonics got back in the series. Also John Starks always took the matchup seriously and would make MJ work hard.

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took forever to defeat the pistons

i am not old but i jordan once said joe dumars was his toughest opponent to score on and the pistons beat him up. celebrity dean cain beat him one on one before. john starks and gerald wilkins had some success against him. they also got torched by him afterwards. i would have liked to see micheal ray richardson play against him.

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R.I.P Reggie Lewis

I heard that back in the day Reggie Lewis of the Boston Celtics used to give MJ fits. He was one of the few guys who could match up with him physically and athletically.

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I remember Jordan saying that

I remember Jordan saying that Mitch Richmond was one of his toughest matchups.

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MJ said his toughest

MJ said his toughest adversary at UNC was Len Bias. He always said Joe Dumars played him the best while in the NBA. They graduated in the same HS class also (1981). Gerald Wilkens was called "The Jordan Stopper"...but...I never understood how he got that name. Clyde Drexler was probably the second best 2-guard during the Jordan era and you can throw Mitch Richmond's name also as Drexler got older. Reggie Miller had some heated battles with MJ as well. Jordan was the G.O.A.T obviously...and in reality...no one stopped this dude.

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This guy used to be one of

This guy used to be one of his toughest opponents defensively

Physically - he copped a few hard fouls by these guys....

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well

Defense- Gary Payton, John Starks and Joe Dumars

true story everytime he had an hard time agaisnt these he somehow managed to beat them and had to work harder

Offense- Mitch Richmond, Clyde Drexler and Reggie Miller... this where show games but the best i ever see was really Mitch Richmond vs MJ, and Drexler vs MJ another great matchup...

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!

Laimbeer looks like he's trying to snap his neck!

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That's because he was ha

That's because he was ha

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Drazen Petrovic

It was only for a couple of seasons, but I remember very few players who could get into Jordan's head like Petrovic. I seem to remember MJ taking a swipe at him in one game where Petro seemed to get the better of him.

And for Raptor fans (and King's fans): Doug Cristie. Not a super star by any means, but maybe the best defensive player to play for the Raptors. Seemed to play his career games versus Jordan.

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Kind of crazy

If you really look at match-ups, Michael pretty much killed every SG he went up against during that time. I will post some that people have mentioned:

Drazen Petrovic: http://bkref.com/tiny/RmJoj (Michael was 10-1, and in the win Drazen played 2 minutes)

Reggie Miller: http://bkref.com/tiny/fjSfo (Michael was 32-17 regular season, had that one 7 game series the Bulls won. Thought I remembered Reggie being closer numbers wise, he wasn't. Know Reggie made some amazing clutch shots, Mike was just so much more consistent on the whole, which is not a surprise)

Clyde Drexler: http://bkref.com/tiny/19lQN (Michael was 10-7 regular season, won the 1992 finals in 6. Clyde was truly the best SG in the league bar none before his first retirement, Michael regularly torched him and more than likely had his best NBA Finals against that Blazer team, leading to them being teammates on the Dream Team)

Mitch Richmond: http://bkref.com/tiny/SuZrh (Michael was 13-4. Actually kind of funny, Mitch outscored Mike and won his first ever game against him as a rookie in 1988, a home game with the Warriors. Goes to Chicago, Michael messes around and gets a triple double to get him back. Overall, Michael tended to get the better of him in about every facet. Mitch was super consistent over his first 10 seasons, but never close to Mike)

Gary Payton: http://bkref.com/tiny/TcGgD (Michael was 10-5 regular season, won the 1996 Finals in 6. Know GP is a PG, just wanted to get him on here as he was mentioned. Will say that llperez is on to something in that the Glove played him really well and Michael had his worst Finals by far that year, only one in which averaged less than 31 ppg as he was held to 27.3 in that series. Still, not exactly Boston in 2010 or Dallas 2011 stopping LeBron)

Joe Dumars: http://bkref.com/tiny/KM7cI (Michael was 27-21 in regular season, Dumars 12-10 in the Play-offs. 12-6 until the Bulls finally jumped over the hump to beat Detroit on the way to their first finals. I know Detroit played him well and had the "Jordan rules", but look at what Michael was doing in 1990. What more could he really do? He was never really "stopped", maybe just a tad less affective than normal)

John Starks: http://bkref.com/tiny/BPZQH (Michael 18-6 regular season, 15-6 play-offs. The Knicks gave the Jordan Bulls a tough series in 1993, going up 2-0 with Starks having a solid Game 1. But, Michael pretty much owned him a vast majority of the time)

Gerald Wilkins: http://bkref.com/tiny/6fZ02 (Michael 28-11 regular season, 15-5 play-offs. Gerald Wilkins being called "the Jordan stopper" should be taken with the same grain of salt as Ruben Patterson being called, or calling himself, "the Kobe stopper")

Reggie Lewis: http://bkref.com/tiny/CZO4c (Michael was 16-8. Reggie had a few nice games and was getting closer as he of course got older. Still, Michael for the most part torched him like everyone else)

Here is one guy I know who stepped up when he played MJ. Actually lit him up for 44 (in a loss mind you, but shot 16-32 FG) on his way to a 5 game streak scoring over 40 points. A number of his games against Michael were when he was past his prime and all were after that first retirement, just is fun to reminisce:

Allen Iverson: http://bkref.com/tiny/Na0iD (Michael still was 7-6 in the series, though AI averaged 29.8 ppg to Michael's 23.5 ppg on relatively similar FG%)

Also, a few for fun as well, guys who either did not play the same position of were not mentioned:

Kobe Bryant: http://bkref.com/tiny/DUNKV (They unfortunately missed each other primes almost completely, but Kobe was 5-3 against Michael, 3-1 against him on Washington. Also, Kobe went for 55 on the Wizards in their last meeting. Michael scored 23 in the same amount of minutes, Kobe had 9 triples. Torch passed)

Magic Johnson: http://bkref.com/tiny/fOqBD (Michael 7-6 regular season, though 6-6 before each of their first retirements. Michael won his first NBA finals against the Lakers in a 4-1 series. Not to mention averaged 11.4 apg to Magic's 12.4 in that series, 6.6 rpg to Magic's 8 and outscored him 31.2-18.6. Plus, Mike shot close to 56% FG to Magic's 43%. Another case of the torch being passed, though unfortunately Magic would retire before the 1992 season)

Larry Bird: http://bkref.com/tiny/AltqA (Bird 17-11 regular season, 6-0 play-offs. These guys had some epic battles. Michael's average in those 6 play-off losses was 39.7 ppg, including that 63 point game against that incredible 1986 Celtic team. Bird was such a beast. Obviously the two rarely if ever guarded each other, think that was mostly Dennis Johnson's job, but still cool to see how they matched-up in games against each other)

Dominique Wilkins: http://bkref.com/tiny/WeAv9 (Michael 27-18 regular season, swept Nique's Hawks in the 1993 first round. Still, Nique put up 29.8 ppg over those 45 games and 30 in the play-offs. Michael still put up more, on better shooting and doing more in other facets as well. Know these guys again were probably not matched-up with each other, just fun to see as Nique was one of the leagues premier scorers during Michael's early years)

Bernard King: http://bkref.com/tiny/ytcdy (Michael 16-7 regular season. Bernard was the ppg leader during Michael's rookie season and while considered more of a SF, was just a great scorer in his own right. Had some really nice games against Mike early on, though Michael of course had some monster games as well)

Alex English: http://bkref.com/tiny/XFAw9 (Michael was 7-5 regular season. Alex was the runner-up to Michael for his first scoring title and actually scored the most points during the decade of the 80's. His first game he outscored him 24-17 and got the W. Their next H2H in Chicago, Michael went for 35 (11-16 FG, 13-15 FT)-14-15 in a win. AS A ROOKIE!)

Sidney Moncrief: http://bkref.com/tiny/YZZzx (Michael was 15-7 regular season, Sidney was 3-1 in the play-offs as he ended Michael's rookie season in the play-offs. Not to mention, went for 26.5 ppg on near 55% FG, while Mike went for 29.3 ppg on 43.6%. Sidney was the premier defensive guard of the early-mid 80's, winning the first two Defensive Player of the Year awards ever handed out. He had some great games against Michael as a rookie, though over time the advantage went to MJ. As we see in most cases during Michael's prime years)

Charles Barkley: http://bkref.com/tiny/M3HJ4 (This one was purely just for fun, lol. Charles was 20-19 over in the regular season, Michael was 12-4 in the play-offs. Just remember reading in I believe SLAM about Charles epiphany during the 1993 season that he may not have been the best basketball player in the world, which he thought he was after winning the MVP. Man could he rebound, though. Charles was great, just no one was touching Michael at that time)

I know that W-L is not everything, just wanted to give a little breakdown. Like every player, Michael had his good days and bad days. Seems his good was just so much better than about any player we have ever seen and usually put him far in front of his peers at the time. Thought that if you wanted to see who stepped up for Michael and how they played against him, this might not be the moment or memory in time, but it gives kind of a landscape for where these guys stood against him when matched-up.

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ok

yep Richmond really outscored Jordan by 1 pt lol, but rebounds, assists, steals he outscored Richmond, in that game Jordan didn't attack the basket at all lol, he only used his jumpshot, because jordan made 4 fts in that game only and he made it all lols

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stats

i only put the best defensive players against him stat wise

Michael Jordan vs Joe Dumars stats

MJ- 47,3 fg% 25,8 3pt% 84,3 ft% 6,5 rpg 5,6 apg 2,2 spg 31,1 ppg

MJ vs John Starks stats

MJ- 46,7 fg% 31,1 3pt% 84,6ft% 5,8 rpg 4,6apg 2,0 spg 31,8 ppg

MJ vs Gary Payton stats

MJ- 47 fg% 17 3pt% 87 ft% 7,9 rpg 3,7 apg 2,2 spg 30,5 ppg

MJ vs Sidney Moncrief

MJ- 52 fg% 86 ft% 6,2 rpg 5,9 apg 2,2 spg 1,3 bpg 31,6 ppg

the truth is YOU CAN'T STOP JORDAN YOU CAN ONLY HOPE TO CONTAIN HIM xD

MJ vs Kobe

MJ- 43 fg% 30 3pt% 75 ft% 4,3 rpg 3,6 apg 1,1 spg 24,5 ppg

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I'm biased since I grew up in

I'm biased since I grew up in the Bay, but Mitch Richmond always played him tough. Mitch was strong as an ox, and had a nice offensive game to make MJ work a little bit. I believe MJ scored in single digits in one of their meetings ( sounds wrong, but that is what I recall ).

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well your wrong cabbycab the worst game he had against Richmond he shot 50% only with 12 FGA he had 14 pts, 8 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl and 1 blk

MJ won 13 games vs Richmond

MJ stats- 53 fg% 38 3pt% 85 ft% 5,5 apg 7,1 rpg 1,9 spg 28,6 ppg

i forgot to put these too

MJ vs Gerald Wilkins

MJ stats- 50 fg% 31 3pt% 83 ft% 6,0 rpg 5,3 apg 3,0 spg 30,8 ppg

every game hae played against good players offensive or defensive he had the best all around stats than them Points, Rebounds, Assists, steals, points and even blocks

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