Terrence Jones has impressed me thus far. But im hoping he and Knight can carry their team further into the tournament than Wall and Cousins did...because i love Terrence's game. I personally think he has the best chance at being successful in the NBA because he has that perfect SF body and has the tools to be a successful NBA player. Sure he has things to work on like his shooting mechanics but that can be fixed if worked on. Now i havent seen Perry Jones play much but what i have seen i have loved from him! He is a very solid all around player and i think he could be a very good NBA player. I hear people saying he is more of a PF than a SF. But i think otherwise. I see him being a Kevin Durant type player because he is a sub-seven footer but he has that nice outside game...i know he has A LOT of work to do to be a KD type player but i think it could happen. To me the Jones boys are my top 2 prospects whether you like it or not.
I would agree that Terrence Jones is a legit Top 3 prospect. His game reminds me so much of Jamaal Mashburn. I think his highest NBA ceiling is SF who average 24PPG, with the ability to play a little bit of PF.
Perry Jones on the other hand, I have mix feelings with. I cant help but see Tim Thomas in him. And by the way, Perry Jones and Durant play nothing a like. Durant is lethal in the 3 pointer coming out of Texas, Perry J on the other hand has a total of 8 three point shot attempts all season, thats right EIGHT 3PT attempts, so comparing him to Durant doesn't make sense.
I always thought that Perry Jones and Kyrie Irving were the top 2 prospects at the beginning of the season, but now that Kyrie's hurt and most likely won't enter the draft til next year, I'd say that Terrence Jones has moved up as the 2nd best prospect. Jared Sullinger is better than both right now, but doesn't have the potential that the other 2 have.
Terrence Jones is a decent prospect to me, but he's a role player in the mold of Marvin Williams in my eyes. Right now he puts up numbers and is a huge mismatch, but in the NBA will he be able to overpower SF's who will be just about his size? Will he be able to simply outquick PF's? I don't think he will to the tune that most do. He's not so quick to the point he can be a huge mismatch for NBA PF's in most cases, and his perimeter game isn't so great that he'll seemlessly play SF. He's probably simply decent as a shooter (I don't think he's going to be a 3-point shooting threat early in his career), and his ball-handling is mediocre for a SF, and his 1st step isn't much better. I see a standard 3rd or even 4th option scorer in Terrence Jones.
Iggy, I think you are sleeping on his potential alot. Name a more effective freshman freshman Wing with size even close to his the past 3 years. Haven't had anything even close to him since Beasley. Guys like him don't come out every year.
Jones has been very effective, has real good NBA size, and is a good athlete. He plays with a meanstreak unlike Marvin Williams, and has the instinct to dominate that even this far into his career Marvin has never shown. You criticized his handle, but I think as far as freshman PF's go, he is an incredible ball handler. He obviously has things to work on, but has a good feel for the game, and is agressive on both ends.
One thing that sticks out to me, and is a small trait that I really like in prospects, is that he keeps himself in elite condition. That shows to me that he works hard, and is going to keep improving his game and body. He could easily end up 235-240 and still be pretty mobile.
He reminds me of Al Harrington or Jeff Green. His ceiling is pretty high IMO, he could end up better than either of those.
hey Terrence os already 244 so YES he already can overpower most of nba sf's and i believe outquick some pf pretty easily too.
perry jones= jonathan bender(what he supposed to be)
Jon Bender would of probably been a solid NBA player had it not been for the injuries.
And Terrence Jones is a ready to go starting NBA Small Forward. He got better handles then people give him credit for he use to run point forward a lot in AAU ball and make flashy passes which he obviously don't do at Kentucky point is that he doesn't get to show off his full arsenal only what he's most effective at which makes him even better he plays within himself. And he will still be close to 18 come draft time.
I respect most of your opinion because your one of the few good posters around here, but I think your really low-balling T.Jones' NBA ceiling. For a 19 year old, Terrence is very "heady" for a player his age and his combination of size and skills I would consider elite. Sure he doesn't have an explosive first step and a high vertical, but he's a strong, crafty, skilled forward much like Mashburn and Antoine Walker who were elite scorers in NBA during their prime.
Terrence Jones = Thaddeus Young
Terrence Jones might equal Thad Young right now not Thad Young as a freshman at Georgia Tech which shows how far ahead of the development stage Terrence is right now. And he does remind me of Thad the most but Thad is a lot quicker but not as strong or long or Terrence and he's not the pure scorer Jones is. Jones NBA numbers project more towards somebody like Wilson Chandler.
At absolute best I see Terrence Jones being similar to Jeff Green. A combo forward/tweener who gets you 15 or 16 ppg and about 6 rpg and 2 apg. He's not an elite scorer, I don't see him ever being a 24 ppg scorer like someone said his highest upside is. No NBA team is going to run that much offense through him, and he's not a good enough off-ball player to ever put up that much without plays being run for him. Nobody is.
Yeah Terrance Jones playmaking skills are being hidden at Kentucky ..Becuz coach Cal wants him playing more like a power forward...Jones still displays those great passing & ball handling skills at times,during games..Which will also help him at the next level....Some of you guys might not have heard of Terry C/ummings,he played at Depaul in the early 80's and made several All Star teams..C/ummings was both a physical & finesse player with good rebounding & passing skills and improved his shot,once he got to the nba...C/ummings was 1 of the most underrated forwards in the 80's..Thats who Terrance reminds me of..
Cal has a great group of assistants that view footage of incoming players and they try to put them in positions to be successful...Look at Cousins last year,Cal told him his place was in the post and Cousins became the best big man in the country and a 1st team All American as a freshman..If you saw Cousins play in high school,he hung out on the perimeter trying to be a guard and trying to dominate every part of the game..
Cal also made Tyreke Evans a much better player once Evans was moved to the point,his draft stock rose.....
Whenever the names "Johnathon Bender" and "Tim Thomas" are coming up, you are probably talking about a risk not worth taking No.1.
after seeing tim thomas his freshman year...i thought tim thomas would be a star in the nba..
I Think T. Jones at best is better then Jeff Green. He's already better then Green was a freshman at every aspect of the game. It Green is his ceiling then that's saying he will develop at a very slow rate.
I don't know why some keep comparing Perry to Durant when there games are NOTHING alike. the only thing they have in common is height, that's where the comparison ends.
Tim thomas always had the talent to be a star but not the work ethic or drive
"I Think T. Jones at best is better then Jeff Green. He's already better then Green was a freshman at every aspect of the game. It Green is his ceiling then that's saying he will develop at a very slow rate."
That's not necessarily true. Green rebounded at nearly the same number (Jones gets .5 more rebounds a game), was much more efficient (Jones scores at 43% from the field, Green was at 50% as a Fr.), and Green was a better 3-point shooter (Jones is at 33% and Green was a 40% 3-point shooter). Jones also converts a VERY modest 46% on 2-point field goals, which is well below average for a combo forward who is supposed to be a top 5 pick. That's actually below average for a SF/PF prospect period. Green, on the other hand, was a 53% shooter from 2-point range. Jones also is a much worse passer and off-ball player than Green has ever been, and he's not very aware or smart on D, not yet at least. Jones gets .5 more blocks than Green did, and .4 more steals though. It's not much of a difference between Jones' Fr. season and Green's, the only difference is Jones is on a longer leash and plays in a more individualized system with Coach Cal, whereas Green was a Fr. playing in a VERY structured Princeton offense at G'Town.
Jones scores more, albeit with much less efficiency, because he's a volume shooter. His lack of efficiency also shows me that he probably shouldn't be looked at as a 1st or 2nd option, which he'd certainly have to be to be a 24 ppg (per some expectations)/deservingly top level scorer, especially since he's doing so against OK competition, since UK has played some good teams and bad teams. I expect Jones to put up decent numbers in the SEC season, but he's not a future top scoring option from what I've seen.
JayNixon I applaud the research you have done that left out that fact Jones scores at a higher clip and is a Player of the Year candidate as an 18 year old freshman and is the Alpha Dog on a top 10 team in the nation who has the potential to completely take games over something Green never showed during his freshman is rarely every at G'Town untill maybe Tourney time his JR. Year.
But Green and Jones do have a similar build and similar athleticism. Green tested out to be a better athlete then expected at the combine and that was a huge reason why he went 5th and Jones i think is going to test very well too. Jones looks to be a legitimate 6'9 and we already know he has a 7 foot plus wingspan but he also appears to be a solid 240 atleast and will probably have good 3/4 sprint numbers.
At first Terrence reminded me a lot of Glen Robinson based on their body and inside outside ability but that is a very bad comparison because Robinson was a pure scoring forward who always had a deadly jumper and Jones is more of a versatile forward who will score because he can. Ever since Jones got to Kentucky every interview he has had he has talked about playing harder, and having to play hard. It's that type of mentality that gives him that killer instinct which teams crave. That same killer instinct Jeff Green never had nor will he ever have.
Oh and Tim Thomas without a doubt had all the ability to become a star. If anybody saw him play as a freshman at Villanova it was hard to imagine him not being a force in the NBA. He was such a touted prospect the Sixers actually thought about taking him 2nd over Van Horn before making the trade with the Nets because Thomas was still on the board at 7. Thomas just didn't have any drive. In college Terrence Jones remind me more of Thomas then Perry does. Because Thomas had the ability to slash and shoot. Perry is really just a slasher at this point. Tim Thomas could dunk on you, shoot over you, dribble around you, and make the nice pass all while standing 6'10.
Perry Jones don't seem to suffer form the same problem and already has improved significantly since his dreadful SR year of high school. P Jones got the weight to play PF in the pro's but I think he is best suited at Small Forward and reminds me a lot of Rudy Gay at the same stage of development. Perry Jones looks just like Anthony Randolph but they are not the same caliber prospects.
I'm going by watching them. i watched Gtown just as much as i watched Maryland. Anyone who watched both alot as a freshmen can clearly tell the difference.
Going by just looking at numbers they may seem to be on the same level as freshmen but watching them shows a much different story. This is one of those cases where numbers only tell half the story
I watched both too obviously, but there is no merit in saying Green wasn't better AT ANYTHING as a Fr. than Jones when there are stats that say otherwise. You couldn't have been watching either Green or Jones enought o say something like that when it's obvious you were EXTREMELY wrong inmaking your statement. Green was just as productive despite playing on a team were he was the 3rd option, as opposed to Jones putting up inefficient numbers as the 1st option.
"Going by just looking at numbers they may seem to be on the same level as freshmen but watching them shows a much different story. This is one of those cases where numbers only tell half the story"
What was the point of you're statement that Green wasn't better than Jones AT ANYTHING as a Fr. then? He clearly was, in fact, better at a bunch of things. Stats tell the full story that he was better at alot of things. Jones is putting up numbers on a team based on individual stats, and Green was scoring in a very structured system at G'Town. And yet and still, they posted stats very similar, with Jones being much less efficient as a scorer. I don't know what "side of the story" could possibly be missing.
. Green wasn't even a draft prospect as a freshman, if he would have came out he would not have gotten drafted. Green got better as a player as the years went on. That's going by watching him not only in games but at DOC's gym in D.C.
They were not the same as freshmen, like i said Jones is better then Green was as a freshman
Also Gtwon wasn't that good of a team then. And if you weren't from the D.C/Maryland area then you didn't see many of there games because they weren't on tv much and there wasn't online sites to watch there games
"Green wasn't even a draft prospect as a freshman, if he would have came out he would not have gotten drafted. Green got better as a player as the years went on. That's going by watching him not only in games but at DOC's gym in D.C."
......None of that has anything to do with Jones being better than Green "at everything" as a Fr. At all. There is nothing that points to it being even remotely correct either.
I'll just making it simple. From watching both players extensively Terrence Jones is better than Jeff Green was as a freshman. not to mention Jeff Green was only a legit 6'7 as a Freshman and wasn't very aggressive at the time. I may not watch every team and every player and know every single player and how they were as freshman like you claim to know but i do know every Gtown and Maryland players games since Len Bias death, Most of which I've seen in person and played with or against. Jones ceiling is higher then becoming Jeff Green.
You're more then entitled to you're opinion and unless you have lived in the area you may have seen 5 games max of Jeff Green as a freshman and have to go by that and stats,So I'm not gonna tell you who is better by what you think, I'm gonna go by the many games i saw at Gtown and during the summer . Jeff Green was a good freshman on a so-so Gtown team
"I may not watch every team and every player and know every single player and how they were as freshman like you claim to know"
Ehhhh, never claimed to know that.
"but i do know every Gtown and Maryland players games since Len Bias death, Most of which I've seen in person and played with or against. Jones ceiling is higher then becoming Jeff Green."
Based on what? The fact that he's better as a freshman than Green was at everything right? Wrong.
"You're more then entitled to you're opinion and unless you have lived in the area you may have seen 5 games max of Jeff Green as a freshman and have to go by that and stats,So I'm not gonna tell you who is better by what you think, I'm gonna go by the many games i saw at Gtown and during the summer . Jeff Green was a good freshman on a so-so Gtown team"
5 games is enough to pick up on things involving a college player. It was simply wrong to say that Jones was better than Jones at everything as a Fr. It's not a matter of being entitled to an opinion. It's fact that he wasn't. Fact proven by statistical evidence. I didn't make the stats up, the players did. You can't get so wrapped up in watching someone play and living in D.C. or whatever you said that you feel like you can just throw out statements that are so far from the truth it's ridiculous just because you watch them play alot. That doesn't make sense and it holds no merit. Simple as that.
not even gonna read everything you said because i know im right on this one. Simple fact Jone sis better then Green was as a freshman. I'd love to say Green, a fellow area player, was better as a freshman but that just wouldn't be the truth.
I'm asking other are people on facebook and Gtown fans if they think Green was better as a freshman and not one can agree. Ask for you're self
It still doesn't mean you're right because you didn't read it lol.
The facts are you think Green was as good and that's ceiling Jones ceiling. I dont case closed. Any debate beyond that is just pointless silliness so do what I'm doing and just move on and see how Jone's career plays out
Now that that is settled on to another subject which is Perry Jones. This kid does kinda remind me of Bender but doesn't have the jumper bender has and seems to be a better athlete. I would like to see him get a Lil more consistent. I must say he is playing harder and better then i though he would before the season started
at best: Terrence Jones = Jeff Green meet Stephen Jackson
Terrance Jones is much more advanced than Green was as a freshman....
Alot of the top prospects have questions...And neither of them right now are as good as they're going to be...Hopefully after the tournament someone will have separated himself from the rest of the pack...
Or Whoever gets the 1st pick will have 5 or 6 guys come in for workouts.....In the past the team with the 1st pick only workout 2 players...
how about this... terrence jones= terrence jones
perry jones= perry jones
i dont understand y u ppl compare them to players i dont understand how they play like other ppl, everybodys play is unique and to tell u the truth perry jones really doesnt remind me of anyone, plays NOTHING like kd
when you have never seen a player play...comparing him to a well known player helps to give an idea of what you should expect from the player.....
I like terrence better than perry jones and harrison barnes.
I think terrence jones will be slightly better than Jeff Green. Green is a good comparison but i think terrence will turn out better.