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Joe Wolf's Mock 2.0

My first post lottery mock draft. Nothing too crazy here, just trying to process the draft order and weigh in any combine buzz or individual team interests.

Feel free to comment, ask questions or post dissenting opinions.


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From what I have seen and

From what I have seen and read Schroder would or could be a good pick for the Jazz at 14 but some of the things I have read about his character issues, partying mentality etc make him a player with red flags that the Jazz may not want to take a risk on. If that is the case then I think the Jazz may go big, especially if they don't bring back either Big Al or Milsap.

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Huh, I never heard that about

Huh, I never heard that about Dennis. I actually like Larkin and Canaan more, but I know they won't go that high. Either one of those guys would be available at 21 if they choose to get a big at 14.

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There was a thread earlier

There was a thread earlier this week on it. Someone knows a guy who played with Dennis overseas and said he has a big ego and a poor teammate mentality, but that he has the potential to be a really great player. I think a team with a strong veteran presence like Dallas could be a positive environment for him to flourish in.

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ive been trying to find in

ive been trying to find in the internet similar reports about concerning Schroeder's attitude and i cant find any. no praises or red flags. the most i saw was that on other forums, they hear that he's cocky or arrogant, but nothing specific. having said all that, its hard to believe a single post from a guy's friend as a reliable source. im not saying its not true, but i cant really give it more credit since nothing has come out yet specifically..

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http://nbadrafttiers.com/ways

http://nbadrafttiers.com/ways-the-2013-nba-draft-could-repeat-history/ - scroll to Rondo/Schroeder comparison
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/perspective-friend-about-dennis-schroeder-0 - here is the original post I mentioned

I also found another forum that described the same problem. It may be difficult to find sources because the team he played for is apparently not all that great, and its highly doubtful any of these have been documented outside of the German community, language barrier.

I'm not saying he is going to be a problem, its just something to acknowledge.

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thanks for the first link

thanks for the first link man, i never heard or visited that site before. is it closer to basketball reporting sites such as hoopsworld, hoopshype or yahoo sports? or is it like a glorified blogger site such as bleacher report? that would be a big help on giving credit on the report of schroeder being a head case since i dont think utah touches draft prospects with attitude issues despite their talent.

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I'm from germany and tried to

I'm from germany and tried to figure this character issues out by myself since I read it here more and more. Fact is, that Dennis has a very strong character. He had some missed training sessions with his team in the past, was suspended for a short time (or games not sure about that) and was crying to the media for more playing time when he was still not 18 years old. He lost his father 3 years ago and then started taking basketball more serious but his 'incidents' have been after the death of his father. Personally I think once he realised how gifted he is, he started rushing it all a bit and couldn't back up his ego and ambitions with his play. It's not like 17/18 year old talents are given much playing time often in the pro leagues. You have to take into account that he competes with veterans for playing time who aren't exactly millionairs playing for small clubs in germany and need to extend their careers as long as possible to be relevant financial.

To me his talent is undeniable and is on par with guys like Burke, MCW, McCullum or Larkin. It's up to you if you think how good this level at the 1 is this year... Not too high in my opinion. BUT he is a leader and wants to be one, is an underrated defender, athlete and has a very good feel for the pace of the game, what is his biggest stenght to me. His shot is good for a player his age but I'm not sure if NBA three point range is already there. He is very competetive which is a good sign to me. He somehow reminds me a bit of Tony Parkers situation when he came over. Got a lot of hype as a special talent out of europe and needed to some time to find his shot from long range. I'm not saying he is the next Tony Parker or will reach his level but the talent is there to be special.

The biggest concern to me is not his character but his body. He is really rail thin and sometimes players with ghanaian (spell?) never really fill out well. Some of the african guys are just beasts but some of them can't really add muscles to their frame. I tend to say Dennis won't really fill out well and his lack of strength might hurt him a lot and will prevent him from playing major minutes which he really needs to play at some point if he will be a full time starter.

Finally his character should be all right in the right situation. If he falls to a team like Sacto it might be a blow but a veteran team team where he needs to grow in to earn some respect should only help him. Utah might be that place if they find a new coach but I still think he isn't ready right now to start. 1 or 2 years of the bench playing behind someone like Mo Williams and a few pounds more will help him a lot.

His ceiling might be somewhere between Mo Williams and Jameer Nelson to me. His biggest advantage is he can defend pretty well which makes him more valuable and should earn him minutes in his early career. In the end you need patience with him and he needs to be coached really well in a good situation. Dallas might be another good fit for him but they already have Collison and RoddyB and first of all the Mavs have to decide which direction they want to go this summer.

But is problems in the past are no red flag to me especially if you consider that other point guards from this draft aren't exactly finished products or less risky (MCWs shot or Larkins ability to adapt to the league). If my teams has no other major holes to fill somewhere between picks 13 and 25 I would take the risk with him.

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Plumblee dropping to 21 would

Plumblee dropping to 21 would be something and definitely a player the Jazz should look at snatching up if he drops that far, I'd like to see the Jazz get some players that can create off the dribble as well as hit the 3. Snell seems to be climbing up the board and players like Rice Jr , Hardaway, or Crabbe could be possiblities.

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big men always rise right

big men always rise right before the draft. That would be my general comment.

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Why not Oladipo for

Why not Oladipo for Charlotte? If the Bobcats/Hornets are going to start winning the need to become a good defensive team right?. Having Oladipo and MKG would give them 2 annoying, relentless defenders, high IQ players, etc. While Bennett gives them offense and little to no D

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Charlotte drafted MKG and

Charlotte drafted MKG and Jeff Taylor last season. Their best front court players are a 20 year old who rebounds and blocks shots, a 7 footer that loves shooting 3's and Tyrus Thomas. Fact of the matter is they can't score and they can't rebound. They're 26th and 27th in those categories and Bennett gives you both. Oladipo is in the mix there, especially if they don't plan on bringing back Henderson, but Bennett has the potential of a high teens scorer and big rebounder. They're not the 04' Pistons, they gotta get some scoring at some point.

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Celtics

No way Shabazz to the Celtics....they have enough hero ballers already and not with those five 6-9+ guys you have available at that pick

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They have hero ballers over

They have hero ballers over 35, It might not hurt to have a guy who looks for his shot who they can bring along. I think Bazz could learn a lot from a guy like Pierce.

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Joe, I like Larkin alot and

Joe, I like Larkin alot and think he would be a good fit with the Jazz if we could get him at 21 but my worry is his defense, I love what he brings offensively but his size makes me worry that he will be a liability on defense. I haven't looked at Canaan , what do you like about him?
Just watched alittle bit on Karasev and I like what I saw, the Jazz need shooters and players who can pass and distribute and Karasev looks like a good passer as well as a pretty good shooter, he has good size for a 2 and seems to have a high BB IQ.
I like what I have seen regarding Giannis but I haven't heard much about him lately and the excitement about him seems to have decreased, the Jazz aren't a team to take alot of chances, they try to do thing with the highest percentage of possible success but I'd love to see them take a chance on Giannis.

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Canaan kind of reminds me of

Canaan kind of reminds me of a stronger more physical Eric Maynor. He's a guy you could plug into a playoff team or team fighting for a playoff spot and he could give you minutes from day one. He could score if you needed him as a bench spark or he could run your offense or both. He'd be a safe pick, and he tested as a great athlete and is a longer player than Larkin with a 6'5'' wingspan and a standing reach 5'' higher.

I don't know if he's your point guard of the future, but he's a safe pick and an NBA ready guy.With Williams, Tinsley, and Foye free agents, picking up an NBA ready PG makes a lot of sense to me.

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I think it's a pretty good

I think it's a pretty good mock. A couple of things that stood out to me: I think if Dennis Schroeder is available at 13 Dallas takes him, and with Ersan Ilyasova and Larry Sanders, I think the Bucks would take Shabazz Muhammed at 15.

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Thanks for the feedback. The

Thanks for the feedback.

The reasons I have those picks the way they are is that Dallas, from what I hear, is shopping their pick hard, so team needs played no part in the 13th pick. I just had the highest guy on my big board.

Also, despite the Bucks' pretty solid front court, they've brought in a lot of big guys for workouts thus far. With Ellis and Jennings both controlling the ball and demanding many shots, I just don't see Bazz fitting in there, although I will agree, I think he's going to have a better career than Gobert.

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I have the top 6 the exact

I have the top 6 the exact same. Bennett fits well with Charlotte because they have nobody that can score inside.

I think McCollum will go closer to the top 10. If he does last past then I really would hope the Sixers would take him over Zeller. They need some scoring and as a guy who can play both guard positions he could take over Lou Williams role. They were pretty awful in the half court and he could be the best pure scorer in the draft. Zeller will be a good big guy to have in your rotation and the Sixers also need athletic bigs but he has a lot of issues that worry me.

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I like your picks except

I like your picks except Bennett to the Bobcats..I could see them making a stupid pick like this though.

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Wolves

Why Len?? Pek is most likely not going anywhere. The Wolves have a massive need for a 2 guard who has size, and can shoot the 3. Right now the guys that play the 2 for the Wolves are Luke Ridnour (a 6'2 175 lb. PG), JJ Barea (a 5"10 180 lb PG), and Lexi Shved (a 6'5 170 lb beanstalk, without a reliable outside shot). They all get abused by longer, heavier 2's.

If the Wolves think KCP has what it takes then I could see KCP at this slot. I think McCollum is viewed by the Wolves as too much of a combo guard (i.e. another small guy). If Hardaway impresses in workouts he could go here as well.

The Wolves could also use a SF who can defend and shoot the 3. Williams is coming along, but seems to play his best when he is a stretch 4 and can take the bigger slower guys outside. Williams struggles when trying to check 3's. The jury is still out on Williams, and he would probably do better somewhere where he can play as a stretch 4.

I just don't see Len. If Len gets picked in this slot, then it is for someone else.

Just my opinion.

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