[mixtape2003Participant]

Not sure if he has been talked about yet but man is he ballin’ this year. A shoe in for Most improved player, do ya’ll think he will get a max deal and if so will the Bulls match it? Or does he pull a Monroe and take the qaulifying offer and get a bigger payday the following season? Thoughts?

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

not only most improved player..but a candidate for the all star game and all nba teams…

his offensive production has shocked alot of people..he’s been their mvp this season…..

over the last 3 games he’s averaging 31 pts.50%fg & 50% on 3s…..and he’s made tony snell a 4gotten man….

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

not only most improved player..but a candidate for the all star game and all nba teams…

his offensive production has shocked alot of people..he’s been their mvp this season…..

over the last 3 games he’s averaging 31 pts.50%fg & 50% on 3s…..and he’s made tony snell a 4gotten man….

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

not only most improved player..but a candidate for the all star game and all nba teams…

his offensive production has shocked alot of people..he’s been their mvp this season…..

over the last 3 games he’s averaging 31 pts.50%fg & 50% on 3s…..and he’s made tony snell a 4gotten man….

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

not only most improved player..but a candidate for the all star game and all nba teams…

his offensive production has shocked alot of people..he’s been their mvp this season…..

over the last 3 games he’s averaging 31 pts.50%fg & 50% on 3s…..and he’s made tony snell a 4gotten man….

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 He’s beat in the Raptors twice now we have no awnser for him with or without Derozan healthy.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 He’s beat in the Raptors twice now we have no awnser for him with or without Derozan healthy.

[prophetmeirParticipant]

He will get a max deal ( or near max) from somewhere else. I think the bulls wont match it. Just throwing it out there jimmy butler and E Moore for Tim hardaway and Iman Shumpurt. Could work

[prophetmeirParticipant]

He will get a max deal ( or near max) from somewhere else. I think the bulls wont match it. Just throwing it out there jimmy butler and E Moore for Tim hardaway and Iman Shumpurt. Could work

[fastdanParticipant]

Guy is playing like a full blown allstar and is 25. Signing him to 15mil a year won’t even get them in the luxury tax. You think 2 inefficient, one dimensional role players are fair value? You poor Knicks fans.

[fastdanParticipant]

Guy is playing like a full blown allstar and is 25. Signing him to 15mil a year won’t even get them in the luxury tax. You think 2 inefficient, one dimensional role players are fair value? You poor Knicks fans.

[GBeeParticipant]

 this is a joke right? your entire post is based on a false narrative and hope (if you are a knick fan).

[GBeeParticipant]

 this is a joke right? your entire post is based on a false narrative and hope (if you are a knick fan).

[prophetmeirParticipant]

Are you slow,  I just said that the bulls wont match his max contract . If they dont i think that could be a trade that they could look out. Not saying that they would . Of course hardaway is a one dim player right now ! he is with melo and jr if he was in the bulls culture you wouldnt think that would change? And Iman is a pretty good defender and they could help him along with his offense like they did Butler. Rather than lose him for nothing if they dont match. No knicks fan here I actually hate the knicks Hornets fan only.

[prophetmeirParticipant]

Are you slow,  I just said that the bulls wont match his max contract . If they dont i think that could be a trade that they could look out. Not saying that they would . Of course hardaway is a one dim player right now ! he is with melo and jr if he was in the bulls culture you wouldnt think that would change? And Iman is a pretty good defender and they could help him along with his offense like they did Butler. Rather than lose him for nothing if they dont match. No knicks fan here I actually hate the knicks Hornets fan only.

[Andrew1984Participant]

He’s also made a lot of people forget about Doug McDermott. I was convinced that McDermott would seriously contend for ROY, guessing that he’d be counted on to provide some offensive punch with Derrick Rose’s health being unpredictable. I also didn’t foresee Pau Gasol having his best offensive season in five years.

But McDermott is averaging 3 points in under 12 minutes per game and has only played in 17 games.

I personally still think Douglas will have a stellar career. It’s just not getting off to the ideal start, and Jimmy Butler’s emergence hasn’t helped!

[Andrew1984Participant]

He’s also made a lot of people forget about Doug McDermott. I was convinced that McDermott would seriously contend for ROY, guessing that he’d be counted on to provide some offensive punch with Derrick Rose’s health being unpredictable. I also didn’t foresee Pau Gasol having his best offensive season in five years.

But McDermott is averaging 3 points in under 12 minutes per game and has only played in 17 games.

I personally still think Douglas will have a stellar career. It’s just not getting off to the ideal start, and Jimmy Butler’s emergence hasn’t helped!

[Scott42444Participant]

…similar to Melo giving the Knicks a "hometown discount".  In reality, that was $121 million instead of $129 million.  This was a win/win for the Bulls to wait.  They get to test the market and pay him whatever the market shows, which will probably be a max contract.  His ability to get to the free throw line isn’t something that relegates him to a streaky shooter who can have a few bad years moving forward (I believe he shoots the 2nd most FT’s per game after Harden).  He is strong enough, and has worked on his footwork in the post so much, that he can take almost any other SG in the league into the post.  Those two things show that there are easy baskets in his future and this isn’t really a fluke.  Layups with a weaker, shorter man trying to guard him and free throws are translatable for every year moving forward.  Then, without Luol Deng being on the team anymore he is also tasked with guarding the best perimeter player on the other team (although Rose takes the PG and the league seems to have an all-star caliber PG on 80% of the teams, Butler takes the SG/SF that can cause the most damage.  When you factor in the advantage of having been coached by Thibs and having played meaningful minutes that past couple years and I think there are going to be teams VERY interested but I don’t think it’s going to matter.

But he’s not going anywhere.  The Bulls don’t have ANYONE who can take his role and they basically decided to part ways with Deng and have put their faith in Butler.  I don’t think he wants to, either.  I know most people think it’s CRAZY that a guy would take anything less than the max if they can get it on their 2nd contract but Noah did it because he likes the culture and the city.  I think Butler is in the same situation where he signs for a bit less than the max to give the Bulls the ability to add a player like Hinrich or Dunleavy in the future but he can get the max if he really wants it.  The Bulls aren’t going to let him go anywhere either if he continues the way he is going.

 

 

  

[Scott42444Participant]

…similar to Melo giving the Knicks a "hometown discount".  In reality, that was $121 million instead of $129 million.  This was a win/win for the Bulls to wait.  They get to test the market and pay him whatever the market shows, which will probably be a max contract.  His ability to get to the free throw line isn’t something that relegates him to a streaky shooter who can have a few bad years moving forward (I believe he shoots the 2nd most FT’s per game after Harden).  He is strong enough, and has worked on his footwork in the post so much, that he can take almost any other SG in the league into the post.  Those two things show that there are easy baskets in his future and this isn’t really a fluke.  Layups with a weaker, shorter man trying to guard him and free throws are translatable for every year moving forward.  Then, without Luol Deng being on the team anymore he is also tasked with guarding the best perimeter player on the other team (although Rose takes the PG and the league seems to have an all-star caliber PG on 80% of the teams, Butler takes the SG/SF that can cause the most damage.  When you factor in the advantage of having been coached by Thibs and having played meaningful minutes that past couple years and I think there are going to be teams VERY interested but I don’t think it’s going to matter.

But he’s not going anywhere.  The Bulls don’t have ANYONE who can take his role and they basically decided to part ways with Deng and have put their faith in Butler.  I don’t think he wants to, either.  I know most people think it’s CRAZY that a guy would take anything less than the max if they can get it on their 2nd contract but Noah did it because he likes the culture and the city.  I think Butler is in the same situation where he signs for a bit less than the max to give the Bulls the ability to add a player like Hinrich or Dunleavy in the future but he can get the max if he really wants it.  The Bulls aren’t going to let him go anywhere either if he continues the way he is going.

 

 

  

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 He and Draymond Green are going to make it hard for voters on the Most Improveed Player front. 

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 He and Draymond Green are going to make it hard for voters on the Most Improveed Player front. 

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 I’ve been having argument with multiple people in the last month of if he should be an all-star or not, I think he should, he is, at this point, the best player on the one of the best teams in the East while putting up all around good numbers and defending the best wing player on other team. 

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 I’ve been having argument with multiple people in the last month of if he should be an all-star or not, I think he should, he is, at this point, the best player on the one of the best teams in the East while putting up all around good numbers and defending the best wing player on other team. 

[ChewyParticipant]

 I completly agree with you Chilbert, Jimmy Butler needs to be an all-star this year. 

I think the Bulls will keep Butler reguardless of the price he commands. There are better 2 guards in the league (not many, but they do exist), however there is not a better 2 guard fit for the Bulls than Jimmy. He guards the best wing each and every night, which lets the Bulls play players like Dunleavey and McDermott.

The thing that works in the Bulls favor is Klay Thompson. He didn’t get the max, if he did, I think it would set a preccedent and Jimmy would be garunteed to get it. Now I think he is garunteed not to (but will be close to it).

On a side note, the Bulls have 4 players in the running for the ASG in Rose, Butler, Gasol and Noah and 2 players in the running for Rook/Soph in Mirotic and Dougie.

 

 

 

[ChewyParticipant]

 I completly agree with you Chilbert, Jimmy Butler needs to be an all-star this year. 

I think the Bulls will keep Butler reguardless of the price he commands. There are better 2 guards in the league (not many, but they do exist), however there is not a better 2 guard fit for the Bulls than Jimmy. He guards the best wing each and every night, which lets the Bulls play players like Dunleavey and McDermott.

The thing that works in the Bulls favor is Klay Thompson. He didn’t get the max, if he did, I think it would set a preccedent and Jimmy would be garunteed to get it. Now I think he is garunteed not to (but will be close to it).

On a side note, the Bulls have 4 players in the running for the ASG in Rose, Butler, Gasol and Noah and 2 players in the running for Rook/Soph in Mirotic and Dougie.

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 I see his value at somewhere between $13 to $16 million a year on a likely 4 year deal, using what Hayward and Parsons got in the summer as a guide. Chic ago can wait and match but I figure they would want him signed up ASAP. I don’t see Jimmy doing a Greg Monroe as Greg had a much higher rookie salary and a higher quaifying offer, Jimmy’s market value should be high next summer so he needs to cash in whilst he is hot.

Fully agree he looks a lock for MIP aand must be a strong bet for All Star recognition.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 I see his value at somewhere between $13 to $16 million a year on a likely 4 year deal, using what Hayward and Parsons got in the summer as a guide. Chic ago can wait and match but I figure they would want him signed up ASAP. I don’t see Jimmy doing a Greg Monroe as Greg had a much higher rookie salary and a higher quaifying offer, Jimmy’s market value should be high next summer so he needs to cash in whilst he is hot.

Fully agree he looks a lock for MIP aand must be a strong bet for All Star recognition.

 

[kanuflengParticipant]

definitely did not expect this kind of breakout season from Butler. I was expecting around 15 5 and 2 from him but not 21 6 and 3. He just has so much confidence in his game right now. Offensively he is the go-to-guy when Rose is not around and will drop 25-30. For a player known for his defense just a season ago, he is definitely MIP this year and the real MVP of the Bulls. Cannot wait for him to drop 25 and shut down Kobe (im guessing 6-25 shooting)  on Christmas day!

[kanuflengParticipant]

definitely did not expect this kind of breakout season from Butler. I was expecting around 15 5 and 2 from him but not 21 6 and 3. He just has so much confidence in his game right now. Offensively he is the go-to-guy when Rose is not around and will drop 25-30. For a player known for his defense just a season ago, he is definitely MIP this year and the real MVP of the Bulls. Cannot wait for him to drop 25 and shut down Kobe (im guessing 6-25 shooting)  on Christmas day!

[HitsterParticipant]

 Kobe will be so up for that game but the duel will be great to watch, also Pau Gasol’s return against his former team.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Kobe will be so up for that game but the duel will be great to watch, also Pau Gasol’s return against his former team.

[Ghost01Participant]

 Butler is getting the max. Unless his production completely tails off, he is no question getting the max.

And the Bulls would be completely out of their minds to not match.

This guy has been easily THE MOST IMPROVED PLAYER in the NBA. He has defined the idea of that award, because he has added things to his game that players don’t normally add over a summer. He is a 2 PPG scorer, one of 7 (Harden, Curry, LeBron, Blake, Aldridge, Lillard) who play on a winning team, and one 6 (LeBron, David, Curry, Blake, Wade) who shoot 48% or better from the field. He is also 2nd in free throws made per game behind Harden. It is unbelievable how good he has been. They are feeding him post isos in crunch time and he is just hitting shots over guys.

And with the way Rose is starting to look…this is a scary scary team. They can have nights where Rose and Gasol give them nothing and they still win. 

[Ghost01Participant]

 Butler is getting the max. Unless his production completely tails off, he is no question getting the max.

And the Bulls would be completely out of their minds to not match.

This guy has been easily THE MOST IMPROVED PLAYER in the NBA. He has defined the idea of that award, because he has added things to his game that players don’t normally add over a summer. He is a 2 PPG scorer, one of 7 (Harden, Curry, LeBron, Blake, Aldridge, Lillard) who play on a winning team, and one 6 (LeBron, David, Curry, Blake, Wade) who shoot 48% or better from the field. He is also 2nd in free throws made per game behind Harden. It is unbelievable how good he has been. They are feeding him post isos in crunch time and he is just hitting shots over guys.

And with the way Rose is starting to look…this is a scary scary team. They can have nights where Rose and Gasol give them nothing and they still win. 

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