Jimmer Fredette with 32 in 1st half
10-16 shooting in 1st half for 32 points- including a half court 3 at end of the half
What kind of player can he be in the NBA and is he a lock for 1st round?
I hate to say it but I think the Knicks would take him in a heartbeat. He could be a backup point guard, combo guard who can come off the bench and shoot for D'Antoni
Best pure scorer in the country. I said it before the season, Freddette is the best scorer in the nation and he still is my guy to lead the country in scoring.
He reminds me alot of Stephen Curry. Him and Jackson Emery are LETHAL on the perimeter, especially shooting the ball. But Freddette is much more than just a shooter. He does alot of damage handling the ball and creating offense for himself and others off of the pressure from opposing D. He's not a great defender at all, probably below average, but he's a strong offensive talent. I'm a HUGE fan.
15-26 shooting 6-8 3 point 7-7 free throw line 4 rebounds, 6 assist, 2 steals and 2 turnovers
What makes you guys think Fredette will be any better than J.J Redick who also put up huge statlines in college while he is an explosive scorer in college but I really do not see his skills crossing over effectively to the NBA.
"What makes you guys think Fredette will be any better than J.J Redick who also put up huge statlines in college while he is an explosive scorer in college but I really do not see his skills crossing over effectively to the NBA."
The fact that Freddette is actually a PG who can create very well off the dribble and finish. He's not purely an off-ball scorer like Reddick. Freddette can create shots for himself and others more than Reddick can. Just because they're white doesn't mean they are very comparable other than being good shooters.
i bet your the same guy who said the same thing about steph curry, and you wanna compare him and JJ Redick, well JJ is playing great. i love fredette and hpe the knicks grab him.
i watched byu vs unlv a week ago and told my brother inlaw to keep an eye on him. Jimmer finished with 39 points. Its a lot of fun watching him. He will prbably go in the 20's of the draft.
Fredette reminds me of former Chicago Bull John Paxson...Fredette would be perfect playing in the backcourt with Kobe or Wade...2 great,playmakers, drivers and defenders that would guard the opposing team's best scorer..Boston,Memphis and Portland were talking about taking him in the late 1st round last year...
i think i good comparison would probably be jason terry. what do you guys think?
Didnt he have some NBA workouts and he was advised to go back to school???
yeah, he was told that he'll be a late 1st or 2nd round pick..and if he returned in 2011 he could be a top 20 pick becuz there will be fewer points guards ahead of him..i guess they didnt think kemba walker brandon knight or demetri mccamey will be having good years...
i feel like hes gonna be an eddie house type player in the league. just my opinion.
Fredette is a much better creator than House...
I was watching this game it showed alot of different facets of Jimmer's game. Just looking at him, he's 6'2 but he looks pretty stocky and well built. He is excellent at creating shots for himself, so he's not just a spot up shooter and get the JJ Reddick comparison out the window. He missed a dunk on this game and he showed average elevation, which indicates he has average to below average athleticism, but I would rate his quickness very good and he is good at changing speeds with his dribble drives.
With that said, the best comparison I can think of is Ben Gordon. He will probably be a combo guard at the NBA, a 6th man who can be an instant offense off the bench.
IDK that kid got Eddie House all over him he's not really a pure PG and its kinda scary seeing him going aginst the likes of a rondo or a rose my vote is a top late first round-top 5 2nd round...
Mark Price written all over him!!!! But in todays game he may not be athletic enough to defend other guards at his position. Its a shame because he can score with the best of them.
After going to this game i have a new respect for Jimmer. I always knew he was good but the kid has handles and a lil nasty streak as well. He gets anywhere he wants on the floor and he's pretty strong and quick. I like the mark price comparison and i don't think hes lack of speed should hender him. some of the fastest guys in the NBa still are not good defenders
I've been observing his game since his sophomore year and the best comparisons I've read on here today are Mark Price and Ben Gordon. I would put him somewhere in between those two.
Here is what I don't fully understand (and just as a fyi, I was riding the Jimmer bandwagon when it was just me, a few prisoners from upstate NY, and the rapping Mormon Fredette brother along for the ride) why is it that people don't think he is a real point guard on the next level? Fredette is not going to be a Derrick Rose or Chris Paul type point guard, but that does not mean he is a limited player. If he was as athletic as Rose, he'd already be an NBA All-Star. He operates with a man on his hip and is traffic as well as anyone (and has done so against the likes of Armon Johnson, Randy Culpepper, Tre'Von Willis, Jacob Pullen, Erving Walker, and Malcolm Lee). He is strong enough to take bumps and not go flying. He finished well and gets to the line where is tremendous. He runs the pick and roll well and makes good decisions with the ball. I don't see any issue with him finding a position or roll on the next level. His ability to explode for huge numbers is really no different than that of Kemba Walker (we it last year from Fredette as well) yet he has not seen the hype swing where Walker gets talked about as a no doubt first rounder and likely lottery pick. For the past month, Walker is 55-144 for 38 percent shooting and averaging 3.3 assists. Not a downswing at all in hype. I do not see what Demetri McCamey does better than him (and I am not down on McCamey) yet people on this board have compared McCamey to Chauncey Billups and Baron Davis while Fredette gets compared to John Paxson, Eddie House, and Mark Price. Fredette is every bit as athletic as McCamey and is every bit the point guard. The difference is that Fredette is a superior shooter (once again, not knocking McCamey he can shoot it but Jimmer is the best in this upcoming draft). A guy like Kyle Singler, though, who is going to be stuck between positions because he won't be able to play the 3 (can't guard it and struggles to create on the perimeter when guarded by college 3s) and is very small for a 4 doesn't have the problems with selling himself. C.J. Leslie has the body of a 3 and the game of a 4. Nolan Smith has the game of a 2 and the body of a 1, and that will be readily apparently now that Duke doesn't have UNC-Greensboro and mid-major alley on their schedule. I don't get how he can be rated lower them, and I certainly cannot explain Chad Ford or DX and where they have him ranked.
it is no slight to compare him to Mark Price though. I do agree he doesn't get the hype of a Kemba walker but thats because he's not on national T.V as much and doesn't play in the big conference. I've talked about him for awhile as well but iw asn't as high on him untill really taking a good look at him and going to the game against Utah. If he was Black i'm willing to bet the Hype machine would be very high with this kid. He is a true baller that should go first round easily( last summer i said he was a maybe first rounder).
It is in that what does it mean to compare a guy to someone from a previous era? I think it is a kind way of saying he is behind the times. I understand that fewer pure shooting point guards are in the league now, but there is Steph Curry, Steve Nash, Aaron Brooks, Luke Ridnour, Mike Bibby, and the like. Typically point guards now either need to be the elite athlete that no one can stay in front of (Rose, Rondo, Paul, Westbrook, etc), handle having a defender draped on him, or operate in one of the spread floor offenses where the point guard has the advantage of extra spacing. He isn't going to be like Derrick Rose and do that crazy stuff where he beats his man and then sees two or three big men clogging the middle. He has handled having a guy being all over him. He isn't a waife, and isn't soft. He can make it as a point guard. The fact that he is as good a shooter as he is guarantees that he will get into the door of the NBA (as was the case with Brooks and Curry), but it will really be more about what team takes him and what opportunities will be there.
I've liked Fredette for a while and was high on him after seeing the way Curry was able to translate to the NBA.
Them I kinda fell on him a bit as I question his lateral quickness, and possibly wingspan. But nonetheless, he seems more like Mike Bibby in his days with the Kings. Stronger body, less quicks.
It isn't so much that he doesn't posses the skill to be an NBA PG, I'm sure he can fill in as a PG in spurts or a back up, but he seems to have a scorer's mentality. To be a NBA PG, you not only have to have the skill set but the mentality as well, and for Jimmer his specialty is scoring, he doesn't necessarily look to create for others. He doesn't play like a PG in college and I doubt he changes his game when he gets to the NBA just to prove he can be a PG. Being a PG is not something you learn to play in 2-3 years, you usually have to have played the position your entire life, and Jimmer to me is a scoring Guard and thinks like scorer who happens to have PG size. Like I stated he's a Ben Gordon type guard to me.
So I actually attend BYU and let me tell you he IS in fact NASTY! In every aspect of his game. I've seen every one of the home games (he actually plays better away as evident by 12 of his 13 30+ point games coming on the road). The dude can score ANYWHERE and ANYTIME he wants no matter who is guarding him. If he's not on then he'll is more than capable of getting his teammates open looks. People dont give him the credit he deserves for his point guard skills. His defense is his weakest aspect but if any of you guys ACTUALLY WATCH HIM ON A CONSISTENT BASIS then you would know that he is at least average defensively. He is deceptively quick and amazing at drawing contacting when driving to the basket.
WATCH OUT!!! He's only gonna have more and more games like he did last night against a VERY heated rivalry in utah... i was there...trust me.
The kid is already deserving of POY...watch what else he does...definitely will translate to the NBA a la Steph Curry.
Steph Curry learned the position between college seasons. Steve Nash wasn't really a pg his first couple years in the L if you ask Jason Kidd and himself. Kyrie Irving never played the position until this year I believe. Point is, some players are just that, PLAYERS. They aren't exactly one certain position, they are just so talented and know the game so well that they can play at a high level at any position. While I agree there are always Quincy Douby, Acie LawIII, and Mateen Cleaves types, but those guys could barely dribble with their off hands. Jimmer has a good enough package of athleticism strength/quickness/speed/shiftiness/vert/ and hopefully length to go with his ability to score.
"It isn't so much that he doesn't posses the skill to be an NBA PG, I'm sure he can fill in as a PG in spurts or a back up, but he seems to have a scorer's mentality. To be a NBA PG, you not only have to have the skill set but the mentality as well, and for Jimmer his specialty is scoring, he doesn't necessarily look to create for others. He doesn't play like a PG in college and I doubt he changes his game when he gets to the NBA just to prove he can be a PG. Being a PG is not something you learn to play in 2-3 years, you usually have to have played the position your entire life, and Jimmer to me is a scoring Guard and thinks like scorer who happens to have PG size. Like I stated he's a Ben Gordon type guard to me."
Have you watched him play? He does play the point and does it well. He is not a guy who selfishly looks for himself. There is a difference between scoring because they can and being unable to be a true point. Fredette is taking 18 shots per game. Even when he has gone off for 39 and 47 he has taken 25 and 28 shots. Him taking shots is a good thing, but he is not in a single track mind about it. He isn't taking bad shots and isn't forcing the issue, he is just good. For as much as he is involved in the BYU offense, it is remarkable how few bad plays take place. He is shooting at an incredible rate, he isn't turning it over, and the efficiency with which the team is operating is the reason the team fares so incredibly well in the RPI and Pomeroy rankings. It isn't a valid criticism to say because he scores a lot he therefore isn't a true point guard.