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Jim Boeheim A Bad Coach?

Is it just more or does anyone else think Boeheim is a bad coach? I just think that any coach that is too stubborn to only play one defense is bad.

I know the zone is good but there are instances when man is better. Playing zone lets worse teams in the game if they can shoot, if your the better team man-to-man is the way to go.

I know he's had lots of success as a coach, but anyone that's stubborn and doesn't change based on his opponent is just not good.


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He is pretty annoying, has

He is pretty annoying, has had some pretty serious violations, and has a history of underperforming in the tourney. That being said, you have to be a good coach to accomplish what he has accomplished.

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You can call him a stuborn or

You can call him a stuborn or stingy coach, but not a bad coach.

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I feel like he would get so much more out of his players and teams if he would just mix it up. Sure everybody typically drools all over that famous "Syracuse Zone" but they would drool more if he won more games with a little change. I can appreciate a good zone defense, but there is a time and place for other things.

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the zone is why i think he

the zone is why i think he struggles in the tournament. If a team gets hot from three they just destroy the zone, it let's teams that are worse than you get back in the game when they shouldn't even be close.

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yes they could mix it up a

yes they could mix it up a little more but Boehim is one of the best coaches of all time...

maybe your like 10 years old, so go wiki Jim and youll see this...

Boeheim has guided the Orange to nine Big East regular season championships, five Big East Tournamentchampionships, and 28 NCAA Tournament appearances, including three appearances in the national title game. In those games, the Orange lost to Indiana in 1987 and Kentucky in 1996 before defeating Kansas in 2003.

Boeheim currently stands in third place on the wins list of Men's NCAA Division I coaches. Among active coaches, only Mike Krzyzewskiof Duke University has more wins, with a career record of 927 wins, achieved at two different schools, Army and Duke. Boeheim earned his 880th win on February 8, 2012, surpassing Dean Smith's 879 wins at North Carolina, for the most career wins as head coach at a single school.

and as for the serious violations? can you even name any of these?

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obviously he has good

obviously he has good accomplishments, but you can always be better. I just thinks its stubborn to not play man when it's obviously the better defense to play against certain teams.

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My Two Cents

All I have to say is:

"That's the most bull&$#%#&@! thing I've heard in 30 years."

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how can he be better? theres

how can he be better? theres only TWO coaches better than him IN THE HISTORY of college basketball...Zone got him here so it must work pretty good SMDH

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and as for the serious

and as for the serious violations? can you even name any of these?

Not suspending players who had failed drug tests and having and defending a assistant coach who molested kids?? Sure he might not have been aware of all the details, but it still happened under his watch

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Can we please just stop

Can we please just stop before Dhamp sees this

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Just to let you know, those

Just to let you know, those rules are imposed by Syracuse itself NOT the NCAA...

One kid failed a drug test and never failed again...two other kids failed twice and were kicked off the team...Melo failed and now hes out of the tourny...

And im sorry but if your friend youve known for 30 years did something and you DIDNT stick up for him, you are a douche...Jim came back and apologized for his statements...

to my knowledge, Bernie Fine was never convicted of anything, am i wrong?

We all praise Calipari but look at the blatant violation he has committed...does that make him a bad coach? because to my knowledge he has never even won a title...GTFO

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Just to let you know, those

Just to let you know, those rules are imposed by Syracuse itself NOT the NCAA...

One kid failed a drug test and never failed again...two other kids failed twice and were kicked off the team...Melo failed and now hes out of the tourny...

And im sorry but if your friend youve known for 30 years did something and you DIDNT stick up for him, you are a douche...Jim came back and apologized for his statements...

to my knowledge, Bernie Fine was never convicted of anything, am i wrong?

We all praise Calipari but look at the blatant violation he has committed...does that make him a bad coach? because to my knowledge he has never even won a title...GTFO

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Melo didnt fail a drug test.

Melo didnt fail a drug test. He failed life. He had like a 1.2 gpa. I believe Fine didnt get convicted because it was past the statue of limitations or something.

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so how is that a serious

so how is that a serious violation by Jim Boeheim?!?!?! hahahaha

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Fab Melo had a 1.2 GPA? That

Fab Melo had a 1.2 GPA? That is sad. I hate doing homework too, but the least you could do is try to BS the shiit.

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HAHAHAHAH Bmore DC

That has got to be the funniest quote I've heard in a WHILE.

"And im sorry but if your friend youve known for 30 years did something and you DIDNT stick up for him, you are a douche" - Bmore_DC

Ummm I am pretty sure if you find out your friend of 30 years is a pedofile that not sticking up for him does not make you a douche. As a matter of fact, sticking up for any pedofile no matter what circumstance I'm pretty sure makes you the douche...Douche isn't even the word, but you get the point.

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i agree...but he did what any

i agree...but he did what any good friend would do, its not like Boehim knew he was a pedophile...alegations get thrown around all the time from the media...

not to mention he was never convicted (not saying he didnt do it)

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ha i know! I thought the same

ha i know! I thought the same thing! Sounds like this guy is just a big Syracuse fan!

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do you honestly think he knew

do you honestly think he knew kids were being molested and never said anything?

im not sticking up for Fine you guys are taking me out of context

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do you honestly think he knew

do you honestly think he knew kids were being molested and never said anything?

I know it sounds horrible and I am not going to speculate that he 100% knew what was going on, but as we saw with Paterno, its not out of the realms of possibility that he did. He allegely walked in on it one time during a away tournament, but i am not sure if that account is true.

You asked me to tell you what violations I am talking about. All I am saying, is whether he knew about it or not, there has been alot of bad off the court publicity for Syracuse this season that happend under his watch. They might not be classified as violations, but they are definatly not helping the program's image.

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Yeah

Yeah I am not saying that Boeheim is a bad coach, he is obviously very elite and close to the top, but I definitley think he would be even better if he wasn't so stubborn about the zone. But again that is probably why it is so good is because they play it ALL THE TIME and it is the only option, but I'd still advise to atleast keep an open option for tourney games. But besides this, all I am is saying is I do not get your whole "what would a good friend do" argument. If I thought or saw or anything about a friend of mine molesting a young boy I would instantly have a completely different mindset on him and NEVER consider him my friend ever again reguardless of our past history. This is raping a child, not a recruiting violation. I don't understand. It is like the sickest of sick. If I found out anyone did this I would instantly disown them and hope they suffer in jail for life. I don't understand how you can even compare Callipari's recruiting allegations or whatever he did to that. They are not similar. I do not know any of the situations or much about Boeheim's allegations, so I am not saying that he did or did not know or whatever. All I am saying is your whole buddy buddy argument does not work when its involving rape of a young boy...

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Dude you are taking what im

Dude you are taking what im saying way out of context...maybe im saying it wrong so your not understanding...

There were numerous investigations on Bernie Fine in the past that never transpired to be anything, no evidence found, nothing. So of course, years later, when it was brought up again, Boeheim stuck up for Fine. He had no reason to believe he was a child molestor based on the fact that no evidence was found in the numerous investigations prior. Boeheim and Fine had been best friends for 30 years, and i know for a fact, if Jim knew any of that was going on, he wouldve reported him. Im not saying its ok to rape little boys bro, im just saying that Boeheim did what any good friend would do and shot down what he thought to be more "rumors"...when more and more facts started coming out, Boeheim and Syracuse did the right thing and got rid of Fine, even tho AGAIN there was no conviction (although the evidence was so severe this time, they had no choice)...After Boeheim originally defended his "buddy" he later backed off and apologized to everyone for his remarks...so dont put words in my mouth and say im comparing covering up rape and recruiting allegations...

Now if you think that Boeheim knew all along (your wrong), then thats your opinion, and thats a whole different issue, but your trying to act like i said it was ok to protect your friend when you know hes raping somebody, and i NEVER said that...

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I Hate Zone Defense

I'm sure some people will laugh at this, but I cannot stand zone defense. I understand when you want to mix it up, and throw a zone out for a few possessions over the course of a game. However, Boeheim's overreliance on the zone bothers me so much. Look at his team this year, they could man up with almost everyone in the country, and probably run them out of the gym. However, they stay committed to this zone. It's for soft teams, there, I said it. I think the zone is for softies.

That said, Boeheim has been a great coach at the college level. I wonder how many championships he would have won had he not been so stubborn about the 2-3 zone, and let his teams man up others.

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They are also one of the best

They are also one of the best teams at creating turnovers BECAUSE of the zone they play. Many of the points they score comes from those turnovers, they are not a good half court team this year. Only Dion can create his own shot really well (Joesph, Triche, and Jardine are OK). The zone is not only effective on defense but it jumpstarts their offense which was huge for them this year. It was the reason they took 2 pt leads and broke games open (leads of 10 plus in a matter of minutes) multiple times this year. The length they have really fits his 2-3 zone well and I think he would be dumb not to play the zone. Boeheim is a great coach and even with all that happened this year he has been able to keep him team focused and win games, if that isnt what a great coach does i dont know what is.

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I'm just going to throw this

I'm just going to throw this out there, @orangeshadow83, but Boeheim has a team that could run, and play man to create more turnovers. Despite Syracuse's huge size they are not one of the best rebounding teams in the nation, even when Fab Melo was playing. The zone makes them vulnerable to offensive rebounds, and as we saw during the UNC-Asheville game, their persistence with it let Asheville hang around. If they manned them up, there is no way Asheville stays within 15 points of Cuse. The zone allowed Asheville to keep getting good looks, and they kept hitting them.

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idk how having nearly 900

idk how having nearly 900 wins and all those big east championships and one national title makes u "bad"

personally, i cant stand boehim cuz he seems like a huge &$#%#&@! and d-bag and i hate syracuse

but the dude is bonafide

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@rwd5035 I see your point

@rwd5035 I see your point when a team is making their shots its easy to beat the zone as UNC Ashville was but I don't think they would create nearly as many turnovers playing man. They are vulnerable to offensive rebounds but thats just as much personel as it is the zone UNC Ashville played much harder than Cuse and that goes a long way to getting offensive rebounds. But if you holding teams to taking outside jumpers and not letting them get easy close shots you are going to win those games (when you have the talent cuse does) and that is exactly what the zone does.

Against an inferior team like Ashville playing man might have been a good idea because any team can get hot shooting but when playing teams with more talent than UNCA they have to play the zone because they need those turnovers for easy points. When cuse is playing half court offense they take way too many long jumpshots and dont attack the rim enough so without the turnovers the zone creates they wouldnt be able to keep up with teams like Kentucky or North Carolina. The zone is what Cuse is good at and they have the right players to maximize its effectiveness, its got them to a 33-2 record so its gotta be working allright.

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switching defenses

When the 2-3 is your lone set that you normally use, you can't just switch to man, even if it is easier, and expect the team to play it well. Of course, they've all played man on some team at some point, but you have to stay pretty consistent if you want to win.

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^I don't think that's

^I don't think that's neccesarily true. You can coach your guys to know and be able to execute two defensive schemes, expecially if the secondary one is a man to man. I understand that you have to stay consistent, but when you play a team that can kill you from beyond the arc and has great ball movement, you have no choice but to switch it up. I feel that there are dozens of Beohim teams that could have advanced much farther in the Tourney had he usesd a different scheme. It's not imposible to run two shemes and switch it up a bit, like Duane Casey did with the Mavs last year.

And Gramps, I got a trade for you.

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Let's clear this up and talk

Let's clear this up and talk about facts with Boeheim and Fine. Boeheim was not aware of Fine's criminal activity. Boeheim spoke out like anybody would for a good friend he's known forever, but just like any normal human being once evidence was introduced (Fine's wife phone calls) that proved his friend's guilt he kicked him off the staff and apologized for his previous statements. Stop comparing Boeheim and Fine situation to what Joe Pa and Sandusky went through; two very different stories.

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"idk how having nearly 900

"idk how having nearly 900 wins and all those big east championships and one national title makes u "bad"

personally, i cant stand boehim cuz he seems like a huge &$#%#&@! and d-bag and i hate syracuse

but the dude is bonafide"

My thoughts exactly.

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