Watch that interview and tell me you don't see a motivated well spoken young man. People keep saying he has red flags, so compare that interview to Demarcus Cousins interview from last year where he was shooting down the simplest questions as to who he can play with by saying "I dunno I never played with them." While I do like Cousins his immaturity and also personality was on full display during the interviews. Tyler's maturation and personality was also on full display he's seems use to the cameras and the hype. A few months back I said Jeremy Tyler will move into the lotto or atleast the top 20. I stand by that even now with people still saying he's a 2nd rounder. Did anybody notice Tyler pull and Ibaka at the combine? He came in weighing the most at the camp giving him enough gurth to play center yet still has the athleticism to guard either forward spot. During the vert measurements Tyler's hand cleared the 12 foot pole prompting them to stick it on a chair. The final measurements are not yet released but we do know for certain his max vert height reach is over 12 feet which is tremendous. Tyler is a legitimate 6'11 boasting a 7'5 wingspan. It was nice to see all the big men work out in the same jerseys making it look like an even playing field because on that field Tyler and Kanter were hands down the 2 best big men prospects in the draft. Tyler showed off his smooth offensive game and was hitting jumpers out to 20 feet that werent even hitting rim. Like I said before, once the workouts start and the full combine results get revealed you are going to see Tyler sky rocket up the draft boards. There are only 3 players I want the Sixers to get at 16, Markieff, Donatas Monti, or Tyler.
I've been a supporter of Tyler for quite some time. I've had him as high as 15 to Indy in one mock, and couple times to the Sixers. But ultimately I have him going to NJN at 27. Too many proven guys ahead of him, but too much potential for NJN to pass up. Could potentially bring what they expected out of Derrick Favors. At the very least he's a decent consolation prize.
You can be well-spoken and immature. He was relatively well-spoken when he went to Israel too. I'm not buying that, especially since it's an interview that can be practiced far in advance. He's immature, just as all the prospects in this draft are in some way. He's lacking in polish and in terms of how hard he plays. He has 1st round talent, sure, but that doesn't mean he's not a huge risk. I'm not buying that "he's mature because he spoke better than DeMarcus Cousins" act. I personally could've handled the interview better than DeMarcus Cousins did last year (I know quite a few poeple I'm sure could have, honestly) and I consider myself to be fairly immature.
If all the prospects have immaturity then why is he going to go late. His game and the fact that he can play some Center suggest he should be a top 10 pick.
Have people not learned from Jennings situation and how he came in pretty much NBA ready despite injuries and poor shooting i may add.
Besides the fact he said "take my talents to the NBA", he seemed like a very eloquent young man with loads of potential
However, I think he should only be drafted by a veteran team like the Celtics or Spurs because I feel like his maturity isn't at the level where he can be a star on a young team.
"If all the prospects have immaturity then why is he going to go late. His game and the fact that he can play some Center suggest he should be a top 10 pick."
Because some players are more immature than others. Jeremy Tyler, Jereme Richmond, and Iman Shumpert are examples of guys who are more immature than most of the players in this draft. Some have their transgressions publicized, some don't as much.
I'm a big supporter of Tyler, but I agree with JNixon. Tyler doesn't play with that much of a motor to match all of his skills and athleticism. Though I can't agree that he hasn't matured. I lived with my family until I was 18 and moved away and was on my own. That kind of thing does truely cause you to mature and becomea man. Has he matured enough? Probably not, but there is a start and this is a kid who is well aware of everything that as been talked about him and he's out to prove the naysayers wrong. He has afterall been working with Bob Hill since arriving with the Apache and since coming back to the states in San Antonio. Personally I wouldn't take him in the lotto as I don't think he puts his stamp on the game enough, but late first and into the second. It's a no brainer IMO. You can't deny that potential. There is a reason afterall that he was originally ranked higher than Barnes, JonesIII,Irving, etc.
some of these maturity posts are absurd in my opinion. If you think the dude is a special talent you take him and hope you have the correct pieces to mold him how you wish. (that starts in the front office, followed by the coaches, and then last of all the players). I am sure we could all sit here for days and call numerous players immature..
Id rather draft a guy i feel is immature and extremely talented, than a guy who would just fit in ... Thats me, but all the great GM's take risks
If you disagree with my last statement name me a great GM, and ill be happy to share some "media entitled immature cats they drafted"
Just becuase a guy has talent, doesn't mean he's NBA ready. It's more than just talent and skill. Europe and NBDL is filled with guys who were very talented, and athletic but too immature and didn't grow up until it was too late. Work ethic and being a good teammate go into maturtity issues. If guy is too immautre, he's more than likely not going to worry about being at practice early, fighting/arguing with teammates, blowing off what the coaches say, partying too much, and genuinely not putting in the effort to get better. Go ask Gerald Green what he thinks about maturity issues being a big part of making it in the NBA. Though I do agree Tyler seems like he has matured a good bit, I'm sure he still has his maturity flaws like the rest of us younger fellas(I'm 23 and have a child on the way). If his skill set and consitency were higher along with proven play like Cousins, it's one thing to take a guy that early, but with Tyler's inconsistent play and question marks surrounding his character, it's just too much of a gamble to spend that kind of guaranteed money on a player. Anyone see where Derrick Caracter's maturity got him. What about Renardo Sidney? Don't just brush it off as something that isn't needed to be evaluated and taken into account when drafting a guy.
Listen few people can comment on this guys motor considering nobody got a chance to see him play.
The Israeli coach didn't want Tyler on the team the owner did for publicity reasons. It was so bad that the coach wouldn; even let Tyler practice. He said he was out of shape. Of course he's going to not be in the same condition as grown men whose bodies are fully matured and have been working out everyday for ten years straight. Tyler no doubt went over to Israel wit baby phat on him but it didn;t mean he did not want to work his butt off and shed them pounds and image.
And in 15 minutes a game Tyler averaged 10 points and over 6 rebounds. His last game he put up 24 and 11. He obviously produced while he was on the floor.
Honestly when you put Kanter and Tyler side by side and run them thru drills they both looks like they are competing for a top 5 spot in the draft. Tyler is bigger, more explosive, way way way longer, and has better foot speed. Kanter is a lil more polished on the block but Tyler thanks to Bob Hill also has post moves. I also think Tyler will have an easier adjustment to the NBA compared to most rookies because of what he has already gone thru.
If Tyler went to college he no doub a top 10 pick people forget he was the highes rated big man since Oden in high school and ranked ahead of Sullinger, Irving, Barnes and every other freshman we were oozing about.
And JayNix is right jus about anybody could of given a better interview then Cousins and look he still dominated despite being immature. Tyler don't come off as immature, he seems very sincere and he want's to be a legend thats why he skipped his SR. year of H.S. He wants to create his own lane and leave a mark on the game. He's been practicing relentlessly from all accounts to accomplish that goal.
1 thing for sure 2 things for certain, if Tyler goes lotto this will lure more High Schoolers to take the route of going overseas. Jennings tested the waters first & was a success in making transition into becoming a lotto f*ckin stud, who took his team to the playoffs as a rookie not saying Tyler will do the same. But the statistics of High Schoolers going Overseas to NBA is looking real good if you sit back & think on it.
If by any chance he starts to create a lotto buzz, the team that should consider him is Houston.
I wish the Raptors can buy a late 1st or early 2nd to grab Jeremy Tyler. If he really turns out to be immature and troublesome, what's there to lose? A late 1st / early 2nd cost you 3mil at max to buy and 2 mil for 2 years for the salary. That's nothing compares to paying 4mil+ a year to Kleiza, 6mil+ a year to Kapono. =P
And I truely believe Tyler can develop into a more mature Andray Blatche.
It's very easy to say he doesn't play with a motor as every single highlight that I've watched he's played very lazy and like I said, didn't seem to play with much of a motor or put his stamp on the game.
I'd say that Tyler should definitely go first round, I just cannot see him slipping out of there. One of the contenders will surely take a chance on him or even a developing team like NJ as mentioned above might like him. Boston,Chicago and Dallas would be good places for him to land and even the Spurs despite having a few frontcourt prospects always look at players who have played overseas and if Ric Burford and Coach Poppovich see something they might take a shot at him.
I feel that we will have to give Tyler time, he might go to the D-League for a bit but if he has a good veteran big to help mentor him then hopefully his upside can be tapped into. Also the time spent aboard may have helped him to emotionally mature as a person and if he gets a first round contract then that gives him some security which might be important for a guy like him.
so iggypops are you really comparing him to G green, sidney, and caracter? Why not go the other route and compare him to Zach Randolph, Jermaine O'Neal, Andrew Bynum, Brandon Jennings, Amare Stoudamire, Chris Webber, Jalen Rose.... I mean I could go on for days.. All of these guys above had questions about their maturity levels coming into the LG.... ALL OF EM.
We can only look at both sides of the coin.. You gotta flip it sometimes to see if its heads or tails... Again the difference between a good GM, and a GREAT one... High risks do have the ability to reap great reward...(not always as you showed above)..
Probably because AS ALREADY STATED, Europe and NBDL are both FILLED with players who had talent and maturity questions. And FYI, J.O.,Zach,Amare were all FAR superior players similar to age. Webber?Maturity issues? Laughable. Bynum, this kid was directly drafted by LAL because of his mature stature. Jennings fell past teams like NY because of his maturity issues. And I clearly stated that I thought Tyler had matured. Just because you can name me a handful of players who MAY OR MAY NOT have had maturity issues and succeed doesn't mean they are the standard. Again I say, Maturity is way more important than you think. Not to mention, there are different types of immaturity. In Bynum's case he liked playing video games and living with his mom. He still showed a great maturity level by having a terrific work ethic coming in at 285 down from 300+ the first time they saw him.
Why take the risk of Jeremy Tyler being Amare Stoudemire or Chris Webber, when he's not the talent that they are? Maybe some team sees him being that good, but he won't be. At all. He's talented, but he's not good enough to be worth alot of trouble over. He'll have to work harder and play harder than he has, on top of polishing his skills. We're not talking about a Lebron James-type sure talent, he's not good enough to be a headache.
If you really want to take that risk why not pick him in the 2nd round? That way you can be rewarded if he actually does a 360 and works hard and proves to be good, without the risk of him flaming out and holding true to his perception.
Exactly. Though I would take him late first in THIS draft. But under regular circumastances, I'd go second. He along with Selby,Shumpert, and Reggie Jackson are my sleepers for LAL in the second round.
The crazy thing is as stupid as the decision seemed he really didnt male that dum of a decision. Lets be honest high school diploma can be had online so can a college degree. I am in the army and have completed aaaociatea online like most working americans. This guy has played grown men and ex nba slash college playes for last 2 yrs. If he would have went to college he would have had one year of being bmoc and no edge because he would have thought everythin should be handed to him. Now he has an edge this guy Is the prize of draft mark my words. Everyone is mad he skipped his senior year because they dont like 18 yr olds making more money than them. Also the argument of him being successful leading to other prospects skipping there senior year it wont happen because the college game offers prospects exposure that leads to huge shp deals in future. A for tylers position in the draft i hope he goes in second round so in a couple years he has a huge contract just like wes mathews.
Was impressed by how soft his J looked at the combine. I remember seeing him several times in high school (live) and wondering why he felt compelled to take so many jump shots when he couldn't knock them down consistently. Obviously, while questions remain about his work ethic, he has put in the time on his jumper which is a highly coveted skill these days for a 4 or 5. Pick and pop becomes an option, breaking up the monotony of the pick and roll, thereby spacing the floor. This development along with his natural physical development would really put him on my radar if I were a GM picking late lottery to mid 20s. No way he drops past a late first round contender who can afford to be patient with him.
How do we know he is more immature than most people or players. That sounds like rumur mill stuff to me. A lot of Gm's are poor because they believe rumors and not the truth. He was living by himself and despite some mistakes still manage to handle all that at 17. Most people at 17 would have made similiar mistakes in the same situation. Some GM that takes him will get really lucky. I doubt he falls out of the top 25 though.
First off all you dudes are speaking out you butt because if you read around the league GM"s themselves don't even know much about Tyler. I will admit I am his fan boy therefore I did get to see his highlights of some of his Tokyo games. The rules are different their. He's very aggressive on the block and trys to score almost everytime he get's the ball and is more often then not successfull. He's playing against men who have money on the line the pressure is different then in the NBA.
In Israel you can't really put all the blame on him because we all know the owner of the team signed him for publicity and the coach didn't want him on the team. The coach in Israel didn't even have him practicing. Now what did he do? He left right? What could he of done? Pulled an Eddy Curry and stayed to just sit around and not even practice. You can't judge a kid for leaving high school to play pro ball because he wasn't getting paid to play high school ball. Not everybody has money, i grew up poor and play ball in high school and you can bet if somebody offered me 100,000 to play basketball overseas I would of been on the first plane. Tyler attitudes is where it should be he say Isarael humbled him and made him realize nothing is handed.
Bob Hill is very respected around the league and loves Tyler and praises him for his dedication to the game. Tyler is obviously is grea shape because he tested out very well athletically at the combine despite weighing the most their. He got perfect size to play center.
Outside of Kaner and Jonus there is not another Cener who is better then Tyler in this draft. And he potential is still their.
And like Tyler said, Bradon Jennings went over to Italy which is a beautiful country with his family.
Tyler went to war torn Israel by himself because he waned to mature.
Everyhing he has ever done has been viewed negatively when to me it sounds like he was doing what he truly thought would make him a better play and feed his family at the same time. That's a win win.
I think he'll rise, I think a playoff team in the 20's who doesn't need him right away will take the bait.
" The coach in Israel didn't even have him practicing."
Well, when the 6'7 30-year old and the kid who just finished his D3 college career are ahead of Tyler on the depth chart, he was only going to get third unit reps. I like what the Haifa coach said about him.
“The question is whether he’ll take responsibility of his career,” Haifa Coach Avi Ashkenazi said. “If he thinks he’s going to be in the N.B.A. because his name is Jeremy Tyler and he was a very good high school player, he will not be.”
It just had a classic quality to it.
Going to a weaker Japanese League helped him out a bit, and I'm sure having an American as a coach was also helpful, but none of that makes the 7 fouls per 40, 5.9 turnovers per 40, 51.4 percent from the field, and 45.4 percent from the line for this year any better.
Yeah, He's no where close to being NBA ready.
His Japanese league looked about the same caliber as the D-League. Eton, and Swift were main players on that team. I think Jeremy will spend the majority of next year in the D-League or on the bench of an NBA team in a suit.
I followed him all year in Japan and have put up a bunch of videos on my site.
I think the late first round predictions are pretty reasonable. Boston at 25? One of the two Bulls' picks? Frankly, he measured and tested well at the combine, so why would a team not a chance on him? If he slips to the second he will one of the first picks no matter team need.
Despite the average numbers for the season he finished really strong when he started to get some more minutes and more touches. I said in one thing that I wrote that I see him as a PF in the future, and think that with his athleticism and decent outside touch this is a real possibility. Then again, very few centers in the NBA actually play in the post fulltime . . .
I think based off talent he'll go round 1. Boston IMO is the best fit for him. Though, if he can't deal with sitting on the bench b/c he is not ready then he'll be back overseas in 3 years.
you cant really judge him for being immature. Alot of peopl need to remember that the reason why he went overseas was because he had so much hype in highschool that he though he was already a superstar. He went overseas and got pushed around by men just like jennings did when he went overseas. He did what any kid with that much hype would have done in his situation "act up". People could say whatever they want about his immaturity, but when u have a legit 6"11 athletic center, you dont pass up on them. think about how many GM wish they would have taken Deandre Jordan with their 1st round pick.
Okay I never said Jeremy Tyler was NBA Ready....neither was Derrick Favors last year. Rubio was the 5th pick when everybody knew he wasn't even going to come over with a ton of great guards on the board.
Do you not think getting pushed around by grown men in a foreign country going thru major culture shock hasn't prepared him better for the league then going to your senior year of high school? He no doubt took the path of most reistence and didn't crumble but stumbled out the gates and finished strong in Japan showing he got the ability to persevere thru pressure.
Based off of what we know, which is that he has been playing pro ball the last 2 years, and has gotten better. He is 6'11 with a 7'5 wingspan has rare agility and athleticism for his size and weight combined with a nice shooting touch and already has go to post moves in the paint unlike Favors last year and you got yourself a lottery talent cuz of his size and potential.
It's not about the league and the comp which still would of been better then most college teams, but it's about the fact he already knows what being a professional basketball player means and that's what he wants to be.