[torontoraptors10Participant]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/sports/basketball/08tyler.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ref=sports

Cool article on Jeremy Tyler. Coaches and teammates find him to be very naive and immature.

[gregoden08Participant]

You cannot satisfy this guy…I guarantee this guys stock is dropping. I don’t even want to root for him. He sounds like a big baby…Like his teamates said, he needs to just shut up and play.

[FT33Participant]

At first, I thought that he was going to do a decent job and get drafted in the lottery. But now that I read that article, I came to the realization that he is just ignorant. REALLY REALLY IGNORANT!!!! The reason why is probably because he bought into his own hype and therefore, his work ethic suffered. He will be a HUGE dissapointed unless he learns to listen to his coaches and stop being a baby.

[OrangeJuiceJonesParticipant]

You guys are right, he’s just being really immature. He needs to lose the attitude and realize that he’s not the man anymore. European coaches already have a bias against young players, so why make it worse for yourself by not listening?

[quincey hodges]

lol..i eamn really what did ya’ll expect..what is he 17..dont u expect him to be immature and not produce much…thats what happens youre young…ya’ll need to stop expecting him to act like an adult because hes not..he doesnt have to worry bout his stock dropping because he has 2 years over there to improve mentally and physically..good lord give the kid some time

[Bryant24Participant]

When i said he need to stay and school and get an education people took away my points but i aint goin name anybody but it was going to be hard for him anyway because of different languages different styles of play from America he probably use to havin the ball in his hand all the time but its not goin to work that way all the time i didnt expect it to be this hard on him though.

[quincey hodges]

plus ya’ll have to realize this is a kid who didnt have to work as hard and got to do what he wanted now hes playing in a system where the game is played different and theres alot more structure..this is exactly what i expected. by the time he leaves he will be a different person and alot more mature then what he would have been if he stayed in hs or went to college..when you have ego and young and talented like that this is a good experience for you because in college wit youre talent you will be able to get away with still having a big ego at most colleges but if youre young and play in europe its not gonna happen. my first basketball job over there i was kinda the same way(not to his extent but i was also older) and although i was talented i got sent right home….whats funny though is i do understand what hes talking about as far as the living condidtions they paint a great picture of where you will be living and it ends up being a shack..heat not working sometimes with rats and walls as thin as paper..lol

[FT33Participant]

He needs time but that doesn’t mean he should yell at your coaches, telling him that you don’t know basketball. Thats just rude.

[quincey hodges]

yeah no one is saying he should be excused for doing that…thats just wrong but im saying why is this such a shock for a kid thats had his way all through highchool and people telling him hes great and sure fire and since everyone wanting to be his friend no one really telling him he need to get better at this or that or questioning his work ethic

[FT33Participant]

My uncle said during the playoffs of his junior year, he was playing streetball with some of his friends while he was coaching his team one day. He just needs someone to be hard on him and I think that coach can do it.

[mmichnowicz1Participant]

He needs to grow up, their is a difference between being inmature as an adult, at 16 or 17 and inmature for for a 17 year old.

If he does not shape up he will be a giant project

[quincey hodges]

thats pretty obvious he needs to grow up..but like i said this isnt uncommon for a player with that much talent who hant had a coach get in his azz to act like this. it would be alot different if he always had a coach who would get on him and if he was 22 or 23….like i sai dhe will be alright as he learns to change his ways

[gregoden08Participant]

But, will he grow up? That’s the question. I’m not so sure he will…

[quincey hodges]

so youre not sure he will grow up?..hes still only 17 you think hes gonna be the same way as an adult?..what makes you think he wont grow up?…its very very very rare that a person is the ame way as an adult as they wre at 17 once they get structure int here life after having no real structure before

[gregoden08Participant]

Of people (especially professional athletes) who never grow up…Is it possible that Jeremy does grow up? Absolutely, and I hope he does, but I wouldn’t be suprised at all if he never grows up…He has a terrible attitude problem…I’ve seen him play before.

[quincey hodges]

yeah but hes young..the chances that he grows up are whole lot better then him not..especially now that he finally has structure which he didnt have in hs and has teammates who are older and wont be scared to get in his face..it would be alot different if he stayed in hs or went to college…a player like him needs this instead of guys always kissing his butt and letting him get away with doing what he wants

[gregoden08Participant]

Hopefully things will get better…But that article on him was pretty eye opening and it really shows how far away he is from being a legit NBA player.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I see this differently. I see this as an eye opening experience that’s EXACTLY what this kid needs. While he was in the United States, he wasn’t getting pushed physically or mentally. He was so much bigger and athletic than everybody else, that he stopped working. People were probably kissing his ass and consistently telling him how great he was. It went to his head.

Things are different now though. He’s playing with grown men. His teammates have had to serve three years in the army, so these guys aren’t taking anything for granted. He’s playing with players that won’t kiss his ass, back down from him or baby him. He’s playing for a coach that isn’t going to cut him an inch of slack and will push him like nobody else has. Tyler is going through it right now, but this is what some of you on here don’t understand… When you fight through controversy, it develops character. It makes you a stronger person. This right here is going to turn him into a man. When he leaves this place, I can guarantee you that he’ll be a better basketball player, but most importantly, a more hungry and appreciative/humble person.

He’s only been there for 100 days. He’s 17. He’s in a different world right now. IF this kid sticks with this, I think he’s going to have a chance to be great.

[quincey hodges]

exactly tezo…in the long run this is much better for him then going to college or highschool…this is watch derick character should have done..as well as some other highschool guys

[JNixonParticipant]

It’s amazing that he’s being talked about like that. I mean, I expected growing pains considering his age (I’m 17, and I know I would probably need to mature more to deal with something as drastic as a move to start a career overseas) but not everybody involved with the team hating him lol. The problem he was trying to leave in America, lack of a challenge, is having its lingering effects on him. The lack of challenges he faced in America have given him some of the habits he’s exhibiting now. Hope he gets it together.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

This right here is going to put some hair on his chest. This kind of reminds me about myself.

I didn’t get great grades in high school because I cared more about ball than books. I was smart, but didn’t put in the effort. I ended up having to go to a JUCO that was 5 hours away from home while most of my friends and the dudes I played against went to division one schools. It was the most horrible and humbling experience of my life. There was nothing in the town… Just farms. There weren’t any malls… Not even a Wal-Mart… Just a little mom and paps grocery store. I lived in a trailor home (A TRAILOR HOME) that was like 20 minutes from campus. The campus was small… The people weren’t friendly nor were they talkative. I had a cell phone, but never really got signal. I remember the first day my mom dropped me off and left. I cried like a baby lol. I didn’t know anybody on the team. I was the only incoming freshman. The coach was a d*ckhead. He was coo when he was recruiting me, but everything changed when I got down there lol. I had a rough first few weeks because I was homesick and just felt like I didn’t belong there. It kind of made me have an attitude, BUT…

I just stuck with it. I stuck with ball and most importantly I hit my books. I turned all those feelings into hard work. I tried to kill them boys in practice and games. I used everything as motivation. Even after practice, I went home and worked out in my room. My roommates would be like, “Wtf is he doing in there?” I did like 12 weeks of Air Alert lol. To make a long story short… The whole situation turned me into a man. It made me appreciate everything. I was there for two years. It made me hungry. I thank God for it too because I wouldn’t be where I am today. I ended up getting a full ride scholarship to a four year University. I’ll NEVER forget that experience man lol.

[quincey hodges]

in a way i was kinda the same way..but not untill my sr year..my first couple of years at largo and dematha ..i had one of the best coachs in the maryland area(lou wilson) then the best coach in the history of hs basketball(morgan wooton)..so i pretty much had to listen but my sr year when i transferred to a school in ct it was like the fresh prince of belair..i could do whatever i want and the coach kissed my azz..and i had the biggest head and though i could do and say whatever i want….that why i say you cant write him off since he hasnt had to deal with a couch or team like hes facing now..this will make him a better player and person

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Well, I too was very surprised about the article with regards to Jeremy Tyler. Not so surprised about his immaturity and tough adjustment, but completely surprised that he seems to be living on his own as if he were a man in a foreign place. He seems to have no supervision and he definitely could use a solid mentor, and it seems a friend. Not so much a yes man, who will just tell him that he is right, but someone to explain to him exactly what his attitude should be to get to the place he wants to go. His attitude right now sounds fairly horrible, but he is a kid playing against grown men, he has dominated high school and never had competition, and I pretty much agreed with his decision to leave, but I thought it would be under the pretenses of him having someone as a guide and mentor, not just being thrown into the pro scene. I feel Brandon Jennings was much more mature than Jeremy Tyler, who most likely never was to far away from his family. Brandon went to Oak Hill and had some experience being in a regimented basketball program, as well as the fact that Brandon finished high school. Having 3 (I still think it must be, unless they give him the ability to enter the draft in 2 due to his playing overseas, and possibly having received his GED) more years means he will go through a lot of maturing, but he needs a mentor and someone to take him under his wing, and I think the Israeli league would most likely be the wrong place to find that. Israeli dudes are hardcore, those guys have been through army training and probably just want to straight up kill this kid. They most likely look at him in a somewhat envious fashion, due to the fact that he has tools that most basketball players would kill for, but at the same time is still ridiculously raw and his forecasting into the future about his success must be like nails on a chalkboard and just give them more motivation to beat his ass. He just needs to take and realize hard work and a good attitude is the only way to win them over. The reason they are being hard on him is for motivational purposes, and it is probably a huge wake up call to not just be handed over playing time and shots, like most of these top level high school kids seem to get, even some of them once they get to University. Remember, he is playing against grown men, who have had years of professional experience and are in their physical prime, as well as some of the best college players their were. Many Euro League players are honestly good enough to contribute in the NBA, and Jason Rich was a baller at FSU. Here is hoping that he gets the mentoring he desperately needs and gets some support to go along with his huge dose of reality.

[TheFutureofthisgameParticipant]

Look at what this process did to Brandon Jennings, he is more NBA ready then anyone expected and is a great choice for ROY. Jeremy Tyler could have a similar experience and could turn out being a great NBA player. He just needs to put in the effort and the result will be terrific. He has potential and he would be an interesting product.

[nellyfangParticipant]

what is this???? i do not understand.

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