Jeremy Lin - MIP?
If Lin averages 15 and 7, do you give him the Most Improved Player award?
If you could give the award for the second half of the season he would be the MIP for sure. Now, can you give the award to a player who had no impact for a third of the season?
I don’t see him getting the award. I personally see this as Lin’s rookie season, his first proper season in the NBA so to say. Even if he played last year the amount of games and time aren’t really anything significant (29Games, averaging 10mins per game).
So for the same reason a rookie can’t win MIP, is the same reason I don’t think Lin will win. What’s he actually improving on? Everything he could do this year, he probably could do last year. He just didn’t have the platform or minutes so showcase his talent.
For me anyways the MIP has to be someone who has played a full season showing what they can do, then they work on their game during the summer and then the following the season you can see a significant improvement in their game resulting in better stats/gametype/praise/even wins etc…
So personally I don't think Lin fits the category for MIP, but that’s just my view on the award. I’m sure plenty of Lin fans will be more than happy if he won the award. But I don’t see it happening to be honest.
Well put JohnDoe.
He'll win the award whether he deserves it or not.
uh James Harden?
If he keeps his pace up, why not Nikola Pekovic? He's been quietly tearing it up in February, averaging something like 17 and 10.
Him or Pekovic will get it, but I think Lin will get it because the Knicks are better and Lin's "magic" has been more seen by the public
I don't think he played enough games last season to be considered
Ryan Anderson deserves it more than anyone to date.
Ryan Anderson takes the cake for Most Improved.
James Harden or Louis Williams have a chance for 6th man.
Lin's numbers are MVP caliber, but presumably he can't keep it up and the Knicks can't keep winning (see tonight's loss against Jersey). So really Lin has no chance of getting MVP. But yes, if he continues to average 25 points, 9assists, and shoots 50% while his team wins 80% of their games, then he should be neck and neck with Lebron for MVP. But I don't think anyone thinks that will happen.
I think MVP race is wide open. And while John Doe may think the Lin is not eligible for MIP, I doubt that is exactly how it works and he is currently a slam dunk for that award.
Ryan Anderson is mainly just getting more minutes this year (from 20 to 30). He isn't really playing all that much different from last year or frankly from the year before that. Another good example, like Lin, of a guy that his coach didn't really get and didn't understand that he should play him.
Has Ryan Anderson REALLY improved that much from last year to this year? He is the exact same player he was last year, he just plays 10 minutes more a game because the Magic needed a 2nd scorer. He's always been a good shooter and rebounder with size and below average defensive skills and athleticism.
what if Lin maintain the pace and averaged 25,6,8 for the rest of the season and get the knicks to the top 4 team in the east. that's not realistic, but not imposible tho. mvp and mip? lol
i dont agree with the excuse of being the same type of player but just got more minutes? what is that.. we know ryan anderson can pretty did much last year what he is doing now. but ofcourse he improved a bit. pekovic did not play a lot, until he got his minutes so his numbers are up, too. did you see anyone who averaged 5pts 3rebs a game in 30mins then next year got 15pts 10rebs in 30mins to win an MIP? i dont, yes its about improvement but more of opportunity to showcase what you can. so its fair for Lin to win the MIP imo. anyone of the three, im fine with it.
Yes Ryan Anderson has REALLY improved from last year to this year. Thanks for your question, hope this answer was benefical.
Just to clarify my argument which I was making. I personally feel if I was voting for MIP, I would need to have something to compare to when considering a players improvement. At the end of the day as good as Lin might be playing if I was to right now say what he has improved on, I couldn’t give you a solid answer. Why? Because I have nothing to compare his play this year to. The minutes and games he played last year to me are insufficient and from them I personally didn’t get a solid image of what Lin was as a player or any significant strengths/weakness, so in proportion I couldn’t conclude what he was as a player in such a limited time period.
So to me giving it to him doesn’t fit my criteria for someone who deserves the MIP, as I can’t say with 100% confidence what we’re seeing now is due to improvement in Lin’s game through hard work or if it’s some other factor, i.e. the simple fact he’s getting minutes in a system which suits him.
But to be honest, even though I don’t think Lin deserves the award, I have no doubt he’ll get it. This is due to the simple fact that they have to give some kind of recognition or award to please the fans. Sadly as much as all you Lin’s fans want, there’s no way he’ll get MVP and out of the other awards the only realistic one is the MIP. So more than likely he’ll get the award, I personally won’t agree with it; but at the end of the day I’m just one person.
So like everything in life people have different views and that also applies to the voters. So I’m sure those voting will have many different criteria’s when considering who to give their vote to in regards for MIP.
This is slightly off-topic, but still kind of related and quite amusing to be honest. Given the whole ESPN scandal with Lin, do you think they deserve to be allowed to have their votes?
I figure ESPN has around 30 journalists votes when doing the end of year awards, so that’s around ¼ of the final votes. Taken this to account, ESPN might use these to try and play back into the public hand. So Imagine if ESPN made some of their journalist biased towards Lin when voting, not just for MIP. But imagine MVP? I have no doubt in my mind all of ESPN will have their MIP votes going towards Lin, surprise surprise, but if we see some votes in the MVP category will any of you be surprised?
So basically given everything that happened with ESPN and Lin do you think they should be allowed to vote, given that the journalist might be influenced by those in charge?
Lin should be a candidate for MIP.
He did play last year and is having more of an impact than Ryan Anderson.
As for MVP he'll get some votes if his stats stayed around the same range but that'll be tough.
Also the Knicks would need to be a top 4 seed which isn't impossible but they have a hard schedule coming up.
Boston can't get out of their own way with injuries or bad play.
Philly has played 6 more home games than road games and they struggle in close games.
Atlanta has lost 7 of their last 10, maybe not having Horford is catching up to them.
Catching Indiana would be hard with them having a favorable schedule the rest of the way.
Orlando they are hard to figure out and who knows if they trade Howard or not. Seems like right now they won't.
why cant you base it as, he is good but not good enough to be at least a rotation player from last year. who knows if he's not that good before, or can't fit to a system but he improved and now adapts. we don't know but the fact is what he is showing is undeniable, from a reserve to starter (with wins and big numbers), he deserves it if ever..
This is somewhat [email protected], but applies to the thread in general.
Remember this is just my opinion, I accept other people will have different views. But I’m sticking with my original opinion in regards to MIP being given to Lin.
My biggest problem with what you’re saying is that you say Lin ‘improved’, but then the only reasoning I can gather from you said is he ‘improved’ by going ‘from a reserve to starter’. Obviously as you stated afterwards as a starter the Knicks have had a winning record and he has been posting some nice stats.
However that’s my problem with your argument, is the award is for the most improved player. Has Lin really improved is the simple question? By what you’re saying I would say there is no sign he has in my eyes.
The fact he’s a starter is down to the coach being out of options and having nothing to lose by playing him the first time he started. So it’s not like Lin improvement caused him to get the start. The facts the Knicks are winning I agree is partially down to Lin, but the award isn’t for the player who improves his team the most, it’s the most improved player. Two different things right there.
As for the stats, considering he’s playing 40+mins a game the stats he’s posting aren’t surprising. Just remember these are my views. If any of you remember when Chicago’s injury list was at its worst, John Lucas posted 25 Points 8Boards/Assists and got Chicago the win, which is just as good as Lin’s first game. However this wasn’t due to John Lucas suddenly improving his game, it was down to the fact Coach Tibs gave him the freedom to do whatever he wanted that game. I’m pretty sure had the injuries still been sustained during their next couple of games, John Lucas would have done the exact same thing Lin is doing right now.
So for me if you’re a PG in the NBA posting 25points/10assists in 40mins it doesn’t surprise me at all, especially considering the fact you’ve been let loose and given the green lights to shoot and do whatever you deem fit; by the coach.
At the end of the day the award is for the most improved played. I acknowledge Lin has been a breakthrough and has improved the Knicks as a team. However I refuse to accept he’s the most improved player in the NBA. I challenge any of you to actually give me an area of Lin’s game he has improved which is visible as of the last couple game in comparison to last season. To me at the end of the day, that should be the main criteria for MIP, visible improvements in one’s game.
I could guess he has most likely improved his jumpshot as well as other aspects of his game, but can I actually give any evidence to back it? No I can’t as sadly last year I was unable to make a fair assessment about Lin in regards to his game. So that’s why I feel he shouldn’t be getting the MIP award. Don’t get me wrong he’s been great but the reasoning I’m reading about him getting MIP to me isn’t right. From what I’ve read you’re basically saying he deserves an award for being the most improved, not because he actually improved but due to outside factors causing his actual abilities to be showcased.
Anyways that’s my two cents like always.
tnx man i understand what you are saying but as you said that's just how you see it. i have mine. btw who do you think is the early front runner? lets see if your choice "improved" from last year without the significant playing time increase
There's precedent. Darrell Armstrong got it after playing only 15 games the year prior.
My homeroom and former Math teacher is a Bulls fan, but anyways, when I asked him about Jeremy Lin, he said that on Sunday, he was in a Chinese resturaunt and the Mavs-Knicks game was on the TV there(In the Bay Area) and he said that they were cheering for the Knicks like the Warriors were in Game 7 of teh NBA Finals. He said he found it ridiculous, he said he hates the Knicks, and apparently he's not among the Asian American Bandwagoners(Like myself) even though I've been a Lin fan from the very begining.
I hear the point that clearly Lin couldn't possibly have really improved this much since last year. Clearly this is partially the product of having time and confidence to make the impact and partially the D'Antonio system. But lets also consider that the guy did play 29 games for Golden State last year and nearly 10 minutes a game. Also he played 20 games in the D-League. Now, this year, he is putting up stats that are better than what Derrick Rose did last year during his MVP year. (Lin is scoring a few points a game less, but shooting a higher percentage, dishing a few more assist and stealing the ball twice a game compared to Rose doing it only once a game, oh and he is rebounding better than Rose. Yeah, Linsanity is that crazy.) So to go from whatever you think he might have been last year to MVP level numbers this year, I just don't see how we can say that isn't improvement. Even if we don't know exactly how good he was last year because he didn't get a ton of time, we know he can't have been this good last year.
Ryan Anderson is playing better: but on a per 36 minute basis, he is scoring 19 points per game in 2009, 17 points per game in 2010 and now 19 points per game in 2011. He is just shooting a better percentage this year and getting more minutes. So he is improved. But most of his stats are just coming from the fact that he has gone from 14 minutes a game, to 22, and now to 31 minutes per game. He is kind of the same player. Just now he does this against starters and he is able to do it all game (which means guarding starters). That is probably a big improvement. But no chance he looses to Lin at this rate.