Jazz Fans; Larkin vs Schroeder @14?
Who would you Personally take for your team at 14?
From everything Ive seen and heard over the last month, Schroeder is just the better overall player.
Schroeder by a mile. I would only feel ok about drafting Larkin at #21, but not if that means we didn't get Burke, McCollum, MCW, or Schroeder at #14, and we'd obviously need to trade up for at least 2 or 3 of those guys. We need 1 of those four at #14 to feel good about this draft.
I think Schoeder will be gone when the Jazz make their pick at 14...Schoeder is 1 of the few guys in this draft that has the talent to become a star.......I think Utah might try to grab a player thats marketable like a Shabazz Muhammed....And then address their point guard needs with the 2nd 1st round pick,McCollum might fall to them...Guys like Wolters,Larkins,Kabongo and Brown might be there....
As a Jazz fan, I'm terrified that Schroeder, McCollum, and MCW are all off the board at 14. It's a nightmare scenario for us really. I think the Jazz should try to have a plan in place to trade up a few spots if it looks like that's going to happen.
As a Piston fan, any chance you would like to make a deal to move up to our 8th pick? I'm definitely open to ideas. Just a thought.
I can't imagine Utah drafting a player that has a questionable history such as Muhammed. I don't believe he would exactly fit into the culture they are cultivating over there. I'm with you on those other picks though.
i dont think shabazz so far is that marketable... especially now with this fruad stuff with his father.
I say pick best available player, can't go wrong with that.
I am tired of having PG's who play terrible defense (Harris, Mo, Tinsley) The Jazz stated last year several times and heading into the off season they need improved team and individual defense. I dont see how drafting an undersized PG helps out that goal any. Granted there are concerns with both players Larkin is undersized and Schroeder neeeds to put on some weight to finish through contact but of the two Schroeder has the ability to be the better defender. Also i like the kids swag. Alot of people on here see this as a negative but to a team that lacked an identity i think it could help out a lil bit. Also i dont think LArkins eye popping combine measurement on his vertical really translates to anything relevent in game situations.
Real Jazz fans don't want Larkin he is too much of a defensive liability. To me Larkin is a 2nd round talent because of his obvious weaknesses. I hope the Jazz just pick BPA for there draft picks instead of going for needs. I feel we can get a PG in FA or a trade.
How about drafting both of them. Schroeder at 14 and Larkin at 21 IF he falls. Would you do that? Solve your PG problems.
Larkin all day, don't know much about Schroder, but Larkin was unguardable at times
Have you been reading David Kahns autobiography? It sounds like his draft philosophy you are subcribing to.
Just make sure one of the point guards aren't Jonny Flynn!
Hey don't make fun of Flynn. He had a great rookie season then unfortunately got injured and never got a shot again.
I'm amazed that this guy doesn't get more love. I don't know what else he has to do. He played great basketball all year, dominated the combine, and showed a huge growth curve. He can flat out shoot, run a team, no character issues. I'm not sure he's a long term starter but I'm also not gonna bet against him. He is NBA ready right now and I know it won't happen but I'd love if the Heat found a way to trade chalmers for him and keep him in miami
Great rookie year? Jonny Flynn had a great nothing... he was in over his head from the time he set foot on the court for the Wolves. Injurie might've finnished him off but he was never going to be a difference maker for the Wolves.
I watched Flynn look more confused every time he got on the court... he couldn't shoot, couldn't drive, not much of a passer and sure couldn't play defense.
The first thing I would say the Jazz need to do is to try and trade up to take Burke, and only him. Of the point guards that are likely to go before 14 (Burke, McCollum, Schroeder, and Carter-Williams) he is the only one, that I know could do everything the Jazz would need him to do and more. He can lead, he can shoot, he can pass, he can play defense. Sure he is not that athletic, but as long as he can do all those things well, then I'm fine. Being athletic to me is an unnecessary bonus. And he doesn't bring any baggage along with him. Schroeder has all these things, but he is underweight, and he brings a lot of baggage with him and I don't think he would fit into the Chemistry that the Jazz have built up.
Carter-Williams also brings baggage with him, and he may be able to pass extremely well, but he can't shoot to save his life. He is mainly a drive and kick type of point guard. The Jazz already have guard like that in Alec Burks, so once again there would be a chemistry issue in the backcourt.
I'm concerned that McCollum is more of a combo guard than he is a point guard. I think he would better suited to play a role similar to the one Jason Terry or Monte Ellis plays. Or he needs to play alongside a big point guard, and I'm just not quite sure that Alec Burks can make the transition successful over to point guard, but if he is available at 14, then I am all for drafting him and trying it out. But I don't think its necessary to trade up and draft McCollum when I am not quite sure that Alec can make the transition successfully to point.
If the Jazz can't trade up to get Trey Burke then they need to draft Larkin. He has all the tools that Burke has only at a smaller cost. I also don't understand why he doesn't get enough love. He may not be able to start full-time but remember the Jazz do have a lot of room available cap-wise this summer and can always sign or trade for a young point guard that can start full time, like Eric Bledsoe or Jeff Teague.
At first I wasn't okay with drafting Larkin at 14, but if the Jazz have reason to believe that Larkin won't be available at 21, then they should definitely draft him at 14. I do see why the Jazz think that he may not be available. After Burke, McCollum, Schroeder, and Carter-Williams, Larkin is the next best point guard. Burke could go anywhere from 2-7. Carter-Williams could go at 8 or 15 (I'm thinking 8) McCollum could go anywhere between 9-11, and Schroeder could go to Dallas at 13. So it is possible that Larkin is the best available point guard on the board at 14. The Celtics pick at 16 and are said to go for a point guard. If Larkin is the best available then they may pick him at 16. The Bucks are likely to lose Ellis and/ or Jennings this year, so if Larkin is the best available point guard the Bucks may take him at 15. So I can definitely see why the Jazz would think that Larkin will not be available at 21. In that case I say the Jazz need to draft Larkin at 14 and then go for Brown, Kabongo, or a big guy like Olynyk or Plumlee or Dieng at 21, or just draft BPA at that pick.
Bpa @ 14.
Backup point. Or bpa with our 2nd 1st.
Starting point as free agent.
We go best player avliable and dont sign mo jefferson or millsap back. We arent a play off team next year without them but if get younger in the front court and a wing 3d type guy like Tony Snell to bring better shooting and d this year and worry about a pg of now in free agency and address the point guard issue next season when I really just like the pickings more. This is a class of back ups and I dont want to be in the position of the 'Cans right now having to deal with deciding if Rivers is the future or not. I just dont see any of them as successful starters other than Burke.