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if you wanna see someone that

if you wanna see someone that really hates aldrich, the yahoo mock draft has aldrich goin 21!!!! lol

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WRONG, Whiteside was a late

WRONG, Whiteside was a late recruit. He had offers to WVU and UK but chose Marshall because he felt like it was home and he wanted to play right away.

Plus- Sloan wouldn't quit, he would work with him like a coach is supposed to do. Aldrich is a good player. I believe he will be a starter. He plays hard and he will do what he has to do to win.

You take the 6-9 Patterson, Good Luck vs LA.

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cyclo I love your reasoning

cyclo I love your reasoning on why Aldrich is going to be a bust, you just spew stats and I'm confident you haven't seen him play or if you have maybe once or twice. Aldrich didn't get many touches his junior season, because Sherron Collins and Xavier Henry were the 1st and 2nd options for KU. 11.3 ppg for a 3rd option in college is pretty solid, plus before KU added Henry in Aldrich's sophomore season he averaged 14.9 ppg because he got more touches and played more minutes. Your cumulative stats are pointless in regards to Aldrich because he played very little his freshman season, on a stacked national championship team with 3 post players drafted in 2008. In his limited minutes he managed to get playing time in the Final 4 including a dominating defensive performance off the bench against Tyler Hansbrough. If you want to shoot stats, what bout 3.7 blocks per game in the Big 12 in only abou 27 minutes per game. 71% free throw shooter in college and in his two seasons as a starter

13.1 ppg 10.45 rpg 3.1 bpg 57.5 fg % 73.5% ft - is a much more accurate gage on his performance in college

2 time Big 12 defensive player of the year, triple double in the NCAA tournament,

and when comparing Aldrich to your gang of white guys with flat tops his free throw percentage indicates his skill offensively is better than his ppg stats look on paper at the same time is shot blocking is significantly higher

Ostertag - 60%-------blocks final season in college - 91
Montross -62%--------blocks final season in college - 62
Przybilla - 62%--------blocks final season in college - 81
Aldrich - 71%----------blocks final season in college - 125

You can't rely too heavily on comparisons with other players (especially when your only comparing him to dudes with flat tops), because Aldrich is a different player, and a much better defender and post player than anyone you've comapred him to. I don't think he'll ever make an all-star team, but I think he'll be in the top 10 in blocks per game throughout his career and when he hits is prime I think he'll be a 8+ rebound per game player.

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a true competitor would never

a true competitor would never pick Marshall over West Virginia or Kentucky. Period. I don't care if you feel more at home there.

Height isn't everything. Look at Paul Millsap. I'm not sayin' Patterson and Millsap is gonna get it done, but neither is Aldrich and Millsap. If you think Aldrich is the answer to Bynum and Gasol, you're wrong. Patterson fits the Jazz system better, IMO

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If Cole Aldrich turns out to

If Cole Aldrich turns out to be Pryzbilla the team that drafts him will be happy. That's what aldrich is gonna do- grab rebounds, play solid D, hit a high % on putbacks... I don't think he has what it takes to hang with the best bigs in the league, though.

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All I can say to all you Aldrich lovers is , you go ahead and draft him for your team and be happy with him. I'll take Udoh or Patterson as PF's and we'll see who ends up happier.
I can't believe some people's eye for talent & potential!! In regards to talent, & potential what is it that some of you define as talent & define as potential. Maybe we're not agreeing on what talent or potential, is.

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Lol, Aldrich will be a

Lol, Aldrich will be a perfect pick for them. Easily a better fit than Patterson. They need size, defense, and rebounding down low. And Aldrich also provides a good pick and roll player for the Jazz's system. He's not superstar, but he's the kind of role-player that's perfect if you're trying to build for a title. He's like Kendrick Perkins, but with a better scorer.

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You like Kosta Koufas and

You like Kosta Koufas and Fesenko, and question other people's eye for talent?

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Ha!!! I guess I don't know

Ha!!! I guess I don't know anything about talent or potential, OH wait! potential gets a lot of teams in a lot of trouble ask

Darko Milicic
Stromile Swift
Julian Wright
Marcus Haislip
Joe Alexander
Kwame Brown
Michael Olawakandi

Just because a guy can't jump out of the gym doesn't mean he can't play nor does that mean he doesn't have potential. Udoh is 23 and Patterson isn't going to do anything defensivly against Gasol or Bynum. I agree with Iggy if your building a team you want to compete for a title why is drafting a defensive center at #9 so outrageous?

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busts

Darko Milicic
Stromile Swift
Julian Wright
Marcus Haislip
Joe Alexander
Kwame Brown
Michael Olowokandi
Eric Montross
Todd Fuller
Joel Pryzbilla
Cole Aldrich

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cyclo

By your reasoning this should be a better arguement

Dikembe Mutombo college stats- 9.9 ppg 8.6 rpg
Joakim Noah college stats - 10.5 ppg 6.4 rpg
Al Horford college stats - 10.3 ppg 7.9 rpg
Robin Lopez college stats - 9.0 ppg 5.6 rpg
Cole Aldrich college stats - 9.4 ppg 7.7 rpg

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game won't translate

Cole Aldrich measured just 6'9" in socks. That college shot blocking? Like Ekpe Udoh and Jarvis Varnado, ain't gonna happen in the NBA.

He's shorter than Channing Frye.

Height:
Frye 6'9.5"
Aldrich 6'9"

He's weaker than Channing Frye.

Bench press:
Frye 19 reps
Aldrich 10 reps (same as Gordon Hayward)

He can't jump as high as Channing Frye (and we all know what a great leaper Frye is).

No step vertical
Frye 27.5 inches
Aldrich 23 inches

Max vertical
Frye 31 inches
Aldrich 28 inches

Underzised.
Unathletic.
Offensively-challenged.

Cole Aldrich averaged fewer points in college than the immortal Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla. His college game won't translate to the NBA, except as a backup C good for 6 fouls.

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All you do is spew stats,

All you do is spew stats, man. Your logic is flawed, just please admit you've never seen him play or if you have more than once or twice. Tell me instances that you've seen that make you come to these conclusions. Combine stats comparing him to Channing Frye?

Dikembe Mutombo averaged fewer points in college than the immortal Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla, so what?
Joakim Noah averaged fewer rebounds in college than the immortal Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla, so what?

I get it, Aldrich isn't the most glamorous pick, but he's effective and can play good defense at an NBA level, tell me you've seen him play and give me real examples and I'll shut up, but citing the combine and his draftexpress profile isn't going to change my mind on anything.

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The offensively-challenged one

As college players, Cole Aldrich had a worse final season offensively than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla. I posted their college career numbers, then their final season numbers, wbich reveal a bust in the making.

Final season scoring in college:

Joel Pryzbilla 14.4 ppg 61.3% fg.
Eric Montross 13.6 ppg 56% fg.
Cole Aldrich 11.3 ppg 56% fg.

A worse offensive player than Montross and Pryzbilla? Yep.

The offensively-challenged one.

An undersized, unathletic C who can't score is called a backup C.

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You didn't site game examples

You didn't site game examples or tell me games you've seen him play. You're very opinionated about him so I assume you'd have tons of game examples in which you could site. He's not a perfect player, and he has weaknesses, but you've never denied that you've never seen him play.

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Your logic is flawed

In addition to college career numbers, you have to consider a player's final college season, plus size, skills, athleticism and how he projects at an NBA position.

Robin Lopez 7'0"
Ideal size for NBA C
Projects well as NBA C
Skilled inside player.
Athletic for big man

Dikembe Mutombo 7'2"
Ideal size for NBA C
Projects well as NBA C
Good final season numbers in college
Very skilled

Joakim Noah 6'11"
Ideal size for NBA PF/C
Projects well as NBA PF/C
Good final season numbers in college
Very athletic
Skilled inside player and passer

Al Horford 6'10"
Ideal size for NBA PF
Projects well as NBA PF/C
Good final season numbers in college
Very skilled.
Very athletic.
Very strong.

Unlike these players, Cole Aldrich does not translate well to the NBA.
He doesn't have the offensive skills of Mutombo, Horford and Noah.
He doesn't have the ideal C size of Mutombo 7'2", Lopez 7'0" and Noah 6'11.5".
He doesn't have the athleticism of Horford, Noah and Lopez.

College means nothing if a player doesn't translate well to the NBA and Cole Aldrich doesn't translate well, except as a backup C good for 6 fouls.

He measured 6'9" in socks, which makes him shorter than Channing Frye in socks.

He can't jump. Channing Frye is a better leaper according to the no step vertical and max vertical testing.

His college shot blocking will translate to the NBA about as well as Ekpe Udoh's, Jarvis Varnado's and Stephane Lasme's, which isn't very well at all.

He's a worse offensive player coming out of college than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla.

All of this doesn't bode well for the team that makes the mistake of drafting him.

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Your logic is flawed

In addition to college career numbers, you have to consider a player's final college season, plus size, skills, athleticism and how he projects at an NBA position.

Robin Lopez 7'0"
Ideal size for NBA C
Projects well as NBA C
Skilled inside player.
Athletic for big man

Dikembe Mutombo 7'2"
Ideal size for NBA C
Projects well as NBA C
Good final season numbers in college
Very skilled

Joakim Noah 6'11"
Ideal size for NBA PF/C
Projects well as NBA PF/C
Good final season numbers in college
Very athletic
Skilled inside player and passer

Al Horford 6'10"
Ideal size for NBA PF
Projects well as NBA PF/C
Good final season numbers in college
Very skilled.
Very athletic.
Very strong.

Unlike these players, Cole Aldrich does not translate well to the NBA.

He lacks the offensive skills of Mutombo, Horford and Noah.
He lacks the ideal C size of Mutombo 7'2", Lopez 7'0" and Noah 6'11.5".
He lacks the athleticism of Horford, Noah and Lopez.

College means nothing if a player doesn't translate well to the NBA and Cole Aldrich doesn't translate well, except as a backup C good for 6 fouls.

He measured 6'9" in socks, which makes him shorter than Channing Frye in socks.

He can't jump. Channing Frye is a better leaper.

No step vertical
Frye 27.5 inches
Aldrich 23 inches

Max vertical
Frye 31 inches
Aldrich 28 inches

His college shot blocking will translate to the NBA about as well as Ekpe Udoh's, Jarvis Varnado's and Stephane Lasme's, which isn't very well at all.

He's a worse offensive player coming out of college than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla. Compare their final college seasons:

Joel Pryzbilla 14.4 ppg 61.3% fg.
Eric Montross 13.6 ppg 56% fg.
Cole Aldrich 11.3 ppg 56% fg.

A worse offensive player than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla? Yep. All of this doesn't bode well for the team that makes the mistake of drafting him.

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LOL why won't you answer

LOL why won't you answer JoeWolf's question? Have you seen him play more than 1 or 2 times?? He also hasn't seen Luke Babbitt play, all he does is put up stats Joe Wolf, don't worry about it.

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Did you really say he doesnt

Did you really say he doesnt have the offensive skills of Dikembe Mutumbo? thats about as stupid as John Bryant on a hangover.

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Comparing Frye to Aldrich is

Comparing Frye to Aldrich is foolish. Those guys play nothing alike. Frye was always a skinny jump shooting PF. That is definitely not Aldrich at all.

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stop comparing Aldrich to Mutombo

The 6'9" Aldrich doesn't have the offensive skills of Dikembe Mutombo coming out of college, nor the size. Got it?

Unlike Aldrich, Dikembe Mutombo had good offensive skills coming out of college. Plus great size, rebounding and shot blocking skills.

Final year at Georgetown:
Dikembe Mutombo 15.2 ppg. 12.2 rpg. 1.6 apg. 4.6 bpg. 58.6% fg. 70.3% ft.

First year in NBA:
Dikembe Mutombo 16.6 ppg. 12.3 rpg. 2.2 apg. 3.0 bpg. 49.3% fg. 64.2% ft.

Cole Aldrich is nowhere near the C prospect that the 7'2" Mutombo was across the board.

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That's fine cyclo, he's not

That's fine cyclo, he's not as good of a prospect as one of the best defensive centers in the game during the 90s, and early 00s.... just because he isn't as good of a prospect doesnt mean he cant be a decent big.. that's bad logic.

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Also, his Soph yr, when they

Also, his Soph yr, when they needed him to score more, he put up 15, 11, on 60% shooting.

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My point in comparing him to Mutombo was purely to discredit your style of judging a player only by numbers. Comparing Aldrich to Mutombo only by stats is just as ridiculous as comparing him to Montross by the same system. How many times have you seen him play, again?

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Just because he looks like Eric Montross

Just because he looks like Eric Montross doesn't mean he'll play like one... I definitely think he'll be a solid center in the league... I think everybody here can say he's a very coachable guy... I can't hear Bill Self complaining too much about him... The Jazz are going to be a much better low post team with Aldrich around...

My take is simple: Just give Aldrich a chance to prove himself... I think he's going to shock you in a lot of ways cyclo... If I'm wrong, then I guess it'll prove how dumb I am when it comes to scouting prospects...

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Aldrich is backup C material

Channing Frye?

Aldrich weighs less than Frye

Weight:
Frye: 244
Aldrich: 236

Aldrich is shorter than Frye

Height:
Frye" 6'9.5"
Aldrich: 6'9"

Aldrich is weaker than Frye

Bench press
Frye: 19 reps
Aldrich: 10 reps (same as Gordon Hayward)

Aldrich is a worse leaper than Frye (and we all know what a great leaper Frye is).

No step vertical
Frye: 27.5 inches
Aldrich: 23 inches

Max vertical
Frye: 31 inches
Aldrich: 28 inches

Add this to the fact that Aldrich is undersized and a worse offensive player than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla were coming out of college:

Final college season:

Joel Pryzbilla 14.4 ppg 61.3% fg.
Eric Montross 13.6 ppg 56% fg.
Cole Aldrich 11.3 ppg 56% fg.

A worse offensive player than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla? Yep.

All of this doesn't bode well for the team that makes the mistake of drafting Cole Aldrich. He's just not a good prospect for a starting C position. Maybe a backup C.

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So I'll take that as you've

So I'll take that as you've never seen him play...ever

i'm finished cyclo, I think I've proven all I need to

I'm glad real NBA scouts don't rely only on draftexpress.com and basketball-reference.com

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Don't waste your time... Let's just sit back and relax while we wait for Game 7 of the Finals... LOL

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Lol, sounds good Fizer

Lol, sounds good Fizer

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who are you rootin for?

who are you rootin for?

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Dont worry about who this

Dont worry about who this site has the Jazz picking. They always get it wrong. Last year they had us picking Jrue Holiday, well all that never happened. At least they got the right position which wasn't too hard considering how many PG were in last year's draft. Right now I believe the decision is between Udoh, Aldrich, Henry, and Babbitt. I think Babbitt is at the top.

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I'm going for the Celts, but

I'm going for the Celts, but it's gonna be tough to rebound from that beatdown, you?

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same

same... Don't like Lakers winning everything...LOL... I think KG and the gang can get back from that beatdown... I just can't wait for game 7... Never say never...

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the Celtics loveeee to bounce

the Celtics loveeee to bounce back from beatdowns... after game 1 it didnt look like they had a chance then they went on to win 3 of the next 4. they also got their behinds whipped by Cavs and bounced back from that... i'm so pissed, im gonna be on a plane LEAVING LA thursday night so i wont even get to watch.

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I've never seen him play

But I did watch the YouTube remix of bailer and Kansas. Didn't look like udoh did much there. If udoh is so much beeter a p respect he should have dominated but he didn't.

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I've never seen him play

But I did watch the YouTube remix of bailer and Kansas. Didn't look like udoh did much there. If udoh is so much beeter a p respect he should have dominated but he didn't.

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bust in the making

You haven't proven anything, while I've supported my position on Cole Aldrich being a bust in the making with numerous physical and statistical facts.

You see, it's not just about stats. It's about Aldrich being...

1. Too undersized for the NBA center position at 6-9 in socks, 6-10 in shoes
2. Too unathletic to compensate for his lack of size (just 23 inch no step vertical, 28 inch max vertical)
3. Not physically strong enough to compensate for his lack of athleticism (just 10 reps on bench press -- same as Gordon Hayward)

I used Channing Frye as a size, strength and athleticism comparison only. You've seen Channing Frye on a basketball court. How about a center who's shorter, weaker and less athletic? Say hello to Cole Aldrich.

His college shot blocking won't translate to the NBA, since he doesn't have the height (6-9) or athleticism (23 inch no step vert) to be a top shot blocker at the NBA level.

1. Dwight Howard 6-11 athletic leaper
2. Andrew Bogut 7-0 height
3. Greg Oden 7-0 height
4. Josh Smith 6-8 athletic leaper
5. Brendan Haywood 7-0 height
6 Marcus Camby 7-0 height, athletic
7. Chris Andersen 6-10 athletic leaper
8. Samuel Dalembert 6-11 height, athletic
9. Pau Gasol 7-0 height, athletic
10 Brook Lopez 7-0 height

All of these shot blockers are better leapers than Cole Aldrich. Most are taller. To be a top shot blocker in the NBA generally requires either great height or great leaping ability and Aldrich has neither at 6-9 with a 23 inch no step vertical.

So if Cole Aldrich is undersized, unathletic, can't score (fewer ppg in college than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla) and won't be a top shot blocker in the NBA, then he's not worth a lottery pick! Maybe worth a late first or second round pick for a team in need of a backup center, but that's it. You're wasting your lottery pick if you use it to draft Cole Aldrich. I don't think the Jazz will make that mistake.

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height actually has nothing

height actually has nothing to do with it. What matters is wingspan and standing reach. Aldrich actually has nearly a 7'5" wingspan and a 9'3" standing reach. He measures out an inch longer in both of those categories compared to Bogut.

He also has a slightly longer wingspan compared to oden, but a slightly shorter standing reach.

sit down. lol

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height actually has nothing

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You keep throwing out these

You keep throwing out these completelt irrellevant stats comparing Aldrich to other players. Aldrich's height or whatever the hell you said compared to Frye means absolute nothing. These kinds of lame arguements are getting you nowhere.

You are completely ignoring some very important attributes Cole has that some of the players you mentioned lacked. Aldrich plays a very energetic game out there and has a high motor. He also loves contact and will possibly be able to get to 260 plus making him more than capable of banging in the paint with anyone...Channing Frye brings none of that to the table

You are crazy if you think Noah has a better offensive game than Aldrich, I can garauntee you that he has better touch on his post moves, and better footwork than Noah. Aldrich has a better jumper as well.

Another thing people seem to forget about is that Cole's wingspan makes him play like hes over 7 feet tall. I mean come on does it really matter if hes listet at 6'10 or 6'11? Pretty sure Theo Ratliff and Alonzo mourning were not legit 7 footers, more like 6'9 barefoot i'd guess.

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bust in the making

Does Channing Frye have great C size, strength and athleticism?

Aldrich is shorter (6-9), physically weaker and less athletic.

Motor? Jon Brockman has a great motor for a PF. Means NOTHING. No team wants him as their starting PF.

Theo Ratliff and Alonzo Mourning were athletic 6-10 leapers. That's why they could play the C position at 6-10. Aldrich doesn't have anywhere near their level of athleticism.

They, especially Mourning, were also physically stronger than Aldrich.

Aldrich has a pathetic 23 inch no step vertical, 28 inch max vertical -- while weighing just 236 lbs.

If he gains a lot of weight, imagine how his vertical will decrease even more. He'll be in the teens.

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cycloo is garbage

Cole plays a verrrrry different game than frye. cole is a banger, Frye is a &$#%#&@!!

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I don't judge players only by stats, but by their size, physicality, athleticism, skills, character, bball IQ and stats.

Indeed, I've used all of that to judge Cole Aldrich as a bust in the making... while you've used nothing, except college shot blocking stats that won't translate to the NBA level just as Stephane Lasme's, Ekpe Udoh's and Jarvis Varnado's college shot blocking stats won't translate to the NBA level.

Here are the irrefutable facts about Cole Aldrich in nutshell...

Undersized for the NBA C position
True. 6-9 in socks, 6-10 in shoes

Lacks the athleticism to compensate for his lack of size
True. 23 inch no step vertical, 28 inch max vertical

Lacks the physical strength to compensate for his lack of athleticism
True. Just 10 reps on the bench press -- same as Gordon Hayward. So much for the belief that Aldrich is strong. He's not.

Aldrich is shorter, physically weaker and less athletic than Channing Frye according to the NBA's athletic testing
True. Are you impressed with Frye's size, strength and leaping ability? If not, you'll be less impressed with Aldrich's, since he measured below Frye in each area.

Weight:
Frye: 244
Aldrich: 236

Height:
Frye" 6'9.5"
Aldrich: 6'9"

Bench press
Frye: 19 reps
Aldrich: 10 reps (same as Gordon Hayward)

No step vertical
Frye: 27.5 inches
Aldrich: 23 inches

Max vertical
Frye: 31 inches
Aldrich: 28 inches

Yes, Dikembe Mutombo was a more skilled offensive player coming out of college
True. 15.2 ppg. 58.6% fg. 70.3% ft. at Georgetown. Offensively and defensively, Mutombo was the far superior prospect.

Aldrich is a worse offensive player coming out of college than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla
True. This includes college career and final college season. Here's the final college season comparison again.

Joel Pryzbilla 14.4 ppg 61.3% fg.
Eric Montross 13.6 ppg 56% fg.
Cole Aldrich 11.3 ppg 56% fg.

There's a reason why Aran Smith, the owner of this site, compares Cole Aldrich to Eric Montross/Joel Pryzbilla. Drafting this guy in the lottery would be a horrible mistake for any GM. I don't think the Jazz will make that mistake.

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Aldrich = bust in the making

Granted, Cole Aldrich plays a different style than Channing Frye, but how's he going to fare in the NBA at the C position when he's shorter, physically weaker, less athletic, less skilled, and a worse offensive player coming out of college than Channing Frye? Not to mention a worse offensive player coming out of college than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla the two players Aran Smith compares him to.

Height matters at the C position.
If a player doesn't have ideal height, he must have athleticism.
If a player doesn't have athleticism, he must have strength.
Aldrich has none of the above.

Aldrich is undersized (6-9), unathletic (23 inch no step vertical, 28 inch max vertical), and physically too weak (just 10 reps on bench press -- same as Gordon Hayward) to overcome his lack of height at the C position in the NBA.

A quality C prospect needs either ideal height, athleticism or physical strength to be an effective starting C in the NBA and Aldrich has none of the above.

1. Doesn't have the height.
2. Doesn't have the athleticism to make up for his lack of height.
3. Doesn't have the strength to make up for his lack of athleticism.

= career bench player.

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Aldrich = bust in the making

How's Cole Aldrich going to perform in the NBA at the C position when he's shorter, physically weaker, less athletic and a worse offensive player coming out of college than Channing Frye? Who cares if they play different styles? If Aldrich can't measure up to Channing Frye's size, strength or athleticism, what does that say about his future? Not to mention he's a worse offensive player coming out of college than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla -- the two players this website compares him to. These are facts.

Height matters at the C position.
If a player doesn't have ideal height, he must have athleticism.
If a player doesn't have athleticism, he must have strength.
No exceptions.

Aldrich has none of the above.
He's undersized (6-9)
He's unathletic (23 inch no step vertical, 28 inch max vertical)
He's physically too weak (just 10 reps on bench press -- same as Gordon Hayward).
These are facts.

A quality C prospect needs either height, athleticism or physical strength to be an effective starting C in the NBA and Aldrich has none of the above.

Doesn't have the height.
Doesn't have the athleticism to make up for his lack of height.
Doesn't have the strength to make up for his lack of athleticism.

= career bench player

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He's 6'11.25 in shoes per the

He's 6'11.25 in shoes per the combine and has a great standing reach. Also, the bench press is one of the most useless exercises they have at the combine. Every player gets stronger once they enter the league and post effectiveness has more to do with lower body strength than upper.

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wow cyclo, I was done with

wow cyclo, I was done with you but you keep citing irrelevant stats. I'm basing my opinion off of seeing Cole Aldrich play around 40 times over the past 3 years not shot blocking stats. I'm now going to give you in game examples on how he handled NBA propects, something you could never do because you've never seen him play.

2008 Final Four- Cole Aldrich , who you insist has no motor and is slow and could never be an energy player came off the bench and shut down Tyler Hansbrough including blocking one of his shots with his fore arm closd to his elbow. The same Tyler Hansbrough with a 34'' max vert, the same Tyler Hansbrough who repped 185 a solid 18 times and the same Tyler Hansrbough who averaged 9 and 5 as a rookie battling injury problems.

2009- Cole Aldrich averaged 14.9 ppg this season along with 11.1 rebounds. Something you fail to recognize. You look at the stats and come to the conclusion he "got worse" offensively from his soph - junior years, when in fact he didn't. KU added Xavier Henry who is a perimeter shooter and took a great deal of shots, as well as changing the role Aldrich had for the Jayhawks. You're such a stat man, but you failed to look at the fact in 2009 he took 333 shots while in 2010 he took 265. Of course he averaged fewer points, he had a different role on the team. If you were to ever seen KU play in 2008-2009 and then again in 2009-2010 (EVEN ONCE!) you'd come to that conclusion if you had any Basketball IQ, but then again at this point in your bull headed stat oriented arugment I think your Bball IQ would make Gerald Green look like Kobe Bryant.

In an early season matchup with back to back Final 4 team Michigan state with tons of size and strength down low dropped 14 points and 11 rebounds while shooting while finishing strong around the rim, and leading the break. One thing I've forgotten to mention is Aldrich's ability to lead a break. He is one of the best outlet passers in college basketball and well excel at that at an NBA level.

I could really go on all day citing games and instances his pure effectiveness and smarts using his length, foot work and fundamentals to shut down and intimidate opponents, but I really don't have time. Is bench press really an accurate way to gage someone's strength when they have a 7'5'' wingspan? I think not. In this years Missouri game at Missouri he had the ball in his hands and an opponent tried to take it away and Aldrich picked him up off the ground and flung him to the floor. I can rep 185 about 15 times which is the same as Greg Monroe who from a pure size and strength standpoint is probably much stronger than me. Nor would the fact that I can bench around what he does help me at all on a basketball courtl.

Cyclo your silence in answering my question and repetitive stats have told this whole forum you've never seen him play. Aldrich can knock down a 15 footer, has a nice hook shot with both hands, which is enough for a 4th or 5th option in the NBA. He's a high charachter guy who will work hard and do the dirty work, and rebound and block shots. Who cares if he can't jump out of the gym he can without a step jump in get his hand over 11 feet in the air. His wingspan makes up for his height and limited athleticism. Explain Blair's rookie success, short, cant jump, long wingspan and tries hard. Aldrich brings all those things to the table. Your like John Hollinger on crack, just spitting stats and YOU"VE NEVER SEEN HIM PLAY!

now im done

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Does NCAA shot blocking always translate to the NBA? Stephane Lasme, Ekpe Udoh, Hamady N'Diaye and Jarvis Varnado were all outstanding intimidators and shot blockers in college. Do you think their college shot blocking will translate to the NBA?

Jarvis Varnado breaks NCAA career shot blocking record.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNoAwyoRMNE

Cole's college shot blocking won't translate to the NBA, because he simply doesn't have the height (6'9") or athleticism (23 inch no step vert) to be a top NBA shot blocker.

If Cole's shot blocking won't translate to the NBA, what will? His scoring? He's a worse scorer coming out of college than Eric Montross and Joel Pryzbilla. His rebounding? Could be a decent rebounder, but will never be top 10.

Statistics, physical dimensions, skills and athleticism (or lack thereof) are all completely relevant when projecting a player to an NBA position.

Fellow Kansas product Nick Collison, a PF, was a much better college player than Cole Aldrich at C.

Nick Collison final year at Kansas: 18.5 ppg. 10.0 rpg. 55.4% fg.

Prior to the '03 draft, did you also swear by Nick Collison as a lottery pick destined for greatness at the NBA PF position? Did you believe Nick Collison would be a top 10 rebounder in the NBA? I'm sure you did.

Standing 6'8.75" Nick Collison has similar height to 6'9" Cole Aldrich, yet Collison was much more athletic than Aldrich coming out of college.

No step vertical
Nick Collison 28.0 inches
Cole Aldrich 23.0 inches

Max vertical
Nick Collison 33.0 inches
Cole Aldrich 28.0 inches

Less athletic than Nick Collison? Yep.

You say, "Don't post the facts, facts are irrelevant, because I liked Cole at Kansas."

That's too bad, because your boy is going to end up nothing more than a backup C in the NBA.

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wow cyclo, I was done with

double post.

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Cyclo, you appear to be all

Cyclo, you appear to be all stats. Why don't you explain why Joel Pryzbilla is still in the league while guys who looked way better on paper that were drafted before him aren't.

Chris Mihm - bust
Darius Miles - bust
Stromile Swift - bust
Marcus Fizer - bust

I bet all of those guys could jump higher than him, and look better on paper, but Pryzbilla still averages 8-9 rebounds per game and is a guy that many teams would still want on their roster 10 years after he was drafted.

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