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Jazz fan in mass depression...

If the latest nbadraft.net mock is correct, Cole Aldrich will be coming to the Utah Jazz. I just can't understand it. If you want to draft a legit center so bad, then why not draft a kid with more upside like Whiteside or even Orton. It's depressing to me that the Jazz would leave Udoh, and Patterson on the board, and take a slow, unathletic stiff. If this is our pick, for the record, I disapprove. I support the Jazz through thick and thin, but I can't support this selection if it in fact occurs.


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He is not stiff. Go ahead

He is not stiff.

Go ahead and take a poor mans Millsap in Patterson... Because you really need that

Udoh, I like though

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WTF? Slow? Unathletic?

WTF? Slow? Unathletic? Stiff?

I don't think you have seen Cole Aldrich play. He's a difference maker. He could be a solid post player and he's a defensive threat as well. I don't know why you hate the pick to be honest.

Like I said before, If Aldrich averages 9ppg, 9rpg and 1.3bpg for 10 seasons, it's a great pick

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Millsap will wear down as the season goes on...

Because he's undersized and takes a bunch of punishment. He also has a tendency to get in foul trouble. If Boozer is gone, we have to find a suitable backup for Paul. He can't do it alone. Patterson would be a terrific pick. He's so much more talented then Aldrich, but Udoh is even more talented then either.

How could anyone think Aldrich has more potential then Udoh. Udoh will be a terrific player when he puts on a little bit more weight and gets stronger.

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Why R so low on Cole! He is

Why R so low on Cole! He is probably the safest pick in the draft. And if ypu want the Jazz to really draft a center, why would you want them to draft Patterson or Udoh. They are not centers. An dif you wanna know why the Jazz should draft Aldrich read Iggy's scouting report on him.

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/mr7000s-countdown-draft-60-prospects-30-da...

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I see Aldrich getting about

I see Aldrich getting about 9-10 ppg with 9 rpg and about 2 bpg next season. I see him being a solid 13 ppg, 10 rpg and 2 block guy for his career. While playing outstanding post D.

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I've seen Cole play many times...

Sorry...we can agree to disagree. I'm just not a fan.

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I just see about 7 or 8 other players who will be available...

That I like much better.

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Who are 9 players better then

Who are 9 players better then Cole Aldrich who will be available at the 9th spot?

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Good looking out JMan on the

Good looking out JMan on the Scouting report lol

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I'd rather just continue to develop Fesenko...

Then bring Aldrich aboard. I see him being an 8pt 6reb 1bl per game guy in the pros. Maybe if he doesn't trip over his own feet, he might be able to also set a few decent screens. Udoh will have a better career, once he rounds out.

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Udoh, Orton and Whiteside

Udoh, Orton and Whiteside have more bust potential than Aldrich! Aldrich is a safe pick.

The Jazz got merked by the Lakers frontcourt, you need someone with size and D

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Guys I like better the Aldrich...

Aminu, Babbitt, George, Patterson, Udoh, Whiteside, and Davis for starters. I'll throw in Henry also.

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Lol...Merked. Yes, Utah needs

Lol...Merked.

Yes, Utah needs someone over 6-10. Fez is a bench player at best. What ever happened to Kosta Kofous?

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Safe picks are for GM's that are afraid of getting fired...

I'm not the conservative type. Being mediocre doesn't appeal to me. Gasol and Bynum will destroy Aldrich. He isn't really that tall, and doesn't weigh that much. He's also not that quick.

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And Udoh would survive

And Udoh would survive better? No way. Udoh is a combo forward. He is not this big man who could bang down low. He's finesse.

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Aldrich will not be a starting center

not in the NBA...He's a bench center...6 fouls that's it....

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Draft Whiteside if you want some Blocking

Maybe he can defend Bynum in 2 years...But Cole will get dominated for all 4 of his rookie scale seasons and then bye bye...the world doesn't need another goofy looking 6'9 center...he can wear those funny ass shoes that make him 2 inches taller and &$#%#&@! his feet up if he wants...he'll be overseas anyway/....

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I swear you people do not

I swear you people do not understand basketball sometimes lol....Even when the answer is like right in front of your face.

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Anyone who can't see Udoh is going to be a better...

Player then Aldrich must be wearing Helen Keller shades.

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Anyone who thinks Udoh, is

Anyone who thinks Udoh, is gonna be better than Aldrich must be wearing mclovins glasses.

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I'm fully aware that Udoh isn't a banger...

I wouldn't play him much at center. He's more of a power forward. He's more a Lamar Odom type player.

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Who is Udoh better then

Who is Udoh better then Aldrich.

Stay in your lane. Aldrich is a banger, that what you need. If Udoh will never be a banger- Why take him? You don't need Lamar Odom

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I bet there won't be very many cheers...

From the Jazz crowd attending the draft party, if they call out Aldrich's name.

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I'm sure there stats from last season are pretty comparable...

But Udoh is much more versatile, and can do more things out on the floor. I'm not looking for a banger with the ninth pick. The Jazz could find that type of player in free agency. I might be mistaken, but I believe Udoh had a higher shot blocking average last season then Aldrich. And he doesn't just stand in one spot under the rim. Like a Kirilenko, he's capable of causing chaos all over the floor. His offensive game is much more developed. He's got more range on his jumper, and runs the floor very well. He's also got like a 7'4 inch wingspan. Outside of Whiteside, I don't think anyone else in this draft is that long.

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Aldrich isn't too bad, but

Aldrich isn't too bad, but there is 5 guys that I like more than him and they are Babbitt, Hayward, Henry, Patterson, and Sanders. If the Jazz draft one of those guys I will be happy.

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If Babbit is still on the

If Babbit is still on the board, the Jazz better take him...... However, if the current top 8 are all gone, I might have to agree with the Aldrich pick.

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I like Aldrich more than I

I like Aldrich more than I like Udoh the thing that scares me about Udoh is that he is 23...

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Like I said before, Stay in

Like I said before, Stay in your lane.

To find a banger is tough in FA. You will have to overpay for one most likely because alot of teams need bangers.

I think the odds of finding a guard in FA are way better then finding a big/ wind in FA.

Plus, Aldrich is the better player. Udoh has done this in one season. Aldrich as a freshman, got PT in the Final Four and Title game. He had a monster triple double vs Dayton two seasons ago and the only reasons his numbers were down? Xavier Henry. He took the 3rd option role at KU. I think he could be underrated as a prospect. I think Utah should

Draft Cole Aldrich and sign Joe Alexander, Drew Gooden and maybe get pieces back in a S&T for Boozer.

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You will all probably get your wish...

Aldrich is the type of player that Sloan would like. Decent odds they draft him. But for people who think he's going to be the answer to beating teams like the Lakers...dream on.

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Jazz, you seem to not

Jazz, you seem to not understand that you can't always get a superstar with the 9th pick of the draft. People look too much into potential.

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Your team is picking for

Your team is picking for floor not cieling, if they pick for a players cieling Williams gets upset, and as you know if he really wants out hes gone.

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I don't believe in the "draft for need" philosophy

When you draft that way, you end up with Sam Bowie instead of Michael Jordan. I believe in drafting the guy whose left on the board who has the most potential to be great. Aldrich is clearly not THAT player at number 9. He's pretty much a finished product all ready. He doesn't have the size, weight, or skill set to go against the Dwight Howard's and Pau Gasol's. I'd rather draft a guy who has a chance to get better, if there willing to put in the work.

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Screw Mr. Deron Williams...

The Jazz have been nothing but great to Deron Williams. They drafted him over Chris Paul, they gave him the keys to the Ferrari, and awarded him a huge contract. He just needs to run the team on the floor, and let the front office handle the rest. If he wants to leave so badly...then there is the door. I don't think a player, no matter how great they may be, should be allowed to hold a team hostage. You can' t have the inmates running the asylum. I'm tired of the Jazz trying to kiss Mr. Williams ass.

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I'm tired of the Jazz trying

I'm tired of the Jazz trying to kiss Mr. Williams ass.

Get used to it, your GM's gonna be doing it for the next 6-8 seasons

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All these guys that want the Jazz to draft Aldrich may be NBA fans put they aren't real Jazz fans!!! Nobody with an eye for talent would say Aldrich is a better prospect than Udoh or Monroe or Patterson.
Knicksboy32 & Iggy what is it that makes Aldrich so good in your eyes? He isn't fast, quick, strong, no hops, he has a terrible looking shot, he is shorter than most centers, he only weighs like 234 lbs, he doesn't have the bulk to bang in the NBA, he isn't even close to being like Perkins, (Orton is). He has done 2 things of interest in college, he has been a pretty good shot blocker and decent rebounder but he won't be able to do either as well in the NBA. Your arguements are laughable, they don't make any sense.
Both Fess and KK are bigger, stronger, and have more potential.
Udoh played in the same conference as Aldrich and was the leading rebounder and shot blocker. In my book the Jazz need a PF that is a defensive minded, shot blocker. Udoh is that and much more. Watch the Jazz top scouts comments on Udoh on nba.com / Jazz.

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I don't remember guys like Bird, or Magic,

Or even Jordan trying to meddle so much in front office affairs. It's like todays player, whether it's James, or Bryant, or Williams, or whoever else, feels like they should have some sense of entitlement or power that previous generations of players didn't have. If I were Cleveland, I would offer LeBron the best deal I could (financially), but I wouldn't let him dictate who would be coaching the team, or having power in making personnel decisions. Management needs to take back the power, and say, players play, coaches coach, and front office decisions are made by front office people. If you think the grass is really that much greener somewhere else, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Whatever happened to loyality. Guys who played most of their careers with one team.

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Todays players are spoiled brats...

And I'm tired of the whining. I think the league needs a lockout, and I think the players need to get put back in their place. Stern holds all the cards anyway. In the end, he's going to get most of whatever it is he want's.

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I've been lurking around

I've been lurking around these boards for about a month, and I swear some of you people really scare me.

The Jazz need a physical defensive presence in the paint not a damn combo forward or a guy that rode the bench as a freshman last year. Cole Aldrich is perfect for them. He is in no way a stiff, not all white guys from kansas are stiffs, he can move his feet and has a really good shooting touch as well. Not to mention his game changing defense and rebounding.

The only post player they should even consider is Whiteside, but I wouldn't even do that. He is soft and shys away from contact, and is very raw. Something tells me Jerry Sloan doesn't want a player like that. Aldrich on the other hand is ready to contibute and bang in the paint with the best of them. I predict many double-double seasons in his future, along with a couple blocks.

You can't really expect anything more with your pick. You won't be getting a superstar.

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i think cole would be a

i think cole would be a decent pick for the jazz but i honestly think that if orton is healthy he would be a better pick. Orton is also a tough nosed kid but has a little more potential the aldrich. I see Orton as a pj brown type player who is going to rebound, play defense, and work hard. That to me seems like the Jazz type of player. I dont necessarily think picking aldrich is going to be a terrible pick but will they be passing up better talent yes, (not saying if they picked orton there wouldn't be better talent). Will he fit with the team and what they do sure but again i think orton if healthy (which is a question) is a better pick.

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holy damn are you guys insane

holy damn are you guys insane if u see him being a solid contributor in the nba. If i was a jazz a fan i would be crying after this pick. He is your stereotypical white post, he is gonna struggle in the L against stronger more athletic players. yall can dock me all the points u want but u guys will the fools when he is bust, actually scratch tht cuz i expect nothing from him anyways

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He weighs about 230 right

He weighs about 230 right now, that means he will easily hit 250 in a couple years...so what makes you think he isn't strong enough?

Rebounding almost always translates to the next level, and with his long ass arms I'm sure the shotblocking will too. He is a 7 footer with his wingspan. So tell me why he can't do that in the L.

None of you have given any real reason why he won't succeed. There are players with far less athleticism with him who have become good players.

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Supposedly Orton's knees are

Supposedly Orton's knees are a big concern. I forget where I read it, I think Hoopshype, but he had problems in high school, and appears to still have problems now. Previous health concerns are one thing, but predicted future health concers (knee) are bad sign. Also, watching video on these two guys, Aldrich looks more athletic then Orton, given Orton's knee issues.

Aldrich would be a better pick at this time, because right now he is what Orton would be in two years, assuming his knees are not a problem. He has some strength to add, but with NBA conditioning programs he should get much better.
The major concern for the Jazz should be his shot. While it has been effecive some times, the form make it inconsistent.

A player like Udoh would be helpful for the team to have, but long athletic 4s are becoming much more prevalent than low Post thugs with size (over 7'2 standing reach), smarts (avoids fouls when blocking shots/playing defense), rebounding, and the potential to contribute offensively. Draft express calls him a rich Joel Pryzbilla, but how about 90% of Andrew Bogut on defense and the boards, and 75% of him on offense (Could be much better with D Will). Would you take that at the 9th pick?

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Udoh is a better shot blocker then Aldrich...

As good a rebounder, a better scorer, and a little more versatile. Check the stats from last season. He's also a better passer. Udoh improved dramatically from his soph to junior season, while if anything Aldrich slightly digressed from his play the previous year. Also, didn't you guys watch Udoh in the NCAA tournament? His play didn't impress you at all?
Really? He impressed the hell out of me. I don't even know if Aldrich is the best player on his college team. I see him being a Przybilla type player in the NBA. Yipee...we drafted Joel Pryzbilla with a lottery pick. That's bound to help sell season tickets. I see Udoh being a Luol Deng (worst case) /Lamar Odom (best case) type player. That's sound to me more like what a top 10 pick should be.

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Jazzin....How can you say

Jazzin....How can you say that Aldrich wasn't the best player on his team and hold that against him? His squad was far more deep and talented, I don't care how good Baylor played last season.

Also saying that he Udoh is a better shot blocker, rebounder, and scorer is a little absurd, or at least speculative. You wanna look at stats lets do that:

Rebounds: Both averaged 9.8

Points: Aldrich: 11.3, Udoh: 13.9

Blocks: Exactly the sam basically, Udoh got 3.7 to Aldrich's 3.5...a .2 difference

MINUTES: Udoh played over 35 minutes per game, while Aldrich played only 26.8

Conclusion: Cole Aldrich was SUPERIOR in all 3 statistical categories when he was on the court.

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Ekpe Udoh shouldn't even be

Ekpe Udoh shouldn't even be drafted in the top 10. He produced one season of good numbers at age 23. He has potential but not as much as you think. You want Lamar Odom ( at best) you take him then.

Players like Cole Aldrich are what seperate the great and good players in the NBA. You wanna "sell tickets" and such. There's a reason why players like Kendrick Perkins, NeNe, Adrien Biedrens, Robin Lopez and even Ben Wallace in the earlier days were starters and are perfect: They know there role and do it well.

I don't agree we what you think personally. I think at the 9th pick, It should be between Cole Aldrich, Ed Davis and Hassan Whiteside. I would take Cole Aldrich because in Utah's position: Your getting another 2 1st round picks in 2011 and AK47's deal is off the books. I would bring in the constant first before adding the variable. That's just me.

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I'm glad your not picking for the Jazz!!! I would give Aldrich his dues if I could see it, but I don't see it . He is slow, can't jump, has a terrible shot, there is no way his shot will be effective in the NBA, watch him shoot, terrible. He is very limited with his moves, he isn't strong, he's short for a center, weighs around 234, no way he is banging at that weight. What he did in the way of banging in college will be totally different in the Pros. He was one of the bigger guys on the floor every game in college, but in the NBA he will be one of the smaller and lighter guys, no way he will be as effective.
Everyone wants to say the Jazz need him in the middle, I would agree if I thought it was time to abandon Fes and KK but I don't, both of them are better than Aldrich. Both of them are taller, and bigger and can bang better. If what your wanting is a banger.
Whiteside has alot of potential and I was high on him 2 or 3 weeks ago, until I started reading everything I could about him and found out he is a head case, weak, not a fighter, aragant without cause, takes bad shots, and several other things I can't remember. The accumulation of things I heard and learned turned me off and I no longer want to take the chance on him. If he develops and becomes great (which he could) then someone will be smiling. Not me though.
Davis is a very good athlete, with good hops and good speed but he doesn't have an offensive game, he can't score unless he is inside 7 ft, no outside shot. he doesn't have handles, not a good passer. plays like a center but only weighs something like 222, he has narrow shoulders and doesn't look like he can fill out and put on much weight. Project to say the least.
NeNe, Biedriens, Lopex and Wallace are all good athletes, Aldrich isn't anything like them. I'd say he has the potential to develop if he had their athleticism but he doesn't.
This draft will be interesting to see who develops and who doesn't. I've watched, played and coached BBall for 50+ yrs and I don't see the talent in Aldrich some of you are talking about.

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The offensively-challenged one

Cole Aldrich is destined to be a lottery BUST in the tradition of Eric Montross, Todd Fuller and Joel Pryzbilla. How is that a "safe pick" for the Jazz at #9 in the lottery?

Aldrich measured only 6-9 in socks, which is shorter than every center on the Jazz roster and 3 inches shorter than Ostertag.

He weighs 236 lbs.

His no step vertical leap is a whopping 23 inches.
His max vertical leap is 28 inches, which is lead-footed.

He simply cannot score (9.4 ppg in college) and won't score at the NBA level. Isn't much of a passer either. Averaged less than 1 assist per game in college. 0.6 to be exact.

Aran Smith compares Aldrich to Eric Montross/Joel Pryzbilla. The comparison is accurate. See their career numbers in college.

Eric Montross, North Carolina, 7-0
11.7 ppg 6.8 rpg 0.6 apg 1.2 bpg 58.5 fg%

Joel Pryzbilla, Minnesota, 7-1
9.9 ppg. 6.9 rpg. 1.9 apg. 3.3 bpg. 59.1 fg%

Cole Aldrich, Kansas, 6-10
9.4 ppg. 7.7 rpg. 0.6 apg. 2.3 bpg. 57.4 fg%

Aldrich is the most offensively-challenged of the three, averaging the fewest points per game and the lowest field goal%.

A 3 inch shorter version of Ostertag?

Final season scoring in college:

Joel Pryzbilla 14.4 ppg 61.3% fg.
Eric Montross 13.6 ppg 56% fg.
Cole Aldrich 11.3 ppg 56% fg.

The offensively-challenged one.

A worse offensive player than Montross and Pryzbilla? Yep.

Just what the Jazz need in the lottery? Nope.

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Like I said before. Players

Like I said before.

Players like Cole Aldrich are what seperate the great and good players in the NBA. You wanna "sell tickets" and such. There's a reason why players like Kendrick Perkins, NeNe, Adrien Biedrens, Robin Lopez and even Ben Wallace in the earlier days were starters and are perfect: They know there role and do it well.

This is the difference between teams like LA and Utah. The difference is that you fans just won't stay in your lane.

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Q, you keep spoutin off about

Q, you keep spoutin off about fans not staying in lanes... what are you talkin about dude... Cole Adlrich is not what separates great and good players in the NBA. he will NOT be a GREAT player if that's what you're saying. He'll be decent.

He needs to get a better J if he's going to fit into the JAzz system. (Not that Udoh was very efficient as a jump shooter last season) I'd take Patterson over both those guys.

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Hassan Whiteside is not the

Hassan Whiteside is not the answer either. That kid will NEVER do well under Sloan. Sloan wold quit before he coached that kid. LOL. That kid was afraid of playing real competition so he went to Marshall.

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