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  • #29610
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    Peanut
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    KOC said that the Jazz will probably take the best player availible. so if Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams are gone do you think that they will Take Enes Kanter over Brandon Knight?

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  • #537512
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    One thing that you have to remember is the for the Jazz, the interview is taken into account as much as the actual workout. Knight has had some great interviews and Kanter said that he felt uncomfortable because of the language barrier. (Although he still interviewed with at least Washington)

    I think that the Jazz end up going with Knight.

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  • #537513
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    PHILA9
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     I hope they take E.Kanter because I want B.Knight to fall to the Raptors.

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  • #537514
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    WizardofOz
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    I think the Jazz pick Knight. He had a great combine, they’re overloaded in the frontcourt, and Harris is not the franchise-PG.

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  • #537515
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    GrandfiNalley101
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    Kanter if he is a stud but I have them grabbing Knight and then coming back and taking someone with upside like Montie or Jeremy Tyler. They have always drafted well.

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  • #537517
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    I say Knight considering they already have two good PFs.

    Knowing this is Utah’s pick I wouldn’t be suprised if they choose Jimmer lol… God told them to do it!

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  • #537522
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    SwatLakeCity
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     That depends. Do they want to get rid of Jefferson? That will be the key to the Jazz drafting Kanter. With their current roster Kanter would not make sense as he would not get much playing time and would have to come off the bench unless Favors ends up not starting. But even then a combo of Jefferson and Kanter would not be too good as they are essentially the same player. Now if they want to deal Jefferson then of course they would take Kanter and have a duo of Kanter and Favors. (Wouldn’t that be intimidating?)

    However if the Jazz do not want to deal Jefferson they would likely take Brandon Knight. I really like this kid, and he seems like a perfect fit for the Jazz. The Jazz seem to like him too. He’s big, plays hard, has a good understanding of the game, he is both a good shooter, and a good defender, and his passing game is developing. He is very high on a lot of teams draft boards and I think he will be a pretty good player in the NBA. 

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  • #537568
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    I don’t see how the Jazz pass Kanter up, regardless.

    Millsap is too small to play PF as a starter, Jefferson doesn’t play defense, and if you read the article about the Jazz and their draft plans, Memo is not being counted on to return. That tells me they’re simply looking for the best player, regardless of position.

    I see the long range plans for the Jazz with Kanter and Favors, with whoever is willing to take a back seat filling in as a sixth man, Jefferson or Millsap. Yes, I think there’s a trade in the works for one of those guys. I suspect it’s Millsap unless he’s willing to come off the bench, where I think he’s perfectly suited.

    While I like Kanter better, I do like Knight as well, and won’t be upset with either choice.

    What you should be looking at is who will be a better player in three years, Jefferson, Millsap or Kanter? If you feel it’s Kanter, like I do, then the question is solved.

    The 2012 draft has several PG prospects availabe at the GS pick, which likely will be 8-12, while beasts like Kanter don’t come along very often.

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  • #537575
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    As a Jazz Fan I hope they draft Kanter, he is by far the best player available if Williams and Irving are gone. I’m not that high on Knight, he may end up being a good player but he has alot of developing to do.  I think Kanter and Favors as the front court for the future is a very strong team. Then the Jazz can trade Big Al or Milsap and get the players they need to fill in the gaps, a 3 man is what would be needed if they can find one on the market.

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  • #537577
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    I noticed that the site has updated the draft and now has Kanter and Jimmer as the draft choices. I agree.

    The 2012 draft has several Wing players who should be available, like Jones or Harrison who should have come out this year. It’s going to cost them a lot of money staying in school.

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  • #537610
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    TRC1991
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    minnesota will take whoever utah doesnt between knight and kanter

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  • #537612
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    I would take Kanter. He can space the court with his shooting ability, him and Favor would be really good in two years.  Both guys would compliment each other. Devin Harris is not a Elite PG like Paul, Rose and DWill, but he is tier 2. Devin just two years ago was a 20 point scorer, plus he’s known for his defensse. 

    Here is Trade deal for Utah if they want to get rid Jefferson.

    To Orlando: Al Jefferson

    To Utah: Gilbert Arenas

    If the deal goes through Buyout Harris or Gilbert. Still Draft Jimmer for his Shooting ability to come off the bench. Millsap is a back up second unit guy. Utah is don’t need to draft Brandon Knight.

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  • #537617
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    Kanter and Favors could be pretty beastly. PG are the easiest position to get through trade or free agency. Even at 12 you have Jackson or Fredette who are no scrubs. Kanter is how you have to go.

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  • #537627
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    WizardofOz
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    I am ver weary of Kanter. The fact that he doesn’t want to competetively workout against anybody is a big red flag to me. Makes it look like he has something to hide. Anybody can look good against cones and chairs. Remember Yi??? I think he would be a reach at #3.

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  • #537647
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    After the combine tests I think they take Kanter at 3 and Jimmer at 12. Maybe they take Knight instead at 3. If so that would put the 12th up in the air.

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  • #537760
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    This pick comes down to a few things:

    The prospective package Utah could garner in a Jefferson trade, which should happen sooner or later

    Whether they truly believe that Knight is capable of being an elite PG, not just a Harris type of guy. (I don’t expect him to turn out quite like Devin, in that Harris seems a bit self-centered at times, but both have good size and are known as scorers at the position, so the possibility is there.)

    Whether they get a good enough look at Kanter, and whether or not he is open to playing in Utah without protest. (Let’s hope he doesn’t turn out like Yi).

    All in all, unless Minny pulls a shocker and drafts Kanter 2, then I see Utah selecting him 3rd. (Prob Jimmer at 12)

    Also, in a little side note, I’d love to see them ship Harris out to GS in a package for Curry. Harris makes sense for GS in that he can guard 2-guards better than the current undersized combo, so the likelihood is there.

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  • #537763
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    If the Jazz were able to draft Kanter and trade and get back Curry in return that would make them one of the better young teams for a few years.

     

    I just don’t see the GS thing happening.

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  • #537776
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    I personally would be happy taking either of these players, I think they both fit a need for rebuilding for the future, and they both have the character that the Jazz Orginization values. Judging by what the orginization has been trying to sell to its fan base, that they plan on going the OKC route and building through the draft, by giving their young players substantial playing time, I would assume the only way they pick Kanter is with the confidence that they can move Jefferson, as I don’t see him accepting a role behind a rookie, or watching his minutes diminish because of it. However with picking Knight I don’t think they look at that as a immediate need to move Harris, especially considering since the trade he was one of the more vocal veteran leaders in the locker room when he came over, in addition you can also play him at off guard from time to time with a harris-Knight back court, allot like what he did in his Dallas days, at which i thought he was the most effective.

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  • #537780
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     if Kanter and Favors are a good fit build around that, they can build the teams through trades with Okur (expiring), Jefferson, Harris and Milsap. and draft Honeycutt for defense and shooting

    One idea: Jefferson and 12 pick for Iggy and 16 pick

    second idea: Harris for Flynn and Tolliver

    Minny: they want veteran leadership and Rubio can learn from him and can start to get rubio use to the system. plus after next yr they can use harris’ contract in the trade market because it will be expiring

    Team to build from

    PG – Flynn 22 yrs old

    SG – Iggy 27 yrs old but veteran leadership

    SF – Honeycutt 20 yrs old

    PF – Favors – 20 yrs old

    C – Kanter 19 yrs old

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  • #537791
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    symbol: Why are you so high on Honeycutt, I don’t see him being all that good. He wouldn’t beat out Hayward.      Flynn isn’t the point guard I’d want to build my team around either.

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  • #537803
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     I like the Jefferson trade to get Iggy and the 16th pick, but I don’t like the trade to get Flynn. I don’t want to build around him. I would much rather keep Harris then get Flynn. I am also not that high on Honeycutt. I’d much rather use that 16th pick to replace AK, since he is gone, by getting Tobias Harris or Chris Singleton. 

    Another trade that I have thought about for along time but have debated about whether or not to post it is Jefferson to the Pacers for Danny Granger. Straight up. The Jazz get a veteran starter that can replace AK, and they get some added offense that AK did not bring as well as the defense that he did bring. Of course he doesn’t have the wingspan that AK does but I think he more than makes up for that with his offensive ability. He is also a team player. The Pacers may not want to lose Granger but they simply can’t pass up the combo of Jefferson and Hibbert. The Pacers have been looking for someone to pair with Hibbert eversince they traded Troy Murphy. Hansbrough might work but again Jefferson would obviously be better and simply too much to pass up. They are also are not at a loss by losing Granger. They have Paul George who could really take this trade as a chance to really develop. If George does not develop the Pacers can always draft Tobias Harris with the 15th pick, and be prepared for what ever happens. 

    Jazz lineup after Jefferson for Granger trade:

    Harris/Jimmer (12th pick)

    Hayward/Miles

    Granger/Jeremy Evans

    Kanter(3rd pick) or Favors/Millsap

    Favors or Kanter/Fez or Okur (If he is able to come back from his injury

    Pacers lineup after the Jefferson for Granger trade:

    Collison

    George

    Harris

    Jefferson

    Hibbert

     

     

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  • #537813
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    bksmith
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    Right before the trade deadline in the 2009-10 season the Timberwolves made that offer and Indiana basically laughed them off the phone. If the Jazz were serious about a trade to get Granger (and I wish they were) they would take the Jazz offering a few picks. I am afraid that it would have to take the GS pick and maybe swapping the 12th and 15th picks this year.

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  • #537816
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    I think the question is…is Kanter CLEARLY the best available after Irving and Williams?  Maybe, but not necessarily by so large a gap that the Jazz pass on Knight.  I like Knight in this position.

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  • #537818
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    Here is a good link to the story. Maybe things have changed but I really doubt it. Granger was the only consistent performer for the Pacers in the playoffs.

     

    http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2010/01/wolves-offer-al-jefferson-for-danny-granger-larry-bird-immediately-turns-it-down/

     

     

    On a side note Jefferson dominates Boozer and Hibbert and Noah nearly are equal players. Noah has a higher motor but Hibbert has some great length.

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