James McAdoo is Marvin Williams
People who are hyped on McAdoo have to let it go. He is reminds me so much of Marvin Williams who played on a stacked North Carolina team and was able to shine because the so much talent was on the floor. McAdoo is the in the same boat. He would have been a top 10 pick last year because he was able to hide behind all of the talent he was surrounded. Is he a NBA player absolutely, is he a franchise, all-star type talent, I dont see it. He came back for his sophomore year and you see that he is limited. He is a tweener with subpar ball-handling, no three-point range, and terrible free-throw shooter.
Marvin got himself drafted as the number 2 pick, ahead of Deron Williams and Chris Paul because he hid behind talent. McAdoo atleast came back to try and prove he could be a star but I dont see it. Is it just me?
I agree. He is similar to Tony Mitchell; his tweener status will definitely hurt him, and he doesn't have refined skills for the next level.
You correct, footwork is horrible. I am glad he decided to come back, because some foolish team would have taken him top 5 last year and would have been very disappointed.
I'm not a fan of him but I think he'll look better as a pro than as a college player. For one, he won't be a go-to player. 2nd he'll be able to just play in space and make athletic, hustle plays. He's basically a face up 4, energy player forced to play more of a back-to-the-basket, go-to player role and he doesn't have the requisite skills for that. Put him in a lesser role and he'll look better.
Harris got in enough shape to flat out be a 3 and Mcadoo needs to get leaner and be a big 3. He can still play some four like Marcus Morris on occasion with the Rockets but I don't really know if he is better than either of these guys. If he plays 25 minutes at the four in a NBA game he will be destroyed.
Harris was better from a skills/feel perspective.
I don't think there's any way for McAdoo to be a 3. His perimeter skills are pretty garbage.
He could get a few minutes there if you are going big but you don't want him guarding much quicker players out on the perimeter on a consistent basis. Even though he is a good athlete with size, he would have a hard time guarding NBA wings who are a lot faster. He can't shoot either, no range. That is why I don't understand the Marvin Williams comparison at all. Not that Williams was known for his shooting coming out of college but they are much different players. I would like to see McAdoo grow more of a post-game. Has shown some nice turn arounds out of the post and he could develop more post moves and counters utilizing his quickness against bigger players. He will have to increase his energy to if he is going to be a role player. He has a tendency to disappear when I'm watching UNC. I would definitely not use a high pick on him.
I remember when I got blasted last year for saying McAdoo was an inferior small forward prospect than Harrison Barnes. I never saw what all the fuss was about; he was a decent athlete for the 3, but he had no grasp of playing on the perimeter, and his "polished post game" in high school disappeared as soon as he played against people his own size.
I could see him being a Thaddeus Young type, who hustles and runs the floor, great big off your bench, but wouldn't want him starting.
If there is any one who got blasted for saying Mcadoo is Meh was me man... seriously i thought it was ABSOLUTELY ridiculous for thinking he was a lotto prospect last year.
I was the first person to have him outside of the top 10 in this website, with Siggy. I was the first person to have him outside of the Lotto in this website, with Siggy.
I remember people saying he was SO athletic, and had SO much handles, and his jumps shot was SO wet. YEAH RIGHT!!!
whatttttt? mcadoo is marvin williams? NOOOOOO lol. come on. thats a ridiculous statement
I just watched him play against my boys (UVA), and he looked BAD. I was never a fan of McAdoo and I made it clear when I said he wasn't a lottery pick after last season. He should have had the edge over our frontcourt of Akil Mitchell and Darion Atkins but McAdoo really played out of control and looked lost at times. He still looks like he wants to be a small forward even though he will in all likelihood be playing power forward at the next level. Very poor performance from him and that's really just been a microcosm of his play this season.
or derrick williams of the timberwolves. He is very athletic, but he doesnt really affect the game and he is not quick enough to gaurd SFs and he has no range on his jumpshot.
Guy should have left his freshman year.
Roy made the kid lose alooooot of money for sticking around another year.
McAdoodoo....unc is going to love having you next season.
I don't see him nearly as good of a college player as Derrick Williams but the same situation where he lacks a true position. Could you see him trying to go up against KG, Duncan, Love, Gasol, or ZBo? Don't forget how good Willaims was in college and that tournament run Arizona made with him dominating.
Carolina fan here and he doesnt at all remind me of Marvin Williams except an the facts that they are both around the same size and played behind talented players there first year. Williams was far more skilled and was way more of an impact from the start of his freshman year. Williams Potential was far greater in my opinion anyway. He actually played on the perimeter some while at UNC, everyone knew he would involve into a sf because of his athletic ability and skill set.
Compared to McAdoo, Williams was the better shooter, ball handler, more explosive, played "BIG" in big games, he did basically everything better than McAdoo at the same stage. His stats where impressive too 11pg 6.6 rpg 50% fg, 43% 3pt, 85% ft 1.1 stls in 22 mins, judging from those stats you seen his potential as a SF, unlike McAdoo.
I like McAdoo but he's been very unimpressive this year, he doesnt go up and attack the rim hard, he's very timid in traffic, turnover prone, average defender if that, solid rebounder, below average handles, average mid range shooter, ok freethrow shooter for a big, none of his current skill sets scream SF, and he's not really a PF but He's better suited as a PF.
If he wants to have the most success at the next level he needs to return to school. Develop his skills more, because he going to be a face up 4 man, so he needs to improve his mid range game, become more active on both sides of the ball, slow down in the post. To me this offseason i dont think he put enough effort into his game as he needed to. He needed to have a Derrick Williams and Thomas Robinson type offseason and produce like they did during the season. He didnt put the effort in and its showing.
Another UNC fan here. The OP is an insult...to Marvin Williams.
Marvin was MUCH MUCH MUCH better than McAdoo at the same stage and it's not even close. Better ball handler, rebounder, and shooter.
McAdoo looks the part but does not have the swagger of someone who is 6'9" 245 lbs. He is softer than toilet paper. That's the thing that is most puzzling to me. He should be overpowering his oppenents, but he just isn't getting the job done. He would be a high risk high reward type player. I guess he still has time to turn it around, he did play good against T-Rob (another disappointment) last year in the tourney.
However for right now he looks HORRIBLE.
Marvin was and is more skilled than McAdoo and Marvin isn't all that skilled by NBA standards at small forward. No way does McAdoo have the skill level to play small forward at the next level.
The most puzzling thing about McAdoo to me is the near complete absence of blocks. At the college level, just having good size and athleticism and even a token sense of timing should net a decent amount of blocks. McAdoo has 16 total thus far in his college career. It's unbelievable. It's not like his defensive value is hidden by regular stats either. His post defense is weak, he doesn't alter shots or cause misses around the rim and he doesn't take charges. Your best defensive skill can't be gambling for steals 20 feet from the basket. He needs a lot of work on both ends of the court.
McAdoo's capable of athletic plays but for whatever reason, he can look very unathletic. He's been embarrassed at the rim trying to finish way more than a good athlete should in college and then there's his non-impact on defense.
Marvin was a much more advanced prospect after his NCAA rookie year than McAdoo was, also Marvin was considered much more of a true SF than McAdoo is. The problem with Marvin was he was drafted maybe 5 places too high and there were two franchise PG's just behind him. Marvin hasn't had a bad NBA career but hasn't had a spectacularly good one and also hasn't quite got the intangibles that an MKG may have which justified him being drafted high last year.
I'd say that McAdoo now is a late lottery guy if he declares this year, there could a school of thought that another year under Coach Williams could help his game but the 2014 draft looks very stacked so his upside there could be limited.
I'd say he's closer to late teens, possible early 20s.
I don't see him as a high reward player because of his tweener size, poor skillset and minimal feel for the game. He looks like an energy player to me. Similar to T-Rob last yr, but without the physicality.
That's not such a bad thing. McAdoo isn't going to go #2, if Marvin Williams got drafted in the 9-14 range, he'd be looked at as a good pick.
Going #2 has caused some to look at Marvin as a bust but I think more so than that was what Atlanta needed at the time(PG) and who was selected after Marvin(CP3 & DWill). You are right though. If he's was drafted in the bottom half of the lottery he would be a successful pick. He never became what many thought he would be though.
I never meant that McAdoo is as good as Marvin. My point was that Marvin got alot of hype and went number 2 because he was able to hide behind alot of great talent. The same reason why McAdoo got alot of hype and would have be a top 5 pick last year. I agree Marvin is much better than McAdoo but not nearly as good as people made him out to be when he was playing with McCants, Felton, and May.
Its not because McAdoo is without a significant amount of talent. I contend and will do so to the end that Roy Williams terrible coaching is making a lot of players look much worse than what they are. We are losing to teams like Texas and UVA and struggling with ECU. Bullock hasnt looked great, neither has Paige. Its because Roy simply is bad and getting worse. People are blinded by the titles. We have the same team as always....leading the NCAA in rebounds or close to it, but no spacing on offense, no defensive concept, no movement on offense, 2 PG's starting while your best scorer per min and best all around player avgs 16mpg. Having your best natural SG play limited minutes, repetitive substitutions for no reason. Your weakest perimeter shooter having just as many or more FGA's from the perimeter than the best shooter? UNC is bad, and McAdoo is going to get the worst criticism because of it. Roy has not even developed this guy and his stock drop is reminiscent of Barnes.
Criticism is warranted however because these guys are young and if McAdoo was on a team like UK, Coach Cal could mask a lot of his deficiencies. McAdoo has not developed any facets of his game and he doesnt play agressive. You still have to realize the college game can make a player look much better or much worse than he actually is. Let's say Kendall Marshall was there? UNC would be winning more, McAdoo would be getting a lot more easy buckets. Would he be a different player? No. But the perception of him likely would be.
This is why it is doubtful we have many more great recruiting classes because Roy's style has made players look much less than spectacular. McAdoo is not a polished player, thats for sure, but who is going to give him the polish? How many times must UNC lose to teams with far inferior talent level until someone realizes, its not all on the players?
You have a point. Roy is some of the blame definitely. His substitutions are crazy and he hasnt established a go to guy, who to me looks like it should be Reggie Bullock. Yet on the other hand, the players have no clue have to rotate defensively, some are terribly physically weak i.e, Paige and Johnson, others lack perimeter skills (Strickland) but is the best perimeter defender, and then the rest are lacking fundamentals,
I've always thought, even dating back to KU, that Roy can do a lot with polished college players w/ good IQ's but he really falls short when it comes to developing raw talent.
McAdoo lnew the situation coming back, he was put in a prime position and i feel he didnt develop much over the summer. For example that little swinging turnaround shot that he likes, that should be automatic,. Ball handling is fairly easy to work on as well as strngth. Bit of face up shooting.
That being said i dont know his summer regime but to me it doesnt looked like he helped himself that much.
Thay old desire to be great thingy
I dont think McAdoo knew the situation coming back, but I think other potential recruits are taking note now. First Barnes, now McAdoo. If there were no age rule, he likely wouldve been the #1 pick coming out, after his freshman year, it looked like him and Kyrie were the top two choices, but he certainly was top 3. I believe he wouldve went before Derrick Williams....but certainly before Kanter. Roy does help develop the players and when they are playing bad (McAdoo lack of aggressiveness, laziness) he lets them play. There is no reprimand. Roy continued to play Larry Drew and never forced him to get better until it was too late, then Drew left...but overall, it didnt help him because of his sense of entitlement. I just cant stand Roy's coaching or his staff outside of Hubert Davis who is brand new but may have some potential one day. McAdoo has to leave this year or he will fall out of the 1st round with the way UNC is playing.....which is reminiscent of the team that had all those MAA's and didnt make the tourney.
Marvin, while a bust for a #2, is athletic and very long so can at least play the SF position. McAdoo looks like a pure tweener to me. Not big enough to play PF, not quick enough to guard NBA SFs. The SF/PF tweener tend to be busts more than any other mold of player. Add to the fact he is not leading NC to anything this year means I wouldn't pick him until late first round.
This kid going back to school saved some GM his job. He's costing himself more money each game..