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James Harden got Trade to the Rockets

James Harden got Trade to the Rockets source yahoo.
I can't believe it.


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where's the site? i dont see

where's the site? i dont see anything

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James Harden Traded To Houston

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The Oklahoma City Thunder has traded reigning Sixth Man of the Year James Harden, The Oklahoman has learned.

Harden will be sent to Houston for Kevin Martin, rookie Jeremy Lamb, two first-round picks and a second-round pick. The Thunder is also sending center Cole Aldrich and guards Daequan Cook and Lazar Hayward to the Rockets.

The deal comes on the heels of negligible progress being made on a contract extension for Harden following nearly four months of negotiating. As a result, the Thunder parted ways with the fan favorite after stagnant talks made it clear Harden would be too much of a financial burden to keep.

If no deal was reached on an extension by Wednesday’s midnight Eastern deadline, Harden would have become a restricted free agent next summer. Houston is believed to now be ready to ink Harden to the maximum-allowable contract that Harden has long been believed to covet.

A report by Yahoo! Sports on Saturday said Harden recently turned down a four-year extension worth roughly $52 million. The report also was the latest to say Harden is pushing for a max deal, expected to be roughly $60 million over four years.

But with max contracts extended to Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook — as well as more than $52 million invested in Serge Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins over the next three seasons alone — the Thunder faced the possibility of stiff penalties under the new, more punitive collective bargaining agreement.

Had the Thunder been able to ink Harden to a $13 million annual contract, a franchise playing in the league’s third smallest market would have owed $67 million to just five players next season. That figure would have increased to $70 million in 2014-15 for those same five players.

The tax threshold for this season is $70.3 million. Starting next season, teams must pay an incremental rate starting at $1.50 for every dollar they exceed the threshold.

NBA commissioner David Stern has trumpeted “player sharing” in this new collective bargaining agreement, and the Thunder becomes the first team to fall victim to the more stringent rules.

Oklahoma City will receive a protected first-round pick from Toronto in 2013, a pick the Raptors sent Houston in the Kyle Lowry trade, as well as a protected 2013 first-round pick from Dallas, which the Rockets received from the Lakers in last year’s Derek Fisher trade.

The second-round pick is 2013 selection belonging to Charlotte. Houston acquired it from Boston in the Courtney Lee trade. It’s the same pick the NBA recently forced the Thunder to convey to the Celtics as compensation for Jeff Green missing the entire 2011-12 season with a heart condition.

Martin, a 6-foot-7 shooting guard, is a career 18.4-point scorer who is known for his perimeter shooting and efficiency. The 29-year-old Martin is entering his ninth season and will make $12.9 million in the final year of his contract.

Lamb, this year’s 13th overall pick, averaged 17.7 points, 4.9 rebounds, 1.7 assists and 1.2 steals last season as a sophomore at Connecticut. Lamb, 20, is among the most athletic rookies in this year’s class.
Harden will make his lone appearance inside Chesapeake Energy Arena as a member of the Rockets on Nov. 28.

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Sam Presti is one hell of a

Sam Presti is one hell of a GM. The second Harden didnt resign, he was looking to move him and did. The Thunder got Martin, who isnt on par with Harden but can shoot the ball and make teams pay for focusing on Durant and Westbrook. Lamb a lottery pick, who could develop into a good player or trade bait, but they also got 2 first rounders and a 2nd. Oh Presti also drafted PJ3, who is going to be a steal.

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Srs?

Honestly, I think GM Sam Presti has earned my respect now. I have to give him points on the sheer amount of GALL it took to trade a member of your big 3. And for 29 y/o Kevin Martin? Wow. They must really be banking on Jeremy Lamb to become their next James Harden.

As for why he was traded, I doubt this is about the fact that James Harden wanted a max deal, it was more about PRECEDENT. If you don't know what that is, go look it up, but it basically means that everyone else is going to want a max contract if the Thunder bowed and gave Harden his. Any above average starter on a winning team will want a max contract. Brook Lopez and Joe Johnson already have max deals. JRUE HOLIDAY wants to be maxed for crying out loud. I hope this sets a precedent for solid starters always wanting max deals. Max deals should be saved for the true elite. Max Kevin Durant? Of course. Russell Westbrook? Most people are leaning yes on that one. But James Harden? He's close, but not quite.

Best of luck to Jeremy Lamb in OKC.

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hate hate

I hate this move...they should of waited to try and find a better deal for Harden...i feel like they could of gotten a whole lot more for him...plus since they decided to trade them to Houston, why not try and get one of their forwards that they have so many of that OKC needs (Motie, Royce White, Terrance Jones)-telling me OKC couldn't use one of them instead of taking 2 shooting guards

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well wow what a shocker they

well wow what a shocker they just threw away their chance to contend lol... wasn't even sure if the thunder couldve beat the lakers with harden but now with kevin martin and jeremy lamb they can't beat lakers for sure

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omg im so exited. for both

omg im so exited.

for both teams.

martin will light up the three line and should be able to start with ironman and KD.

harden will have a chance to showcase his talents all the way. o/c will make lamb everything i hope he became

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Martin and Lamb for Harden.

Martin and Lamb for Harden. Seems like OKC really rushed this trade, probally couldve gotten more value but still a good trade by both sides in my opinion. James Harden is not worth a max-contract and I think he will learn that. I dont think he is as good as Brandon Roy was with Portland or as good as Dwayne Wade. He will probally go for 20 points, 4rebounds and 4 assists per game on a Rockets team that willfinish 9th or 10th in the West. When the Thunder offered him 13 million per year I thought they were right on the money if not overpaying one or two mil.

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Rockets moves finally pay off

Good move for Houston and all of their offseason and draft moves just paid off.

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There is absolutely no

There is absolutely no loyalty in sports.

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Churchboy

C'mon, Churchboy. These are adults making a living. The GMs do what they need to do for their teams and the players do what they need to do for their own careers.

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Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb

Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb must feel like the luckiest people in the world. Martin will light it up in OKC but I think they bring along Lamb slowly.

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Wowwww this is crazy!! The

Wowwww this is crazy!! The Rockets got BETTER. OKC still will have that scoring off the bench wit K Mart and Lamb (who is going to be really good), but not the playmaking unless Maynor is back and better. James might resign with Houston. Great trade for Mchale

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I think it's a good trade for

I think it's a good trade for OKC. They are built to win NOW and they need pieces that fit together. Kevin Martin is a perennial 20PPG scorer who knows how to score without the ball and can score without needing to run plays for him, which fits in with Durant and Westbrook. Plus they add a young SG prospect at Jeremy Lamb. Thunders probably could have gotten an all-star player in return but they got a big piece in return that actually fits.

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agreed

agreed

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You guys think K Mart will be

You guys think K Mart will be there all year? He doesn't seem like an OKC player. I called this trade around draft time. It made so much sense for both teams. I think Jetemy Lamb is an amazing pick up for OKC. Plus 2 first rounders for a team that drafts well. James Harden is good but this locks up the core of Ibaka, Durant, and Westbrook for years!! I think it is a great trade for both teams. OKC was handcuffed with Harden. This move had to be done and now it's not a distraction all year.

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Harden fantasy value

Harden fantasy value skyrocket. Ha see what I did there?

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Good move for OKC. He

Good move for OKC. He rejected their offer so they rejected to let him stay around. Kevin Martin is no Harden but he can score just as many points if not more from all the wide open 3's he's going to get feeding off of Durant & Westbrook. Jeremy Lamb is better than all 3 of the other players the Thunder sent. Then when you throw in 2 first rounders, and a second rounder(held by Charlotte, so will probably be 30-35 range) that's 5 players for Harden & a bag of chips.

It's also good for Rockets, since they're so desperate to get a "star" player, we will finally get to see what Harden can do when he's the man, and not feeding off of two better players. He could either shine, or prove that he's nothing better than a 6th man.

4/5 Stars

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OKC just got slightly

OKC just got slightly worse... harden fit that team so well... not saying martin wont... because he seems to fit well to... but harden does things that martin doesn't do as well... great pick-up for HOU tho

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Wow, this is crazy, did not

Wow, this is crazy, did not see this coming at all.

Have to give credit to both Presti and Morey, both of them played this beautifully. Presti keeps his teams championship hopes alive by aquiring a very good scroer and a potential starter in Jeremy Lamb as well, unfortunatly they had to give up Cole Aldrich in the process who was coming along very nicely.

I really didn't think OKC would do this, but I guess it really is difficult for a small market team to pay the luxary tax. Either way, I really love what Houston is doing, they now add a promising young piece to their team, and look poised to be a solid playoff team for years to come.

I like this trade for OKC, but the only problem I have is that Martin isn't the driver or attacker that Harden is, but he is still more than able to replace Harden. OKC also gets some semi-valuable draft picks as well. Once again Sam Presti magnaged the situation perfectly. I personally would've paid Harden, but if I couldn't, I don't think I could've done it better myself.

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" I personally would've paid

" I personally would've paid Harden, but if I couldn't, I don't think I could've done it better myself."

They tried, he rejected their 52 million offer, because he wanted 60 million. Money > Winning? Kind of surprised, thought Harden had a bit more class. Durant & Westbrook took less pay when they were resigned so they could stay together.

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Yeah, just saw Broussard's

Yeah, just saw Broussard's tweet that the Thunder had actually offerd Harden 4 years 55 million, but Harden wanted the max.

I'm not going to question Harden's intentions, but I do with that the two sides could've come to terms.

And remember, in reality, we're not really talking about 4.5 million total for 4 years. That might be teh case on Harden's side, but for OKC the reason they didn't want to make up the 4.5 million is because in reality that 4.5 million is really 14 million when you factor in the luxary tax.

People are saying the Thunder got worse. I think they stayed about the same. Kevin Martin is an All-Star scorer and although he might not be the top 15 player that Harden will become, he's going to be on par with Harden for at least this season.

And remember, the Thunder also got Jeremy Lamb in the deal, I'm assuming that they aspire to develop sor tof the way they developed Harden. Remeber, Harden's game has grown leaps and bounds since he came into the league, he averaged 9 points per game on barely 40% shooting from the field. And they're getting the Rockets and Raptors' first round picks, both figure to be top 20 picks.

Both teams are winners, and they both made good decisions.

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i'm not so sure if the

i'm not so sure if the thunder stayed the same. james harden and kevin martin are definitely in a similar level of talent right now but james harden's skill set is much better fit to the thunder than kevin martin's. james harden acts as the psuedo point guard that westbrook couldn't be and now that the thunder get another scorer in Kevin martin instead of the playmaking of james harden, i'm not so sure if this team will have enough quality passers. this team now has 3 scorers and i always thought that james harden's playmaking was the balance that held Westbrook and Durant's scoring together. of course they will still be one of the elite teams in the NBA just because of Durant and Westbrook but i dont see them beating the Lakers whereas i thought of the two teams at 50-50 with Harden

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Thats what I was thinking. if

Thats what I was thinking.

if okc really offered 55 and 4 years I trouly can't believe Harden turnt this down. This is 5 mil on 4 years less than the max.

I'm really upset as a thunder fan now and need a night of sleep to swallow this, okc without the beard don't seems to be the same again even if I agree this is win now decision.

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Thats what I was thinking. if

Thats what I was thinking.

if okc really offered 55 and 4 years I trouly can't believe Harden turnt this down. This is 5 mil on 4 years less than the max.

I'm really upset as a thunder fan now and need a night of sleep to swallow this, okc without the beard don't seems to be the same again even if I agree this is win now decision.

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Yeah, just saw Broussard's

Yeah, just saw Broussard's tweet that the Thunder had actually offerd Harden 4 years 55 million, but Harden wanted the max.

I'm not going to question Harden's intentions, but I do with that the two sides could've come to terms.

And remember, in reality, we're not really talking about 4.5 million total for 4 years. That might be teh case on Harden's side, but for OKC the reason they didn't want to make up the 4.5 million is because in reality that 4.5 million is really 14 million when you factor in the luxary tax.

People are saying the Thunder got worse. I think they stayed about the same. Kevin Martin is an All-Star scorer and although he might not be the top 15 playr that Harden will become, he's going to be on par with Harden for at least this season.

And remember, the Thunder also got Jeremy Lamb in the deal, I'm assuming that they aspire to develop sor tof the way they developed Harden. Remeber, Harden's game has grown leaps and bounds since he came into the league, he averaged 9 points per game on barely 40% shooting from the field. And they're getting the Rockets and Raptors' first round picks, both figure to be top 20 picks.

Both teams are winners, and they both made good decisions.

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both durant and westrbook

both durant and westrbook signed max deals, they didnt accept a penny less. I have to be honest, i hate comments like yours talking about westbrook has no class. Teams will trade a dude on the spot the second they think it makes the team better. You think if harden struggled or went through injury issues they wouldnt trade him to stay "classy" as you put it? All NBA players should get their money. If he was willing to accept less to stay in okc, then more power to him. but he obviously wasnt and not one person on here who isnt taking millions less to stay loyal should be taking shots at his character over it.

edit* just to clarify im responding to cynthias comment

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When did I say anything about

When did I say anything about Westbrook had no class? Harden has no class because he opted to make 1 mil more per year than grow and contend with the Thunder for the next decade. Yes NBA players should be paid, but in basketball the difference of 55/60 million isn't that huge. I say he has no class because I took him as someone who would take less to stay, and when I found out it was only a 5 mil difference that just shocked me. Either way I'm glad OKC pulled the trigger before this turned into a season long Dwightmare(who also has no class).

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I think that's unfair to say

I think that's unfair to say Harden has no class. He's been sacrificing since he was drafted to OKC. He's been a team player. He's arguably a top five shooting guard in the NBA, but has been accepting a 6th man role for the "good" of the team.

It would've been nice for him to accept less and stay, but there's nothing wrong with him wanting the max when that was his market value. Plus, now he has the opportunity to be the guy on his own team. You can't knock him and declare him as not having any class because of that.

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How much class did the

How much class did the thunder show Aldrich? Cook? Hell the whole city of Seattle for that matter. Oh that's right, they did what was in their best interest as a team regardless of how the players felt. But yeah harden is the one with no class.

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llperez - You're a Lakers

llperez - You're a Lakers fan, your words bleed hypocrisy.

Indiana - What did he sacrifice? His name being called at the beginning of the game? Because that's about it. He played starter minutes, 31.4 MPG to Sefolosha's 21.8 MPG, this is why he was so clearly the 6th man because he was a "bench player" who played as much as a lot of starters in the league. I know you're smarter than that.

When it comes down to it he was asked to resign with a reasonable offer and he declined, because he wanted the max. An extra 1.25M per year. Who cares about growing with a young team and continuing to dominate the league? Who cares about being an OKC fan favorite? Who cares about winning championships? Obviously he didn't care. He knew OKC could not afford the max, he knew he'd be gone. He got his wish to get paid more, and to get his name called at the beginning of games. Perhaps saying no class is a bit harsh, but that's mighty selfish.

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so your only comebcak is that

so your only comebcak is that im a laker fan. Please explain how im being a hypocrite? I have no problems with the thunder and every team doing what is in their best interest. But i also think that inclcudes the individual players. I dont see anyone doing anything wrong here. But you seem to think the thunder can traade and give up any player they want and thats fine but the second a player looks out for himself he has no class.

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By sacrificing, I wasn't just

By sacrificing, I wasn't just talking about minutes. James Harden is a legit starting shooting guard and arguably a top five player at his position. He was sacrificing shots (he shot 10 times per game), the amount of time he had the ball and the way he played his overall game. Did you listen to his press conference today? He said he had to "adapt to his role with the Thunder" but that he'd always been a go-to player during his playing career (high school, but more importantly collegiate) and he's looking forward to getting back to being a top option. He was a role player with the Thunder. How's that not sacrificing?

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and to add most people assume

and to add most people assume that he is sacrificing wins for money which might be true at first, but he is still young. He is a competitior and i doubt most athletes feel like they cant win eventually with most any team. Hes not giving up on success and a title, hes jsut going to try and get it elsewhere.

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cynthia. u say sum dum stuff.den retrack & say u didnt say it

I agree wit indy &p; perez. H

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Harden chose a couple mil

Harden chose a couple mil over a great chance at a championship for years to come.

Interestinng.

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OKC now has two of the most

OKC now has two of the most talented enigmas of the 2012 draft. Lamb and martin will be studs coming off the bench for the thunder. Can't believe James harden let 8 million dollars sell him out of a potential championship.

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something had to happen

I like the additions for okc, Lamp as a future prospect at the 2, he can develop with R?Jackson and PJ3. That could be a heck of a se ond unit in a year or two. Plus the go the 2 first rounders. Then you throw in K.Martin who could easily start or come of the bench and blend nicely. I think they might miss SlowCole at some point down the line however. For thr Rockets the made a shrewd move. You can only collect draft picksvand rookies for soo long, they had to mske a move but I wonder if those 'poison pill' contracts might now be theyre downfall. Assuming they max out Harden then you got the big 3rd yr contracts for Asik and Lin might make it hard to keep buildibg towatds a champion calibre roster. A L in Harden back court doesnt nessecarily scare me but since theyre both capable scorers and distributers theres hope for the Rockets future. Shouldve tried to keep Lamb abd csent obe of their fowards tho maybe.

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Im so happy the season is about to start

It had to happen, despite the ridiculous free agent signings this year the new CBA may actually lead to some competitive balance. I was rooting for OKC this year and this does make them weaker in the short run.

It also seems that they could have got a better deal though. They could have got Iggy and a pick from Philly a few months ago, even Eric Gordon or even went to Denver before trade and got Affalo and Wilson Chandler. I would have demanded Parsons(good and cheap) or reluctantly Marcus Morris also. The issue is that they have to get somebody in the deal that will play above their contract and Lamb will certainly do that. Their is only a few players that make less than 6 million but can consistantly get u 17 or 18 points a night on a good team.I cant think of one, outside of maybe Greg Monroe or Kyrie Irving. Thats why I believe Parsons or a guy like Wilson Chandler represent some value to a team like the Thunder. Maybe a amnestied Boozer or a situation like that occurs but if u are over the cap u cant bid on amnestied guys. The biggest problem is that they lost a guy who spents 16 mins a game as a pure point guard and I doubt Eric Maynor and Jackson can make up for that.

Houston has a crazy big three in Lin, Harden and Asik.WWhy not try for H Barnes and Ezeli plus maybe Jeffersonand if you didnt want Jeff get B Rush or Green.

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Harden was their best play

Harden was their best play maker, this really hurts the Thunder. Martin nor Lamb can set up teammates like Harden did nor are going to be as clutch.

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martin in the lineup should

martin in the lineup should help ironman's assists.

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the thing is... lamb will be

the thing is... lamb will be one of the best SG in the L in a couple years.

his passing has been excellent in the pre seas. he likes that midrange pull up and should learn a TON from ironman, KD and kmart.

they are insanely lanky... KD, lamb, pj3...

harden was very ball dependent, and that added MORE hero ball to OKC. they seemed to isolate ironman, KD, and harden all the time. running the P&R all the time... the heat are the best team D'ing up on the P&R with their insane versatile players...

i think this trade is a gamble, sorta.... if kmart can play good and lamb becomes what i think he can become this a good trade for both teams

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I'm shocked. Straight from

I'm shocked. Straight from the OKC facebook page:

The Oklahoma City acquires Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb, two first round picks and a second round pick from the Houston Rockets in exchange for James Harden, Cole Aldrich Daequan Cook and Lazar Hayward.

From GM Sam Presti: "We wanted to sign James to an extension, but at the end of the day, these situations have to work for all those involved. Our ownership group again showed their commitment to the organization with several significant offers," Presti said. "We were unable to reach a mutual agreement, and therefore executed a trade that capitalized on the opportunity to bring in a player of Kevin's caliber, a young talent like Jeremy and draft picks, which will be important to our organizational goal of a sustainable team. We appreciate James, Cole, Daequan and Lazar’s contributions to the Thunder organization and this community and wish them the best in the future.”

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I am back on Rockets

I am back on Rockets bandwagon!! Haven't been a fan of theirs since early years of McGrady, I hope Harden can prove he is a star and future of NBA at SG position.

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This might work out for more than eight million difference for

Harden, he could get the fifth year for a team like the Rockets. They had to basically want flexibility because if they waited a couple months they coulda got Batum and Leonard.

All and all I like it, Presti and that guy from Denver are a new breed. Plus I knew Houston had to make a move because they had 17 guys on their roster that can play in the League andhad to make some tough cuts. Come to think about it they coulda got G Wallace, Marshon Brooks and some picks. I think K Martin being a free agent next year was the key, it just opens up so many possibilities and if Lamb is ready they may swing him for another 1rst round pick by Febuary. This might make Durant drive more, his triple threat is only less dangerous than Melo's in the whole League. Personally I think Ibaka is a more important talent on a team with Durant than Harden is anyway. Once they move on from Perk and Ibaka plays some five they might get even better. Ibaka could be so valuable if they made him slow down on the 18 footers, hopefully now that he is paid he stops trying to show off his offensivetalents and just plays ball. Houston still has a ton of young wings and could pull off another deal soon.

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At least Harden won't choke

At least Harden won't choke in the Finals anymore.

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Fair deal

It's a pretty fair deal. Ideally OKC would have liked to kept Harden, but they received Kevin Martin who has scored over 19 PPG seven times in his career and also got Jeremy Lamb who averaged 17-4-1 in college and has potential to be a threat on either side of the ball. But the thing that really sweetens this deal for OKC are the draft picks. I don't know what kind of draft picks they will be, they'll likely be lotto protected fot awhile, but there is always a lot of talent coming in the first round, and I'm sure OKC will be able to find some with addition first round picks.

Houston on the other hand, has a go to scorer, with superstar potential. I've been a fan of Harden ever since the Arizona State days. He averaged 16.8 PPG, 3.7 APG, and 4.1 RPG in 31 MPG last season, so he could be a 20-5-5 player with more minutes. I do feel that Houston gave up more than they needed. They gave up Martin who basically gives the same offensive input as Harden, but is slightly older, as well as Lamb, and two first rounders. Their lineup is more young now, so as long as Harden remains a better player than Lamb, and the 2 draft picks, I think Houston will be happy.

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I just saw this on ESPN,

I just saw this on ESPN, crazy! I actually kinda like this deal for both sides. Houston gets a young guy who many believe could be the man on his own team, and OKC gets a very good scoring guard now, as well as a guy they can groom to be the next Harden.

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Kevin Martin has never been

Kevin Martin has never been in a winning situation and I've always stayed away from him in fantasy due to the fact that he can never stay healthy. If I was an OKC fan I'd be more excited about Lamb. Also I've been a big Harden fan since his ASU days since I'm from that area, but I still don't think he's a franchise player that can carry a team on his back, I don't think this puts Houston in playoff contention this year.

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Rockets still are in need of

Rockets still are in need of a legit scoring big man...but i Harden is a good start to a good team..OKC does have good prospects now with Perry Jones..and Jeremy Lamb. It'll be interesting to see if James Harden will resign with HOUSTON after the season is over.

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