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  • #65610
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    publius2481
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     I think it is clear the Sixers need to trade Okafor. Embiid looks like the player they should build their team around and Okafor has not shown himself to be a good complement to Embiid. He also is not a good backup for Embiid (Noel is a much better backup, which is why the Sixers should keep him). With that said, I have been thinking about realistic trade destinations and what the Sixers could realistically get for him.

    I want to start by saying while I think they should trade him, there is no rush to trade him by the trade deadline. Barring an injury, I do not think his trade value will change between now and the offseason. Some of these will only make sense in the offseason. In no particular order (actually it was the order I saw the standings on ESPN):

    1. Boston: In the past Ainge has shown some interest in Okafor, so this my be a match. Now sorry Sixer fans, but the Brooklyn picks are not on the table. What makes this an good match is the Celtics have good, young guards and the Sixers need guards. My thought is Smart and a heavily protected (top 14 protected) 2018 first rounder for Okafor. Smart gives the Sixers a strong defensive guard and Embiid and Ilyosova’s (who I think the Sixers will retain) ability to stretch the floor helps hide his poor shooting.

    2. Chicago: This assumes Chicago decides to rebuild, so this probably makes more sense in the offseason. If they are going to rebuild, a young player like Okafor is a good building block, especially since he is experienced and ownership does not seem interested in a long rebuild. McDermott and the Bulls 2017 first round pick seems like a fair deal (I am assuming it is in the 15-18 range). McDermott gives Philly shooting and they get another youmg player I think this waits until the offseason because this makes more sense if a.) the Lakers pick does not convey to the Sixers and b.) the Kings pick does convey to the Bulls.

    3. Knicks: Okafor seems like a Phil Jackson type player and I think Zinger has the skills you want in a frontcourt mate for Okafor. The problem is the only asset I think the Knicks that should interest Philly is their 2017 pick. If it is in the 9-11 range it makes sense for both teams. Higher and the Knicks should hesitate, lower and the Sixers should pass.

    4. LA Lakers- This is dependent on them keeping their 2017 pick. If they do it will be a top three pick and they are likely taking a PG. That makes Russell expandable and I think Russell fits better with Philly, while Okafor would better fir in LA. A swap of the two would then make sense for both teams.

    5. Dallas- This is another offseason deal. Dallas has been playing better lately, so their pick could easily slide out of the top 7. If it does, I think they should consider dealing it for Okafor. They need a long term solution at C and they are a team that has a tedency to trade draft picks, so I could see a deal here.

    So, what do others think? Are there any other deals you could see as realistic?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1091504
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    Magic Jordan
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     Okafor for Russell?? Yeah right lol.

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  • #1091505
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    machu46
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    I think trading him for Smart makes a lot of sense for Philly. However, in Boston’s case, they’re trying to solve their defensive and rebounding issues. Okafor would only exacerbate those issues, so I can’t see that one happening.

    I think the McDermott one makes sense if Chicago wants to rebuild. Okafor doesn’t make sense with Chicago’s current personnel at all though.

    I think Okafor makes a lot of sense next to Porzingis, but I can’t imagine New York would give up a top 10 pick for him (and in all likelihood, if Melo is traded, they may end up in the top 5). This draft class is too strong to trade the pick for Okafor IMO.

    If Okafor goes to the Lakers, I think Jordan Clarkson is a more realistic target than DeAngelo. In fact, I believe the Okafor for Clarkson talks may already be happening based on some whispers going around.

    In terms of potential landing spots, it seems to me that the ideal place for him is a team with a PF that can both stretch the floor and defend, so a team like the Pelicans could make sense. However, they’re pretty scarce on assets and may be in more of a win-now type of mode with Davis. But, if they were to decide to try to rebuild a bit, they could consider sending Jrue Holiday back to Philly for Okafor + another piece or something? I know Philly has been rumored to be very interested in signing Holiday as well.

     

     

     

     

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  • #1091506
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    Chewy
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     Not a bad deal. Doug and a mid 1st sounds about what he is worth right now. If the Bulls get rid of Doug they will go from really bad shooting team to "Oh my god! What is this?" shooting team.

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  • #1091508
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    I think you’re wildly overestimating Okafor’s market value.  One team that specializes in buying low on players and could seamlessly integrate a score first/limited defense center into their rotation is Houston.  If they want to challenge the SA & GSW of the world, I think they need an answer for when Capela’s limited offensive game/weak FT %s are exposed. 

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  • #1091509
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     No way he goes to the Lakers… they already have a low-post center in Zubac who is almost 2 years younger, better work ethic, longer, better defender, with a superior outside touch, better rebounder and just all-around much more versatile than Okafor. Okafor just seems like Greg Monroe 2.0., pure low-post scorer and not much more than that. 

    Zubac is already the best screen-setter and pick and roll option on the Lakers. I may be biased but I think he’s the future of the C position in the NBA along with primarily Embiid and then Towns, Jokic, Porzingis and Turner who might not neccessarily fit the description of a ‘true center’, especially in the era of positionless basketball.

    I like Okafor on the Bulls, Mavs or Knicks though, just wonder what assets do these teams have. I think Okafor will eventually stay on the 76ers in a backup role if Embiid gets hurt, as Noel’s trade value as a defensive anchor is a tad higher.

     

     

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    • #1091537
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      Ahkasi Clay
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       Do you even know how delusional you sound?  

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  • #1091514
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    SmooveKRYPT
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    For Lamb & their first 

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    • #1091518
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      binet
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       That seems like a fair deal. Charlotte could very well take a bet on Okafor, especially given their success with Al Jefferson previously. Their first is not too high which should be where Okafor has fallen right now.

      The issue is more timing: are Charlotte interested to do this right now in the middle of a playoff year? do Philly want a potential 3rd first round pick (to go with 2 secound rounders) this summer, and possibly have 4 rookies 4/5 sophomores in their 15 men roster (2 new CBA spots probably for secound rounders, Embiid, Simmons, Saric, Luwawu, Randle all rookies this year, Furkan possibly joining the 3 first rounders as a rookie)?

      If possible, I think Philly would prefer a first rounder that conveys after Henderson and Bayless end their contracts or another kind of asset.

       

       

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    • #1091561
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       You know I thought about Charlotte, mostly because they do not have an easy time attracting free agents. They are a team that often needs to use the trade market to get talent.

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  • #1091519
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    FaceOfTheFranchise
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     As a Bulls fan I have been interested with Okafor since rumors began. With a potential second 1st round pick coming from the Kings, giving up a 1st rounder wouldn’t be too big of a blow. 

    However, I would not give up McDermott for Okafor. He’s been the most consistent bench scorer for us this year, and can be a spot starter if Wade or Butler take a game off. That said I would be more accepting of giving up Valentine and/or Mirotic with a 1st round pick for Okafor. 

    Valentine has been riding the pine as much as Okafor this year, and Mirotic is losing his minutes (albeit well deserved) to Zipser as of late. Zipser has more potential IMO than Mirotic at this point and isn’t going to jack up 30 foot 3 pointers. 

    Whether a trade like this happens at the deadline or in the offseason, I feel it would be beneficial to both teams. Although with our FO, they may still be confused as to rebuild or try to contend. 

     

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  • #1091530
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    Oak for Avery Bradley in Boston.  Boston is likley going to draft another guard that will only eat Bradley’s minuts and you get a versatile scoring option on Boston that way.  Boston will figure out a way to use him.

    Oak for McDermott or or Valentine is decent but nothing exciting.  I don’t think we need a Marcus smart type on this roster.

    The draft will be very interesting.  I am thinking we should take our pick and Lakers pick and either Noel or Oak for the #1 pick in the draft and grab Fultz.  

     

      

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    • #1091550
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      Magic Jordan
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       Avery Bradley is worth 3 Okafors.

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  • #1091536
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    Ahkasi Clay
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     Okafor to L.A. for Russell makes sense. But the Lakers would need to add something.

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    • #1091549
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      Magic Jordan
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      Do you even know how delusional you sound?? 

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      • #1091560
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        guards dominate the league.

        But Okafor is a nice scoring option to come off your bench. 

        Guards aren’t exactly a rare commodity.  Russell gives you nothing but a decent shot…a quality big man is more rare than that.  You can eliminate Russell from your squad and the Lakers woudln’t miss anything, cuz they can slot in Lou and Young and Clarkson and Ingram and the rest.  I don’t see how Okafor helps LA much, but you act like Russell is like striking oil.

        Same for Boston and their logjam of guards.  Philly has a logjam of bigs, Boston and LA have a logjam of good but not great guards.  

        He barely gets any playtime in the 4th quarter as Isiah Thomas takes over.  Avery Bradley has a nice shot and plays decent defense but he is undersized.  

        Neither of these guys are Kobe.  What do you think is a respectable price for Bradley or Russell?

         

         

         

         

         

         

          

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        • #1091563
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          I am not acting like Russell is striking oil, but there is a reason that Philly fans keep bringing up Russell for Okafor (hint it’s not because Okafor is the better prospect and they are doing the Lakers a favor).  There is also a reason why you don’t see Russell for Okafor from Lakers fans perspective.  That needs to be accounted for in these "Okafor" trades.

          If you think Russell only gives you a decent shot that does nothing but cement my opinion that you hardly watch him play.  In fact… his shot has been incredibly inconsistant thus far.  BUT, he quarterbacks the offense in a way that Clarkson and Lou will would never be able to.  He is already more important to the Lakers offense than either of those players.  

          You say that you can slot in Lou, Ingran, Clarkson and the rest and not miss anything Russell does.  Again, you clearly haven’t watched the Lakers (no blame, you are a Philly fan.) but you shouldn’t throw out blanket statements like that when you aren’t that informed on the subject.  Check the Lakers record when Russell plays vs without.  Check their offensive rating when Russell plays vs without.  Check the best lineups the Lakers can throw out on the floor and see who is in them.  Check the other Lakers players shooting % while Russell is on the floor vs without.  I’ll give you a hint, all of those things are better with Russell vs without.

          Russell is only 20 years old.  He is putting up per 36 stats that no other 20 year old besides Lebron James has done.  I am typically not a fan of per min stats, but that counts for something.  

          He gets a bad rep because people don’t like him personally.  Or people don’t like that he isn’t going to dunk all over people.  But it does nothing to change the fact that he is only in his 2nd year, his first with a real coach.  He is already ahead of every other PG not named Kyrie when they were 20 years old.

          He is not a finished product.  Not even close.  He’s just scratching the surface.  There are things that he will never do well, or at an elite level… like defend.  But he will absolutely be able to quarterback a top 10 offense.  He will do offensive things at an elite level.  It’s clear now, though it wasn’t at the time of the draft that Okafor is not even close to the same class as Russell.

          Okafor is a horrible rebounder for someone his size.  He can’t defend.  He doesn’t pass.  All he can do is score in isolation.  This is 2017, that is not good for anything else than 15 – 20 minutes a game off of the bench.  And even then, you only go to that strategy if you have a player like Okafor… but it’s not a strategy that teams are actively seeking out if you hadn’t noticed.  

          On top of how non impactful Okafor is on the actual basketball court, factor in Phillys terrible handling of the situation.  Meaning his trade value has all but diminished when you look at Phillys need to move one of their two centers.  The rest of the league… no… the rest of the world knows this as well.  Philly is not going to get equal on court value for him because of this… AND equal on court value isn’t a whole lot with Okafor.

          And Zubac already had a more positive impact on the court than Okafor and he’s almost 2 years younger.  Further range, better rim protector, just as poor of a defender in space but he actually gives effort.  Better rebounder.  The only thing he doesn’t do as well is score in isolation.  And, whatever.. I’ll let Okafor have that one check mark because it’s the least important one to me from a big man.

          I don’t even really need to get into Avery Bradley.  But he’s an elite perimeter defender and can shoot the 3.  He can guard 1 and 2.  That is borderline invaluable these days.  Especially when you are speaking about swapping that kind of player with a player like Okafor.

          What would it take to get either of those guys?  I dunno.  Not really big into hypothetical trades.  But I wouldn’t trade either of them for anybody on Philly’s roster not named Simmons or Embiid.  And those guys couldn’t be had for either of Bradley or Russell so there is no point.  It is quite obvious that Russell is the best lead guard under 25 years old not named Kyrie.  So it would take a player currently in his prime or a very high lottery pick for the Lakers to consider moving Russell for a non superstar.

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

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          • #1091575
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            binet
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             Russell is not putting unprecedented numbers for a 20 y.o. though. Just look at rookie Tyreke or rookie Jennings.

            There is only so many players given the chance at this age. D’Angelo’s performance is promising but clearly not in the ballpark you are implying.

            Not arguing Okafor does not have his value on the market now though…

             

             

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            • #1091579
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              Magic Jordan
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               And what ballpark is it that I am implying?

              Jennings did not put up 20 5 and 5 per 36 as a 20 year old.

              Evans did, but in 37 minutes per game.  I did space on him though.

               

               

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              • #1091603
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                You are implying he is a generationnal talent by saying "best since LeBron" everywhere.

                Even looking per minute numbers he is closer to Tyreke/Jennings/Eric Gordon/Bradley Beal, all decent to very good players though (plus all got injured early, which could mean D’Angelo has arguably higher ceiling) but not quite superstars or generationnal talents. More the kind of player that is good enough to command a max contract but not quite a franchise player.

                That’s far from the value of Okafor though you are correct. I would not argue on that.

                 

                 

                 

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                • #1091626
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                   No, I am not implying he is a generational talent.  I simply stated a fact.  If you read "generational talent" from a post where I say "he will never be a good defender" then that’s on you.  Furthermore, because I said he has more value than Okafor also doesn’t imply a generational talent.  Saying he has more value than Okafor is not setting the bar very high for a player.

                  You should read a post no matter how long it is, if you intend to comment on it.  Please point me to where I said "Best since Lebron".  You even put it in quotes lol.

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  • #1091570
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     Charlotte would be a nice fit for him, their bigs are more mid range scorers so his post game would give them a player similar to what Al Jefferson gave them a few years back. Plus Okafor would have Patrick Ewing to work with and Pat is regarded as a good coach of big men.

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  • #1091589
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     any part of D’Angelo Russell. What fans want is usually based in part at least on emotion. Most Phila fans have not seen D’Lo on a nightly basis b/c if they did they would not be interested b/c they already have guards who can’t defend anyone who they are looking to replace.

    2017’s NBA Draft is very deep at PG & Wing. If we are able to keep our pick for one more year b4 handing it over to Phila we will almost certainly draft one of these exciting PG’s & Phila will do the exact same thing w/ their pick. If they also get our pick they will most likely draft a Jonathan Isaac or Malik Monk.

    If we get that top 3 pick I’d Draft Markelle Fultz, Lonzo Ball, Frank Ntilikina or Dennis Smith Jr & never look back. D’Lo would be put on the trading block & hopefully we could get something good for him b/c he’d still have 2 years on a Rookie deal.

    Noel looks great as Phila’s 2nd team Center & I would LUV to have Noel on the Lakers. I think Phila has to trade him b/c a team like Brooklyn or us wouyld offer Noel $80 Mill over 4 years & even though Phila could easily match that offer do they really want to pay Noel to play 10 min per game behind Joel Embiid???

    Okafor could be an exciting offensive player on a non-playoff team w/ strong guard play who could protect him on the P&R and a stretch 4 who can protect the Rim & help out rebounding. However, Okafor’s defensive liabilities are so great I can’t see him ever starting 30 mpg for a contender.

    B/c just like D’Lo, Okafor is limited by a lack of raw explosiveness & quickness. Simply put he is a Below the Rim player & that limits his upside. Russell has terrible feet. Slow, uncoordinated, his bad footwork effects his balance & speed. As a result Russell can not penetrate, break anyone down off the dribble or defend at a high level. Russell, like Okafor is often a bit overweight & immature. I just don’t think much of either player.

    If 2015 could be re-drafted KAT would be #1 but Porzingus & Booker would be #2 & #3. Russell & Okafor would both still go top 10 – closer to 10 obviously but both guys can score in this league & even start for non playoff teams but neither could Ever start on a contending Top 4 conference seed. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1091591
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     I could see okc having interest immediately with Kanter hurt.

    Roberson and both of OKC 2nd rounders 2017 for Okafor.

    I don’t think Philly should expect to get much else.

     

     

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  • #1091602
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     With all the issues about Okafor’s defence, it makes me wonder how he would have got on if any of the other teams had drafted him in 2015. The T-Wolves now under Thibs would have been a real mismatch given Thibs love of defence, the Lakers fans could have really got on his back given their expectations. Also how would Kobe and MVP have reacted to a guy who cannot play defence.

    The Knicks fans are always hoping for success and whilst Oak may have worked well in the triangle, they could have also really got at him if the team was losing and his defence wasn’t up to scratch.

    With Okafor, I still struggle to see how a team can accomodate him on defence, it doesn’t work with him playing PF and you having a big defensive anchor in Embeast and he gets abused in the paint when he plays C or cannot get out to mark mid range shooting C’s.

     

     

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