[caray12Participant]

I get tired of the comparisons to Derrick Williams and Anthony Bennett. I say that because they don’t even play alike at all and the only reason people make those comparisons because the perception that he plays like a power forward in small forwards body. That’s what most believe the definition of " treener " mean. And Derrick Williams and Anthony Bennett didn’t have small forward skills unlike Jabari Parker who can post up, shoot the mid-range jump shot, shoot the three point jump shot, create his own shot, handle the basketball, take it coast to coast, finish through contact, among many more. Derrick Williams and Anthony Bennett do not have the skills of Jabari Parker or they don’t have the physical measurements as Jabari Parker. Anthony Bennett is 6’7", Derrick Williams is 6’8", and Jabari Parker is 6’9" with a 7′ wingspan and a 9′ standing reach which is the same as Julius Randle and Aaron Gordan and is greater than Joakim Noah’s and Blake Griffins wingspan and standing reach.

 

So if you expect his physical measurements to hold him back against NBA 4’s than you can expect the same with Julius Randle and Aaron Gordan. Of coarse I don’t expect him to be able to guard Blake Griffin, LaMarcus Aldrich, and the Tim Duncan’s of the world but when you have Larry Sanders he can guard them. But I expect Jabari Parker going to be there small forward if Jason Kidd coach.

 

Let’s me tell you about his conditioning yeah he’s a little bit out of shape. But people think 12% of body fat is overweight than most of America is overweight than. But people act like he’s not going to a NBA training facilities and his job is to play basketball. I can expect him to trim down to about 240 pounds when the NBA season arrives. So by losing that weight will only make him quicker of his feet and more athletic as he lose his baby fat and have his body fat to 5-7%.

 

I won’t be suprised if Jabari Parker average 20-23 points per game 8 rebounds per game 2 assist per game 1 steal per game and 1 block per game. I won’t be because Milwaukee have no other scoring options so I can expect him to have big time numbers in Milwaukee and his only competition is Andrew Wiggins ( i’ve grown to be a big fan ), Noah Vonleh, and Dante Exum. I got Jabari Parker winning because the voters love scoring and the last couple of rookie of the years award came down to who scored the most points even though he’s not winning or having a better all around season.

Again being versatile doesn’t make you a " tweener " it makes a a very versatile player and the ability to play multiple positions makes you a better player. LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony can be labled " tweeners " because they can play both positions and do multiple things on the court. My comparison to Jabari Parker is Grant Hill with a shot and less play making abilities mix with a little Carmelo Anthony.

 

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Grant Hill with a shot and less playmaking skills is a completely different player to Grant Hill, but apart from that I enjoyed your post.

[drpg913Participant]

Has nothing to do with this post but why doesn’t Lebron get compared to Grant Hill they play a lot a like. Obviously Lebron has had a better career but comparing their styles of play I think they’re pretty similiar games. 

[drpg913Participant]

Has nothing to do with this post but why doesn’t Lebron get compared to Grant Hill they play a lot a like. Obviously Lebron has had a better career but comparing their styles of play I think they’re pretty similiar games. 

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Grant Hill with a shot and less playmaking skills is a completely different player to Grant Hill, but apart from that I enjoyed your post.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

Stephen Curry, Luol Deng, Andrei Kirilenko, Shawn Marion, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Antawn Jamison, Dwyane Wade, Russell Westbrook, Jeff Green, Avery Bradley, Terrence Jones and many others.  These guys are no longer usually thought of as tweeners because they succeeded in the league.

People obsess about positional distinctions way more than is necessary.  Parker isn’t guaranteed to be a great player, but if he is, he isn’t going to flop because he doesn’t perfectly fit the template of a single position.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

Stephen Curry, Luol Deng, Andrei Kirilenko, Shawn Marion, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Antawn Jamison, Dwyane Wade, Russell Westbrook, Jeff Green, Avery Bradley, Terrence Jones and many others.  These guys are no longer usually thought of as tweeners because they succeeded in the league.

People obsess about positional distinctions way more than is necessary.  Parker isn’t guaranteed to be a great player, but if he is, he isn’t going to flop because he doesn’t perfectly fit the template of a single position.

[max23Participant]

 20-23 prs a game huh?What will his fg% be?

For the record,one reason some people compare him to tweeners is because theres no way to know if hes explosive enough to get to the hole,create good shots on good nba defense.Hes looked great against subpar competition but against top 90 defenses(14 games) he has shot 40% from field and 33% from 3…

He seems like a mature,humble,hard working man,and i think he will figure out how to score in the nba efficiently eventually(i dont think next year),and to be about average defensively,but people thinking it wont take lots of work have a bit too much faith…I also hope he doesnt become a black hole(1.2 asts and 2.3 tos at Duke)…

[caray12Participant]

 competition  he faired well in those games and against teams that have future NBA players on there team. Yeah he struggled against great defensive teams that make him the focal point on defense and well pack the paint and double and some triple teamed. Like going against Viginia. He had great games against Kansas, UCLA, North Carolina, North Carolina, State, Michigan, Pittsburg, and the final game against Virginia. He did struggle against Arizona and Virginia but if you watch the game if Jabari Parker get somebody in the post they would double and when he drives to the paint they pack it. He dis great against top level competition and in the big games that had future pro’s on the team. 

I don’t agree with you saying he’s not explosive because if you watch his games he plays above the rim. And I was stating once he gets to NBA the trainers will work on his body to get quicker, more explosive, and more athletic. He have 12% of body fat and alot of baby fat that when they shed it he will be a totally different athlete. And by the way to the people saying you can’t do this ask Victor Oladipo and Cody Zeller how they worked on it.

I said I won’t be suprise if he average that and alot of analysis saying Jabari Parker going to average 20 points per game. The Bucks have no other scoring options on the team besides Jabari Parker and he will get his touches and he would score alot of points.  He won’t be double teamed like he was in college and he will play 35-37 minutes a game so I can see him being a big timed scorer shooting 44-46% from the field and 37% from 3 point range.

And my final say is why do everybody keep saying he’s now going up against NBA defense and it’s lengh when all I see is only Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Tony Allen, LeBron James, and Jimmy Butler is the only great NBA wing defenders and you have ageing players like Marion, Ariza, and Deng. There’s not alot of great defenders out there and people overuse that statement a little to much. And the great thing about Jabari Parker’s game is that he’s versatile and if your smaller than him he will post you up and if your bigger and slower than him he will take you off the dribble.

[max23Participant]

Its not like it was a few games.Heres from Dean: 500 min vs top 100 defenses:22.5 pts/g,19.4 fgas,42.4 efg%,41.1 2fg%,1.1 asts,3.2 tos.

574 min vs non top 100 defenses:(btw as far as scoring defenses,uncstate was 159 th,unc was 164th,Kansas was 177( you saw what happened in that game when Wiggins guarded him),ucla 186th)

27.1 pts/g,17.8 fgas,59.4 efg%,58.7 2fg%,1.9 asts,2.9 tos

But fair enough,you could argue that he did bad against good defenses because of added focus.But why keep shooting bad shots instead of finding teammates?Its not like he was surrounded by bad shooters.I watched every games of his being a huge Duke fan,and what i saw often was him being unable to beat his man off the dribble so would settle for contested midrange shots,while the announcers were saying how much better of a player he is when going to the rim or posting up.WHat will happen this year when he will get extra focus from teams who will have way better defenders to try with?

Im not going to say his explosiveness can’t improve,he did carry extra fat.All im saying is the guy i saw at Duke needs a LOT of work to average 20pts/g,and shoot 44-46%.SUre analysts say he can average 20 pts/g,but i havent heard 44-46%.Fpr the record i think a lot of players could average 20 pts/g on this bucks team without adding many wins.BTW,Kevin Durant(best college player ive seen since started watching in 1999)shot 43% on 17.8 shots his rookie season.Carmelo,who looked way better as a freshman than Parker did,shot 42.9% on 17.9 shots.So personnally i would be very happy for Parker if he averaged 20-23 pts/g as a rookie shooting 44-46%,but would be extremely surprised.

 

 

 

[max23Participant]

Its not like it was a few games.Heres from Dean: 500 min vs top 100 defenses:22.5 pts/g,19.4 fgas,42.4 efg%,41.1 2fg%,1.1 asts,3.2 tos.

574 min vs non top 100 defenses:(btw as far as scoring defenses,uncstate was 159 th,unc was 164th,Kansas was 177( you saw what happened in that game when Wiggins guarded him),ucla 186th)

27.1 pts/g,17.8 fgas,59.4 efg%,58.7 2fg%,1.9 asts,2.9 tos

But fair enough,you could argue that he did bad against good defenses because of added focus.But why keep shooting bad shots instead of finding teammates?Its not like he was surrounded by bad shooters.I watched every games of his being a huge Duke fan,and what i saw often was him being unable to beat his man off the dribble so would settle for contested midrange shots,while the announcers were saying how much better of a player he is when going to the rim or posting up.WHat will happen this year when he will get extra focus from teams who will have way better defenders to try with?

Im not going to say his explosiveness can’t improve,he did carry extra fat.All im saying is the guy i saw at Duke needs a LOT of work to average 20pts/g,and shoot 44-46%.SUre analysts say he can average 20 pts/g,but i havent heard 44-46%.Fpr the record i think a lot of players could average 20 pts/g on this bucks team without adding many wins.BTW,Kevin Durant(best college player ive seen since started watching in 1999)shot 43% on 17.8 shots his rookie season.Carmelo,who looked way better as a freshman than Parker did,shot 42.9% on 17.9 shots.So personnally i would be very happy for Parker if he averaged 20-23 pts/g as a rookie shooting 44-46%,but would be extremely surprised.

 

 

 

[caray12Participant]

 competition  he faired well in those games and against teams that have future NBA players on there team. Yeah he struggled against great defensive teams that make him the focal point on defense and well pack the paint and double and some triple teamed. Like going against Viginia. He had great games against Kansas, UCLA, North Carolina, North Carolina, State, Michigan, Pittsburg, and the final game against Virginia. He did struggle against Arizona and Virginia but if you watch the game if Jabari Parker get somebody in the post they would double and when he drives to the paint they pack it. He dis great against top level competition and in the big games that had future pro’s on the team. 

I don’t agree with you saying he’s not explosive because if you watch his games he plays above the rim. And I was stating once he gets to NBA the trainers will work on his body to get quicker, more explosive, and more athletic. He have 12% of body fat and alot of baby fat that when they shed it he will be a totally different athlete. And by the way to the people saying you can’t do this ask Victor Oladipo and Cody Zeller how they worked on it.

I said I won’t be suprise if he average that and alot of analysis saying Jabari Parker going to average 20 points per game. The Bucks have no other scoring options on the team besides Jabari Parker and he will get his touches and he would score alot of points.  He won’t be double teamed like he was in college and he will play 35-37 minutes a game so I can see him being a big timed scorer shooting 44-46% from the field and 37% from 3 point range.

And my final say is why do everybody keep saying he’s now going up against NBA defense and it’s lengh when all I see is only Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Tony Allen, LeBron James, and Jimmy Butler is the only great NBA wing defenders and you have ageing players like Marion, Ariza, and Deng. There’s not alot of great defenders out there and people overuse that statement a little to much. And the great thing about Jabari Parker’s game is that he’s versatile and if your smaller than him he will post you up and if your bigger and slower than him he will take you off the dribble.

[max23Participant]

 20-23 prs a game huh?What will his fg% be?

For the record,one reason some people compare him to tweeners is because theres no way to know if hes explosive enough to get to the hole,create good shots on good nba defense.Hes looked great against subpar competition but against top 90 defenses(14 games) he has shot 40% from field and 33% from 3…

He seems like a mature,humble,hard working man,and i think he will figure out how to score in the nba efficiently eventually(i dont think next year),and to be about average defensively,but people thinking it wont take lots of work have a bit too much faith…I also hope he doesnt become a black hole(1.2 asts and 2.3 tos at Duke)…

[bmac697Participant]

 Who in their right mind compared Jabari Parker to Williams or bennet? Parker is more old skewl scorer like pierce, uses his smarts not athletisim to get baskets. Williams and bennet right now mostly score off their athletisim. IMO different players Jabari is Jabari Parker, if anything compare to pierce not bennet that’s just ridiculas

[bmac697Participant]

 Who in their right mind compared Jabari Parker to Williams or bennet? Parker is more old skewl scorer like pierce, uses his smarts not athletisim to get baskets. Williams and bennet right now mostly score off their athletisim. IMO different players Jabari is Jabari Parker, if anything compare to pierce not bennet that’s just ridiculas

[LindseyParticipant]

 I think the Williams was being used primarily as basement or a worst of case for someone who is a tweener, and to be frank, a lot of the tweener talk regarding Jabari hinges on his defence, not offence. Is he fast for 3s and big enough for 4s. I personally think he could be a great new-age four, where he could develop a Carlos Boozer like post game and Pierce style of play to his perimetre game when he brings defenders out. 

All the concers were layed on his Defence.

Anthony Bennett only really got brought into the conversation after Embiid got injured because if the Cavs drafted Parker it would be a big hint at them leaving Bennett out of their future plans, when imo AB still has potential to be a very serviceable player. He transformed his body tremendously over the course of the season and im excited to see what a full offseason does for him. 

But yes they were never true guidelines for what parker will become. 

[LindseyParticipant]

 I think the Williams was being used primarily as basement or a worst of case for someone who is a tweener, and to be frank, a lot of the tweener talk regarding Jabari hinges on his defence, not offence. Is he fast for 3s and big enough for 4s. I personally think he could be a great new-age four, where he could develop a Carlos Boozer like post game and Pierce style of play to his perimetre game when he brings defenders out. 

All the concers were layed on his Defence.

Anthony Bennett only really got brought into the conversation after Embiid got injured because if the Cavs drafted Parker it would be a big hint at them leaving Bennett out of their future plans, when imo AB still has potential to be a very serviceable player. He transformed his body tremendously over the course of the season and im excited to see what a full offseason does for him. 

But yes they were never true guidelines for what parker will become. 

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 I’m really surprised people aren’t more critical of Jabari’s 1.2 assists per game He had twice as many turnovers as assists on the year.  Duke had a lot of talent on that team and Jabari basically had one assist per game all year.  As a scout or GM, I would’ve been worried a lot more about this than his supposed lack of athleticism or terrible defense.  He has the skill to overcome the athleticism issue and the defense is effort.  If you watched him play this year he never looked to set up his teammates.  He forced shots and ignored wide open shooters when he was quadruple teamed.  I was actually stunned at the selfishness he showed in many games.  He scored 27 points against UVA in the ACC tournament final but took 26 shots.  In the NBA, Jabari won’t be the most gifted offensive player all of the time like he was in college for many games against lesser talented teams.  As a 19 year old rookie coming in it will not rub his teammates the right way coming in and chucking 20-25 shots a game and not ever looking to pass.  People say he’s such a good guy, well-spoken and humble.  I think Jabari needs a serious dose of humility and really needs to start sharing the ball more.  

 

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 I’m really surprised people aren’t more critical of Jabari’s 1.2 assists per game He had twice as many turnovers as assists on the year.  Duke had a lot of talent on that team and Jabari basically had one assist per game all year.  As a scout or GM, I would’ve been worried a lot more about this than his supposed lack of athleticism or terrible defense.  He has the skill to overcome the athleticism issue and the defense is effort.  If you watched him play this year he never looked to set up his teammates.  He forced shots and ignored wide open shooters when he was quadruple teamed.  I was actually stunned at the selfishness he showed in many games.  He scored 27 points against UVA in the ACC tournament final but took 26 shots.  In the NBA, Jabari won’t be the most gifted offensive player all of the time like he was in college for many games against lesser talented teams.  As a 19 year old rookie coming in it will not rub his teammates the right way coming in and chucking 20-25 shots a game and not ever looking to pass.  People say he’s such a good guy, well-spoken and humble.  I think Jabari needs a serious dose of humility and really needs to start sharing the ball more.  

 

[max23Participant]

People might say you are hating being a unc fan,but as a huge Duke fan i have pretty much the same opinion of him.

[max23Participant]

People might say you are hating being a unc fan,but as a huge Duke fan i have pretty much the same opinion of him.

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

I respect that and I’m glad glad someone else sees that in Jabari.  

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

I respect that and I’m glad glad someone else sees that in Jabari.  

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Who in the hell compared him to Anthony Bennett or Derrick Williams?  I haven’t seen or heard that once.  Melo is the perfect comparison, and really the only comparison I ever see. 

 

And he isn’t Grant Hill.  Hill had elite athleticism, elite defense, and was able to play point forward.  None of which Jabari can do or has.

 

 

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Who in the hell compared him to Anthony Bennett or Derrick Williams?  I haven’t seen or heard that once.  Melo is the perfect comparison, and really the only comparison I ever see. 

 

And he isn’t Grant Hill.  Hill had elite athleticism, elite defense, and was able to play point forward.  None of which Jabari can do or has.

 

 

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 I did away with the Jabari Parker/Carmelo Anthony comparison prior to Draft day. I went back and watched some film on Tim Thomas a while ago, and I think that comparison seems to fit Parker more than the Superstar player we always initially compare a guy to.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 I did away with the Jabari Parker/Carmelo Anthony comparison prior to Draft day. I went back and watched some film on Tim Thomas a while ago, and I think that comparison seems to fit Parker more than the Superstar player we always initially compare a guy to.

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