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I've almost given up on John Wall already, am I wrong?

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I've almost given up on John Wall already, am I wrong?

I was a huge fan of his at Kentucky, I thought he was a very exiting prospect and could have made a impact very early on in the NBA...

But now that his Wizards are still a Mess and he can't get on the court or stay healthy, I've officially given up hope that he'll be an All Star Pg in the East

Here are some Eastern Conference Pg's that are clearly better than Wall this year...I don't think he's ever produce at the level that these players have over the course of an 82 game season, and I'm starting to think he never will be a long term solution for the Wizards...He certainly doesn't look like a Franchise player...

1. Rajon Rondo (Celtics) I won't begin to even Explain why Wall ain't better than Rondo!!!

2. Deron Williams (Nets) See Rajon Rondo above ^^^

3. Jrue Holiday (76ers) to remain unbiased I won't even compare Wall and Holiday's careers, I'll just say that Jrue lead his team to a 7 game series against the Celtics, he hasn't missed anytime due to injury in his career yet and is leading his team to a winning record this year without veteran leaders like Elton Brand and Andre Iguadola, not to mention replacing Lou Williams' scoring and subbing in as Franchise player in place of Injured C Andrew Bynum...

4. Brandon Jennings (Bucks) Jennings has played huge for the Bucks since he fell in their lap, he's also playing his way to a max level contract for a Pg that was pegged as a flash in the pan, I think he far better than Wall at this point...

5. Kyle Lowry (Raptors) Kyle is a Better defender, passer, leader, shooter and more durable than Wall...

6. Jason Kidd (Knicks) I don't even have to explain this one...

7. Jeff Teague/Devin Harris ( Hawks) Teague has shown up to play in the playoffs and when Harris was good he was Great...Wall 0 playoff appearences to date...

8. Jameer Nelson (Magic) Former All Star helped lead the Magic to several winning Seasons...Wall 0 playoff appearences to date...

9. Kemba Walker (Bobcats) yes I think Kemba is a better longterm NBA prospect, hge's won me over with a NCAA Title and helping the Bobcats play hard this season, he and MKG are changing the losing attitude in Charlote...

10. Kyrie Irving (Cavs) Only put him this low because he's still young, but he's a top 5 PG in the East already and he's only getting better...I'd put him behind Rondo, Williams, Holiday and Jennings right now...

Brandon Knight will be a better pro than John Wall too, something that would have been laughable to say a few years ago...


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Let him get on the court

Let him get on the court before you give up on him. We will know a lot more about him when he comes back because he hasn't really had much talent around him.

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the scarecrow rises this has

the scarecrow rises this has to be one of the stupidest things anybody has ever posted on here

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...what the eff are you

...what the eff are you saying...wall has yet to step on the court this year...this guy avged 16.4 8.3 and 4.6 for his first two years and for a very very bad team...yes he has a very poor jumpshot and hopefully he takes the time to fix it but his fg% went up last year and it will continue to go up as his team gets better and theres less pressure for him to put up shots. its ridiculous you would even say brandon knight will be better because he has shown nothing yet. i havent watched his recent games but i saw all of the pistons first 5-6 games and he was terrible. this is also his third year, whihc is the year players tend to really raise their game up so unless his numbers are terrible by the end of the season you cannot bash the guy.

man you need some better reasons than to say why nelson, teague, walker, knight, are better

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i dont think

the person who posted this knows very much about basketball

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wall?

maybe if wall would focus on his conditioning he could get on the court and we could see what he has. conditioning is a big part of the nba as well as skill set. if his career is constantly injury ridden than he is not gonna get on the court much, and there for he will be a bust. a team is not gonna wait around 5-6 years on a number 1 pick to start getting healthy and struggle vastly every year while waiting. this is on wall to get in the right condition and stay healthy.

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I'm surprised by Jennings, I

I'm surprised by Jennings, I didn't think he would be this good. It's going tough for the Bucks to keep him. The Raptors, Kings, Hornets will be going after him.

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You throw out John Wall's stats but left out the biggest 1

what is his team's record and winning % over that Time...Has he really made any strides aside from learning a few new dance moves...

I got to watch Wall up close while he was still at Kentucky, a hasn't gotten better since than, in fact he's taken steps backwards...

He makes terrible decisions and Turn's the ball over a lot, his jump shot is broken and he won't be out quicking anyone in a few years...

Jameer Nelsonm lead the Magic to a VERY good record, sure he had Dwight Howard but how'd Howard doing in L.A again? Did Dwight and the Magic ever make it back to the Finals, that was largly due to Nelson being a step slower than he was, he's actually looking very good lately and I can still remember the Magic in the playoff's last year(Without Howard) again Wall went fishing very early didn't HE???

Devin Harris was one of the League's quickest players and was playing like an All Star before he got a bunch of injuries in N.J and Utah, he's still a better defender and floor general than Wall, he also shoots better %'s and has been to the playoffs with Utah and Dallas...he's had a far better pro career than John Wall dispit those stats you threw out...

Walker and Knight have made bigger strides in learning the position and will have larger roles in their team's success...I will admit if Im wrong in the future...

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Geez Scarecrow

Let the guy plat a game first. The person that posted this does know about basketball, he just sometimes uses as they say in Office Space, "A Jump to Conclusions Mat". I will admit that Wall did not have a good sophomore NBA season, but I will give him a chance to improve first.

He has a pretty simple task of improving a Washington team that has yet to win without him. Also, you realize Raymond Felton has been playing more PG for New York than Jason Kidd, right? Pretty amazing how J-Kidd could slide over to the two, but that is what has happened. Your love of Brandon Knight over John Wall still seems to be a stretch as well. Plus calling Jameer Nelson a better PG?

Wall has had two seasons and very little help. They may be bad with him, but look at them without him! You just seem to dislike him, maybe stemming from your dislike of Evan Turner (your wanting to trade him for a player who I shall keep confidential blows my mind). Not everyone is going to come up and lead a team to the play-offs. The Wizards are a damn mess. You may predict Wall will not be better than at least a few of these players (I will say Teague, Harris, Nelson, Walker and Knight, this season. Probably more next), I just think it is unfair to say that without him having a played a game this year.

Almost every player you listed is not a franchise player, beyond possibly Rondo and Williams. Even both of them need help. John Wall may not be an All-Star this season, he is coming from behind and on an awful team. Just think I will give him a chance to improve this year and think he may surprise when he comes back. Expect better shooting (not hard) and he has definitely been able to create for his (mostly bad) teammates. Put a number of those PG's in his position (well, at least the ones I listed as Wall being better than), doubt the Wizards are any better than they are with Wall.

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did you just say nelson led

did you just say nelson led that magic team? have you looked at nelson's fg% this year lol and his poor playmaking ability compared to wall's....how do you expect a sophomore to lead a team as bad as the wizards into the playoffs...might as well bash irving as well?

also howards doing amazing in LA lmao so what are you saying?...he isnt even 100% yet and hes producing well already...

man the argument with wall not takin his team to the playoffs is so ridiculous...yet you say kemba walker is better and so is knight. btw lets watch nelson take the magic to the playoffs this year then alright? if he doesnt lose his starting gig to moore that is lol

in your case i guess darren collison is better than kyrie irving too cuz he "led" the pacers to the playoffs almost beating the heat...while you're at it according to your philosophy roy hibbert is better than kevin love cuz he led his team to the playoffs too...

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Howard is doing so Amazing in LA

He just got out worked by Cousins and Jason Thompson and the Lakers lost to the Kings!!! GTFOH

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lol....you know nothing about

lol....you know nothing about basketball do you?...ai crossed jordan that one time in his career thus ai is better than jordan....

i got a better one westbrook and the thunder beat cp3 and the clips last night cp3 shot terribly from the field thus, westbrook is now the number one pg in the league...

you are right dude i need to GTFO cuz the way you process basketball is way to intelligent for me

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Going through

The same thing with Tyreke Evans. On the contrary, Evans defense seems to be consistent this season. Was looking for a jump shot, but the guy is impressing me on the other end of the court. I would love for us to package something together and get Wall though. I mean damn...Wall and big Cuz back together. A man can dream though, a man can dream...

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I like the Tyreke Evans

I like the Tyreke Evans comparison. On the surface Wall and Evans have everything you'd look for in a PG or SG/SF. When you look closer... their athletic abilities are a bit overrated, both struggle shooting the ball, they can get their shot off ANYTIME but probably shouldn't, defense is just average, they need the ball in their hands to be effective, they are often injured and the #1 thing to keep in mind is that their playing styles are not conducive to wins. There's a bit of Melo in both of them (hated Melo's last second shot last game,...what a waste).

The bench mark for a franchise talent is Lebron, with Paul (also pulled an end of game spinning fade away with Westbrook in his face last game...BOOO!) a close second. These are adaptable players who make teams better. They are the difference between wins and loss's and both have taken teams with suspect talent around them deep into the playoffs. Wall is no where close to being this type of player. Even Kobe couldn't take his teams past the first round without Shaq or Gasol. Paul and Lebron made it work with what they had which is astounding.

I'll be shocked if Wall returns and the Wiz are anything but marginally better. He'll get his stats, but they're pretty empty when they don't result in wins.

As to the posters question... if you mean "give up on Wall" as a franchise player?.. then yes. Wall is still a worth while player but he has yet to find his way.

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First off kid aint even

First off kid aint even played one game this year,and he was great with the team he had last year..

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Wall has too much talent and

Wall has too much talent and great work ethic to be given up on.

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wall

the wizards should draft shabazz this year and bring beal off the bench as a sixth man and 3 option. if wall can stay healthy for a full 82 games and has a dominant scoring 2 guard like shabazz you would see the wizards improve significantly. wall would not be under pressure to be the main scoring option any more and could focus more on becoming the best true pg he can be.

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Please Rank John Wall then Mikey...

Just rank the Eastern Conference Pg's...Where would you put Wall??? I'll accept the fact people have a different view of Pg's than me...

Nelson was fantastic at St. Joe's and the year the Magic went to the Finals(He was injured through the Playoff's but he was a major piece to that Team)

I don't mind taking the hit on points either, I'm not trying to rip the guy because you should know I really am rooting for him...

Here's my honest opinion...

1. He's not a better Basketball player than some of the lesser known Point Guards in the League(Lowry,Lawson,Parker)

2. He's not even a better player than some of the oldest Pg's in the League(Nash, Kidd, Billups)

3. I'd take a glut of younger PG's over him too(Irving, Jennings, Holiday, Lilliard, Knight)

4. When are we going to start factoring in Team success, since we get caught up with individual stats...And when are we going to stop making the same excuses for failure(lack of talent, youth, injury)...

5. Lastly, The Wizards seemingly do have some talent on their roster(Nene, Okefor and Ariza are servicable) Beal, Crawford, Singleton, Vessely, Seraphin and Booker are still young and I Can't call many players a scrub on the team besides maybe A.J Price...Why hasnt there been a culture shift??? Is it because the Franchise player cannot command the respect of his team mates and speed the growing up process???

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you should also say westbrook

you should also say westbrook and jason kidd is better than cp3 cuz they took their team to the finals...ummm dont forget jj barea he took dallas to the championships that year...hes better than all the other pgs in the league too that didnt make it that far...oh shawn marion? hes better than lebron because he beat him in 2011...jason terry? hes better than kobe because he beat him that year in the playoffs...

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You shouldn't give up on him,

You shouldn't give up on him, but if you thought that he was a franchise changing talent, I think that you should adjust your expectations of him. He has the game to be very productive and he'll still be exciting. Sometimes that's all players needs to become an All-Star at some point in their career. But I doubt he's the type of player who turns a franchise around or becomes a player who a championship caliber team can be built around. He's just not that smart or clever enough of a player. He's not good in the half court, he doesn't show great leadership skills and he doesn't have the aura of someone who players rally behind or improve by playing with him.

He's an exciting, physically gifted player but I don't think he'll ever be elite at his position. Mentally and in terms of intangibles, there's just something missing.

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Wow, I been saying all that.

Wow, I been saying all that. The apg always gets brought up against me, but even on a bad team someone still has to be pass the ball or score. I thought it was crazy a year ago people were putting his name up there with Rose. I got negged around 40 times on a single thread during his first summer league by everyone that thought that was his coming out party.

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He averaged 8apg in his first

He averaged 8apg in his first two seasons while playing with JaVale McGee, Andray Blatche, Jordan Crawford, and Nick Young.

If you can do that, you're going to be special, I don't know if any other point guards outside of Chris Paul and Rajon Rondo could do that.

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All I gotta say about that

All I gotta say about that is: look beyond the stats.

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Wall might take a while to

Wall might take a while to understand that he cant physically dominate a game like he did in high school and college. His physical gifts are freakish. When healthy, I think he's the fastest player in the league, has SG strength and excellent vertical leap. He's got great court vision, but makes too many mistakes, like jumping before a pass, or making ill advised no looks in traffic. By the time he's 26, this conversation will be deemed stupid and overly reactive, because he still has more potential than 99% of NBA players now. If JR Smith can put it together in his 9th season, I think its way way too early to give up on a talent like Wall.

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Good thread

Wall needs to turn the corner this year. No more excuses his job is to make these guys better. He has to run the half court O better. I think that is his biggest issue. He is impressive in the open court and driving to the hoop. He needs to be a better leader. He did not change the culture and effort level like a Kyrie Irving. He had more talent than what Kyrie has played with, but has not had the same franchise changing effect. Both of them seem to have health issues though. NBA is rough and its schedule is rougher.

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Be patient Scarecrow, he

Be patient Scarecrow, he needs to actually play a game this year before we can judge him, and even then I'm guessing he will come back rusty for a couple games. Last year he showed for a good stretch that he can play at a very high level. There was a good 20-30 game stretch in the middle of the year where he averaged around 20 and 10 on 50% shooting. I don't know what happened after that (seriously why did he all of a sudden drop off late in the year?) but he has the talent and work ethic to be elite. He still needs to improve the mental aspect of his game, but most players do when they are only 22 years old.

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Like others are saying, be PATIENT

He hasn't even played a game yet, so you don't know how much he has improved. And I'm pretty confident in saying that no way would you be saying that Jason Kidd, Devin Harris, and Brandon Knight are better than Wall if he was healthy and playing.

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U can give up on Wall if you

U can give up on Wall if you want, I'm not....the guy CAREER AVERAGES are 16,8,4 and he's only 22!!!!

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I bet you haven't given up on Evan Turner yet!!

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