It's time to adress all Greg Oden Homers
Im going to start my rant by saying this "Greg Oden is a BUST". I know there are afew ppl that will back me in this arguement . Im not posting this just to cause a conflict, it is quite the opposite i want all the homers to help me understand why after 4 seasons greg oden is still the "untouchable game changer" that he was in highschool. The great part about all this is someone will say hey man i saw him in a scrimmage and he was a beast........BIG DEAL there are many great practice players and it must be great for a guy like greg oden when you dont have to play more than half of every season and you still have a huge fan following that is enstilled in the belief that at some point he will turn it around. I will reiterate the fact again greg oden is a bust im mean plz ppl lets be real everyone and there momma know the blazers should have picked kevin durant but the trailblazers repeated a grave mistake that they had done years ealier, if you dont know i am refering to sam bowie. Sam bowie is widley regarded as one of the biggest busts in nba history mostlybecause of the imensly skilled players selected after him (Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley Etc.) but if you look at sams stats you'll see he was a decent nba center if not for the fact he was very injury prone, look you guys arent stupid look at the similarites between the two. I mean sure greg oden may have/had talent and upside coming out of the draft but we have given him His chances and what has he shown us? At the most he may be a back up center. Frankliy, he really isnt all that talented sure he can block a shot and grab a rebound but have you seen the guy play he is a lost puppy on offence has no idea what he is doing and is foul prone. So all these insane predictions that he gunna average 16pts and 12 rebs are absolutly wild and the greg oden homers need to revaluate their expectaions of a overhyped, unproven,cluster f.uck center
I have to say that I was one of those Greg Oden homers until this season. And I think that's okay. He showed some promise early last season. He avg 11ppg 8,5rpg and 2,5bpg in 23min!!!! Yes he gets to easy into foul trouble but thats because he is so unexperienced. So I understand if people think that this guy can be a complimentary piece for a championship team, maybe even more.
For this season I don't think the Blazers said once that he was back to 100%. I saw some photos of him and he looked weak, as if he lost a lot of weight just simply not in shape.
I think he might return and be a solid classic center, maybe a back-up, but he will never become a game changer.
Edit: And he shot 60%.
okay on draft day i was sceptical about the oden pick because i just liked durant better... having said that i understood the arguments that were made about oden as the number one pick. and i think at that time those arguments were at least not insane to me.
looking at it now i think nobody in his right mind would say the blazers made the right pick. what i am resisting is to bash the blazers because at the time i could at least understand why you make that move and a lot of people could. but now many of those go out and say the blazers were stupid. i mean why are they now stupid because they couldn´t see the future? okay and hail to all of you who knew it back then cause at least i didn´t.
and one thing last: i think people resist to say oden was a bust cause they think that implicates that he is a bad player or a bad guy. for me he is a bust right now but not cause he is a bad player but cause he is never healthy....
who do you think is the bigger bust oden or darko? i think darko because he stayed healthy and couldn´t produce anyway....
I've always liked Oden as a player and both a person but his injury problems are a worry, Portland would have made a logical move if they had drafted on position and taken Durant as they had Aldridge, Big Z and Randolph in the frontcourt but like everyone else I agreed they had to take Oden as he had perceived defensive game changing qualities.
Oden has shown glimpses of this potential whilst on court but he needs to stay fit to try and fulfill his potential.
I always thought that Portland were a train wreck in the Jailblazers days but gained respect for them when Kevin Pritchard made some big draft day moves. Them releasing Pritchard did leave a sour taste in my mouth.
Calling Greg Oden a bust, interesting. Saying "Amen" to your own post, also interesting. I loved Omar Cook man, but please, lol. I will say, as of right now, everyone saying these things are right, as Kevin Durant has killed it and Greg has just gotten hurt which has slowed his productivity. But, again, what I will say is this, he is not a career back-up, and when he has played he has shown flashes of being one of the better Centers in the league eventually. I do not know why people feel the need to call him out, as I feel calling out someone who has been injured is indeed, weak. Again, while this looks exactly like the Michael Jordan/Sam Bowie situation, 30 out of 30 teams would have taken Greg Oden first. So, if you knew Kevin Durant was the better player, pat your self on the back, give yourself a gold star and buy a cookie at the bakery. But, for now, as a "homer" I will roll with the Trail Blazers and Greg Oden. Someone said they liked wing players, so that is why they would have taken Durant. Well, I have always been a fan of post players, which is why I thought Oden was the obvious pick. I was wrong, but that still does not mean that I think Greg Oden is as useless a player as everyone else here does. He is 22 years old, still incredibly athletic for his size and is just flat out bigger/stronger than 95% of the league. To me, that bodes well for the Blazers when he is able to play, which while that is definitely a wild card, it is something that should indeed happen.
I find it funny that now that Oden has been injured, EVERYBODY "knew Durant should've gone first" lol. It's hilarious. Oden had been projected as the top pick since his soph year of high school. EVERY team in the draft would've selected Oden. There were GMs all the way back in 2004 saying they'd have taken Oden over Howard and Okafor.
IF Oden never got injured, there's a great chance he'd be competing with Howard for the top center in the league right now. Facts are, he hasn't been healthy though. You can call him a bust due to injury, BUT... He's only 22 years old. Even with the disappointing start to his career, that's too soon to write a player off. He could still have a 10-11 year career.
IF Portland were to tell teams Oden was available, every single team in the league would be calling.
Interesting name by the way... Omar Cook a legend? Really?
You sound mad. Did your girl see Oden's nude pics or something?
1st-you cant say amen to your own post
2nd-oden absolutely still has all-star potential and im not just basing that off college or some practice. Dude has what it takes, he just has to stay healthy. Obviously, if he doesnt stay healthy and we see yet another season lost to injury, then i might start saying bust, but not yet. Sometimes these things happen and even if oden never becomes great, a solid big man who can clean the boards and play defense can still have a big impact in this league.
3rd-like indianabasketball mentioned, almost everyone thought oden should go number 1. If you thought it should have been durant, then good for you. But lets not act like portland are all the suddne a bunch of idiots or something for taking him. I hate monday morning quarterbacks who seem to know everything in hindsite.
1 Thing nobody even mentions is Seattle (now Oklahoma City) Management was hoping to Draft Oden if they had gotten the 1st pick..They felt he was the missing piece..If they had gotten Oden they could've been a playoff contender..But if they ended up with Durant they should start rebuilding..By letting Rashard Lewis leave thru free agency and trade Ray Allen.....They had used picks earlier on guys like Swift,Petro & Sene now those guys are what you would call BUSTS!!
Memphis front office also would've drafted Oden 1st..They said they already had a fabulous wing player in Rudy Gay..They wanted someone who could defend the post...
Guys like Durant come around every 2 years..Guys like Oden only come around every 10 years..And when they do evry team wants to take a shot at getting them....
AMEN!!!!^^^^ and thank God...lol
OMARtheLegend please dont become another DNYCE,BullsFan or KillerInstinct
Interesting to see how things would have turned out if Seattle had got top pick back in 2007, I guess that Ray Allen would not have been traded. Rashard Lewis may well have opted out and I doubt that Seattle would have matched what the Magic offered him but it would have probably stopped KG going to Boston if there had been no Ray Allen there already.
We need guys like DNYCE (well, maybe not like DNYCE, maybe a tier below him) on this site, Rudeboy. They just provide more entertainment. They post stuff that they know no one will agree with.
Yeah they really wanted Oden after drafting Stiffs like Swift,Petro and Sene..With 2 All-Stars in Allen & Lewis they thought Oden was the missing piece..
After they failed to get Oden management felt they should draft Durant and rebuild around him..
They definitely were after him. I think they were praying that the Blazers would pick Durant. Here is how I see it, Kevin Durant has lived up to expectations, well, to me he has far exceeded them. He killed it in college, he had amazing tools for an SF and showed he could be a match-up nightmare, but Greg Oden had also lived up to his billing in his one year in college as well. The draft combine, which I doubt played much of a part in the draft process, showed Greg Oden to be an incredible athlete for his size, where he posted higher vert numbers and faster speed times than Durant. While Oden did not lift weights due to his wrist injury, Durant could not lift a 185 pound bar once. I think that the athletic tests rarely show you a players full capability as an athlete, and this was just a great example of that. But, when Durant posted these mediocre and below average numbers, did it not raise some red flags at the time? Was Kevin Durant going to be able to take physical pounding from stronger 3 men? His first season in the league, he had the reigns to his team handed to him, but he shot a poor percentage and his team was awful. You still saw flashes of potential, but did people see him being in the argument with Kobe, LeBron and Wade? Even now I would still not put him in there class yet. But, I will say, he has far exceeded expectations, even with his one year in college being probably the best ever by a freshman, do not forget that the next year, Michael Beasley put up quite similar numbers and grabbed more boards in the same conference, also leading his team as far in the tourney as Durant did.
It is taking an easy way out by comparing players, it is just a generalization, but it is incredibly difficult to find a player to compare Kevin Durant with. He has become almost like a Kevin Garnett type prototype for the 3 position, and I expect many players to try to emulate him, but more than likely none to have close to his success. He indeed makes us think of the Jordan and Bowie comparison, as by Jordan's third season, I am sure people were saying the same things only worse about Sam Bowie, who all in all was not a terrible player. For instance, you never really point to Kwame Brown and Michael Olowakandi saying so and so should be picked over them so they are busts. Greg already had close to if not a more successful 82 games than either of those players had, but due to Durant being a 30 point per game scorer, a First Team All-NBA performer and leading a great young team, it is impossible to say that Durant would not have been the better pick at this point.
Nonetheless, Durant's success does not discourage me from saying I think Greg Oden still could have a bright future as a player. I for one, being a Blazers fan and someone who lived in Oregon for 7 years, was ecstatic when they were able to draft him. I still think it was the right pick, and I disagree with people comparing it to the pick of Sam Bowie, because I do not feel it was based on need as much as everyone else may. I just thought that when you have a Center with the ability Greg Oden had shown, you can not pass it up. I did not think Kevin Durant would be a top 5 player in the NBA, which would be the only way you would even think of taking him over a potential franchise Center. I may have been wrong, I think I am wrong about Kevin Durant, though I still have a hard time saying he will be a better player than LeBron James, who was better than Durant at the same age as far as being a complete basketball player, and led his team to the NBA Finals his 4th year in the league. But, I still have a lot of faith in Greg Oden making an impact one day in the NBA. I do not think their has ever been a number 1 pick scrutinized as closely in my memory. Kwame Brown and Michael Olowakandi were never really seen as being in the same ball park as Greg Oden. In his one year in college, he was a man amongst boys, and showed he was a winner. Ohio St. had a very nice team, some solid guards and of course Greg's boy Mike Conley Jr running point, but it was obvious who the most valuable piece was on that team. '97 was the last year that a Center was such an obvious first pick, and he became a PF. Analyze Greg Oden as a prospect, and granted this was at a time where the only injury known to at least the public was his wrist. Look at his track record, HS and College. Look at his frame, strength, mobility for his size and athleticism. The only prospects you could compare him too in the last while would be Andrew Bynum, who was a lot more raw in his basketball skills at a younger age and had to lose a considerable amount of weight to get to where he is. But I even think Andrew lacks Greg's upper body strength. The thing both of these players have in common is a history of injury. Still, I think both of their teams know just how valuable they are to have, and even with the injuries, they keep them knowing that they both have the ability to make their teams serious contenders. The game is won inside-out, not the other way around, and Kevin Durant will need significant help inside if he were to lead the Thunder to a championship. Just remember that before calling him Michael Jordan and Greg Oden, Sam Bowie.
To all the omar haters, he wasnt the best nba basket player but in colliege and highschool he was considered a ny hoops legend. You dont have to be great in the nba to be a legend ever heard of earl manigault, my bad most you homers are too involved in greg oden to realize other talent.
i would have drafted oden with the first pick. hindsight is 20/20 but only 1 or 2 percent of people would have honestly passed on oden to pick durant in that draft. some things dont work out the way that they should. If he ever gets over his injuries and plays for 2 consecutive seasons he will be probably be a top 5 center in the league.
Amen? The thing is "Thank You Based God" at the end of every post.
Also, I don't think Oden is a bust. If that injury stuff was true? Then he qualifies as a busted pick in my eyes. Like, Durant was #2. It wasn't like he was the 15th pick. He was right there with him. Like at that time: Durant would not have been a "OMG, WHAT IS PORTLAND THINKING?" Pick. He would have be alright. I remember Bill Simmons going all Durant but Scott Van Pelt was too ( manly because he's from the DC/Maryland area)
Overall, you had 2 monster prospects at the time and you took the wrong one. You took the convential pick and it backfired. Now that I think about it....that could be a solid reason to feel to fire Kevin Pricthard.
I honestly would've picked Durant. For some reason I am hardly ever high on big men, and love wings and guards. I didn't want Oden (because of Durant) or Blake Griffin (didn't feel it addressed a need) to go number one. I don't know why I have the bias but it's there.
People might take you a little more serious if you could spell "address" correctly, dumb @ss....don't trying spelling words beyond your vocabulary. Don't you have homework kid? Get off the computer and hit the books.
As a GM, I would have taken Durant. There's thing I saw that I liked from Durant
1. He was tall and long. He gave me a Tracy McGrady vibe
2. He could rebound. I watched that OK ST/Texas game and he had like 21 rebounds. He was never gonna be a monster rebounder but I felt he could be a rebounder at the next level.
3. The 185 not once thing was stupid. The guy was 19. That's all I had to say.
When you stated that was a rant you were correct. You didn't really bring any facts to the table to prove why you think he is a bust. Thats cool if you think he's a bust, but all you did is restate your opinion to the tune of 150 words or so and the only thing you brought to back it up is that played out in accurate Sam Bowie comparison. I get it, they got hurt played for the Blazers and a high profile scorer was taken one pick after them. Nice rant, but I don't think you changed anyone's mind and now if Oden puts together a good season people on this site are gonna pull this one up out of the records and call you out.
To compare Omar Cook to a player like Earl Manigault is just insane man. Sure, Omar is considered an incredibly skilled NY PG, but there are so many others in front of him it is ridiculous. Other NY players with much more cred than Omar: Steph, Ron Ron, Rod Strickland, Bernard King, Albert King, Kenny Anderson, Smush Parker, Conrad "McNasty" McCrae, Lew Alcindor, Lamar Odom, Rafer Alston, Fly Williams, Elton Brand, I would say even Andre Barrett has something over him as far as playing more in the NBA. Hell, even Bassy is ahead of Omar. I loved Omar Cook at St. John's, he was a great passer and could do some amazing things. But, HE SHOT 36% FROM THE FIELD! He clearly played at a different time than "the GOAT", and had the opportunity to make the NBA, and left after a solid freshman year, where I think he led the nation or at least Big East in assists. But, his shooting was questioned, of course. Even after killing the Chicago Pre-Draft camp, Omar ended up going 31st in the draft, when it was reported he might go late lottery/mid first. He has played fairly well in Europe, but still never lived up to your claim. So, if you call Omar a legend, than calling someone a "Homer" is pretty ironic :)
Its a fact he is one of many ny basketball greats, and its also ironic cause he obvisouly is not a nba legend but i really think he could be a servicable back up point guard in the nba.
just curious, but whats with the hype all these NY guys get? I mean many of them deserve it, but you would think NY is producing legends and greats every year with all the hype they get coming out of there.