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"You really care about body

"You really care about body language. We were a losing team last year. What you want him to do. Smile and do toe touches? Nobody on the team was exactly a ray of sunshine"

yes i do it carries over to the younger players... "if he is the so called franchise" as u claim him to be, why would you want your younger players to see that? Did you see that sixers core last yr? Goofing around on the bench, acting retarded game after game ith no professionalism?... If not i understand but trust me things like body language carry over to your team mates when your the so called FACE of a franchise..

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Actually they forced hum into

Actually they forced hum into the spot after the season was lost just like alot of d leauge players got mote time. If they were in the playoff hunt then holiday would have still been in the back up role

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just looked it up, starting

just looked it up, starting as of feb 6th, he didnt play less then 20 minutes once, that's over 2 1/2 months

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If you're teammates play is

If you're teammates play is determined by another players body language then you don't have the right teammates. Even if they are young they should give max effort reguardless of some other players body language. I would hope you're boss body language doesn't effect you're work performance

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he started for damn near 3

he started for damn near 3 months, and seeing as how he is a rookie, that's not unusual at all. Point is he is did get the starting job spot regardless of circumstances so the "he couldn't win the starting spot" argument you keep bringing up is irrelevant.

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So Paul George is more

So Paul George is more valuable than Danny Granger? Is that what you're saying? If so......COME ON NOW.

I'm not going to argue about it, just because you get moved doesn't mean you're not the most valuable player on a team. Allen Iverson got moved from Philly, but who was the most valuable player leading up to that? Maybe that's an example you can relate to, maybe you read it in all those newspapers and heard in Philadelphia

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Lilperez you are downplaying

Lilperez you are downplaying Jennings but I do agree that Holiday will have a better all around game but that may not make him better but it does give you an argument.

Jennings is a great play maker and a pretty good defender but he is on the small side so that leave question marks.

Iggy- I think Young is a better perimeter shooter than Iggy and I know he can not handle better than Iggy because Iggy has point guard skills and good defense but his game seem like he would not be a good fit for every team because he do more than what a team may need a the small forward while I feel Thad Young is more of what you would typically see a small forward even given his power forward type skills

Microwave- I think given that this is the year after the year Brand went down with a knee injury and other injuries, he should be fine if Collins utilizes him correctly.

Also Iguadala needs to be on a team with better shooters like he would be perfect for Golden State who have Curry and Ellis.

Ellis may not be a good shooter but his a very efficient scorer.

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perez if not for AI, it would

perez if not for AI, it would have been longer..... you are on pt with your assessment.

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paul george better than

paul george better than granger? hell no... turner better than iggy - hell no? being able to unload those contracts and still have young gems who will get better - HELL YES... Granger / nor iggy is leading his tm to playoffs or out of first round... gotta move on eventually, and you know Brand is not going anywhere...

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How he beat him out when Lou

How he beat him out when Lou was still getting a bunch of min at the point then got hurt and was out which gave gem no other option? And the fact that they were out of the playoff race by then

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jrue started 51 gms... more

jrue started 51 gms... more than half the season.. great read up on Jrue...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/NCAA-undera...

Holiday might be higher on this list if he had another year or two in the NBA to develop, but even as a 19-year-old rookie he made an impact. He replaced injured Lou Williams in the starting lineup midway through the season, putting up 11.9 points, 5.5 assists and 1.5 steals per game after the all-star break.

"We think Jrue's upside is huge," 76ers general manager Ed Stefanski said in a recent live chat on NBA.com. "He is the youngest player in the league, plus he has size and ball-handling skills, his shooting was better than advertised and he can use both hands around the basket. His size and strength will only improve as he gets older."

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nov 27th - jan 15th was when

nov 27th - jan 15th was when lou was out....btw...if lou was to remain the starter he would have gotten his job back in mid january.. Also the EASt was so bad in January we were still in hunt (although we were horrible)

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Iggy to your question, if

Iggy to your question, if George develops in a year like Holiday did, he would be better than Granger.

I like Granger but George has a higher ceiling that if he were to start showing immediately signs you have to consider it.

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I don't think Paul George

I don't think Paul George will be a 25 ppg scorer like Granger. He also isn't going to be the 1.5 bpg or 2.7-3 apg player that Granger is. He may get the same amount of rebounds and more steals, but I highly doubt Geroge will be better than Danny Granger. At best George will be a 19 or 20 ppg scorer who gets 5 rpg 2 apg and 1.5 spg. Very good numbers, but not the top 25 player in the NBA numbers Granger is.

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