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  • #41327
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    coreyk
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    Lets see both took pg’s #1 overall. One took a sg 3rd, the other 4th. So what team has the best future backcourt?…… The intresting thing is that they compliment each other well. Where Wall and Waiters are attackers, the rim their target. While Beal and Irving are cerebal. Both think their way through the game using their athletic gifts. As a cle. fan its too close to call. I might give the small edge to Irving at pg but Beal is the better ‘prospect" right now (pretty sure cle. would have taken beal if he was there) Whose backcourt future is brighter Cle or Was?

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  • #691042
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    meirmeir13

     Well Iriving is the better player out of all mention so slight edge will go to that duo. If you are looking at wins as the basis,  Irving has found his speed and tempo witch makes things alot easier for all. If you are looking at numbers I think that Wall and Beal will produce more but that doesnt make them better. Also that could push Irving to play more of a two guard role with Waiters witch he could be more effective. 

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    • #691043
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      meirmeir13

       Hope everyone doesn’t think that Crawford is just going to lay down and let Beal take his spot

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      • #691047
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        draft2017
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        thats true but crawford might have to be the guy that score off the bench because beal is not just a scorer

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        • #691135
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          JCBaca15
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           i think wall and beal at their best can be very good

          really only beacause john wall is a better pure point guard, a beal is a very good shooter (supposedley) but who knows

          waiters might be overlooked he could end up better than we think, proving perhaps he can play off the ball,

          and irving is stellar in terms of scoring effecientley.

          something to look forward to.

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  • #691044
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    Wall and Beal, they completment each well. Wall is a good passer and beal can create driving lanes for wall, wall’s slashing ability can create open shots for beal. Dion Waiters is a guy that needs the ball to score and so does kyrie but 1 thing they can both do is score in transition.

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  • #691051
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    ghettosermon
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    Have to go with Wall and Beal they compliment each other perfectly on both sides of the floor. Offensively Wall can break down a defense with ease but thus far in his career every time he kicks it out his teammates fail to hit the open shot, now insert Beal who will be able to work off ball and hit the open shots. Defensively both are strong rebounders and Wall is more of the risk taker in the passing lanes and going for steals while Beal is the solid defender with more fundamentals. Irving and Waiters will be good but there can be some issues. Waiters needs the ball in his hands and is not a great shooter. That will provide some issues because while you could easily give the ball to Waiters and let Irving play off ball because he’s a great shooter, the Cavs need for Irving to be running the show and tempo not Waiters just because he needs to create for himself. Waiters will be great when you need a guy to score and in transition will be great but I think he will struggle in half court sets. There will probably be a lot of stagnant play at times with those two. I’m not saying they are in the same stratosphere as LeBron and Wade but in terms of stylistically I think you will see Irving and Waiters have the same issues that Bron and Wade had especially at times their first year in Miami. 

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  • #691057
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    BothTeamsPlayedHard
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    It is an unfair comparison at the moment. The Wizards should be good, and should compete for a playoff spot. There are no more excuses for Wall. The idiots are gone. Now, he has Okafor, Nene, and Ariza. All of them have been contributors on winning teams. Beal was the third pick in the draft. Vesely, Seaphin, and Mack started playing better at the end of last season. Booker will run through a wall for the team. Crawford can get wild, but he can settle in as the primary scorer with the second unit and get away with it a bit more. Even if you like Dion Waiters, Cleveland is still bad. With Jamison likely gone, teams are going to be able to clog the lane by sagging off Varejao, Thompson, Zeller, Samuels, and Erden. Defensively, there is no reason to believe that they will get better next year.

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  • #691088
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    Pistol Pete. The Pelican
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     I’m going to give the edge to Washington. 

    1. If we’re going off of potential, I think Beal and Wall have more potential than Irving and Waiters, both individually and as a tandem. 

    2. Once John Wall cuts down the turnovers, what does Kyrie do better than him besides score? John Wall has been getting you 16,8, and 4, the only problem is the turnovers. He’ll also get you steals and some blocks. Kyrie Will be the better scorer but I don’t think he’ll ever be the passer John Wall is, he also isn’t as good of an athlete. 

    3. Dion Waiters, Attacks like D-Wade, hits the mid-range jumper like him but that’s it. He’s not the defender or  facilitator.  I think Beal will be a much better player. He can do all of those things and some. 

    4. As people have already said, Wall and Beal fit together better. 

     

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  • #691094
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    JrbenzCuse23

    John wall shot 3-42 from 3 last year..thats 7 percent..only thing beal does better than waiters is shoot 3’s, and he didn’t even do better than him last year…ill take cleveland’s backcourt

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  • #691102
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    lilballa141
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    As a tandem Wall and Beal could be better…and thats cuz im not really sold on Waiters.. Irving is better than wall and beal ….but waiters worse than all 3… all depends on how Dion turns out.. gotta watch em play before deciding who has the bests future… thats like miami saying not 1.. not 2 .. not 3…. you know the saying

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  • #691108
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    truwizfan4
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     I dont see why everyone thinks Kyle is a better player out of Wall all he does better is shoot. I rather Have wall   he more of a pure point guard he feels the stat sheet then a guy who can only drop  you 20 points a game.

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  • #691119
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    Cavaliers420
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     Obviously being that I’m a Cleveland fan I’m biased towards Irving and Waiters. Irving just came off an amazing ROY season and has shown that he can not only score the ball but he’s a great passer too. Given the lack of training camp and weapons around Kyrie last year I was surprised with what he was able to do in the first half of last years season by himself. Now given the fact that I believe Waiters is a pure scorer I think that will just add to the weapons around Kyrie and also give him the support that he so badly needs on the wing. AP didn’t cut it at all. All in all though the Cavaliers are still in rebuilding mode and a majority of their key pieces are still very young. I feel like given what the Wizards have at hand they’re a few years ahead of the Cavaliers. The Wizards backcourt will be a dominate force, Wall has been waiting for a sharpshooter of Beals potiential to come to his team that way he can finally rack up those assists he so badly craves. If Wall can learn to create his own shot more often and get to the rim more they could be one of the best backcourt duos we’ve seen in a long time. At the moment since I’ve only seen so little of Waiters ability to get to the rim I’m going to say the Wizards will be the better backcourt. Thats not to say things can’t change though, this is all hypothetical. Either way, two teams that needed improving are definitely getting upgrades at positions that need upgrading. As long as teams are improving, I’m happy. Go Cavs!

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  • #691121
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    Sewok15
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    Cleveland off the strength of Kyrie Irving…he is the one guy in that group that I would feel comfortable being the face of my franchise. John Wall has talent for days but his jump shot doesn’t seem to be improving much and neither is his team. I would take Beal over Waiters but not by the same margin I would take Kyrie over Wall. I am a Duke hater and was questioning how good Kyrie really was but after a great rookie year it looks like the Cavs are in pretty good shape going forward.

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  • #691136
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    UNCbasketballbum
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    Cleveland because of Kyrie.  Wall still has a long ways to go in terms of basketball skill, cleaning up his jumper and his decision making.  Kyrie is aleady so skilled, although he is a couple pegs down from Wall athletically, although still a very good athlete.  Kyrie is already on his way to being a star.

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  • #691150
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     Although I’m a little shaky on how Waiters and Kyrie can compliment eachother, Beal and Wall should have a seemingly easy fit together.  Regardless, I’d still give the edge to Cleveland due to the amount of star power Kyrie and Dion possess.

    Looking down the road, I’d say Kyrie easily has the edge on Wall, and in terms of upside Waiters has the edge on Beal.  With both teams in the East, I’d love to see these teams see eachother in the playoffs.  Funny how things have changed so drastically in the last few years.  Five years ago the Cavs did meet the Wizards in the playoffs but it was LeBron vs Gilbert/Caron Butler/Antawn Jameison and company.  Now both teams got massive maker overs and have new franchise pieces. 

    But yeah lol, I think the Cavs.  

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  • #691233
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    Stinky34
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    I give a slight edge to Wall and Beal just because I think Beal will be alot better then Waiters… Wall and Kyrie are a toss up… Both will be very good… I think Cleveland messed up by taking Waiters over Rivers… A Irving and Rivers backcourt would have been fun to watch…

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  • #691270
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    Entropy
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    Im pretty sure if you ask most people who they would take out of wall and Irving most would say Wall, he is the better player. Out of Beal and waiters, Beal is the better player .

    Wall and beal will complement each other better so the choice is fairly obvious to me. But things don’t always plan out as expected so we’ll see.

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