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The inevitable downfall(HGH in the NBA)

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The inevitable downfall(HGH in the NBA)

This article got me thinking:
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8521302/wada-director-general-says-nba...

This is rarely brought up in the NBA. But sooner or later I think it's going to hit our sport. There are many current athletes who have been suspected in the past (LeBron, Wade, D12, etc.). When do you think the truth starts to come out? Sooner or later the NBA is going to get hit hard with investigations. I think it's just a matter of time and when it happens, it's not going to end well with some big names. Thoughts?


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" (The NBA does) not feel

" (The NBA does) not feel they have such an issue as the other major leagues and therefore haven't addressed (doping) in quite the same way. "

i don't know if steroids would help in the NBA, but i have a friend who does 'roids and he was a BEAST in hs.

he's like a 6'3 SG/SF who was a freight train when driving it to the hoop. he DEF had an advantage because of 'roids.

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It doesn't take much to

It doesn't take much to dominate in high school, but when you look at football players playing against basketball players in college it's obvious who the football players are. They're way more buff and often less mobile.

I just don't see it being as beneficial as in other sports. When your arms are huge, it's going to screw up your shooting form. From there I can see posts using it, but....meh I don't want to think about the NBA being tainted when the talent level hasn't been this good in 20 years....

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i kinda agree with you in

i kinda agree with you in that basketball is a skill sport where hgh will only do so much. But dont fool yourself in to thinking along the lines of performancing enhancing drugs = buff. Lance armstrong is far from buff. NAd the two guys in the nba that have been caught using performancing enhancing drugs(oj mayo and rashard lewis) are far from buff banger tpes.

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There needs to be a line

There needs to be a line drawn on what goes too far. I take painkillers when I play ball so I don't have the nagging Ray Allen-like ankles when I run. I know what the effects are, but I want to play. It's not like I'm taking horse steroids that football players took in the 70s or 80s

If you do a lot of anything it's going to come back and de.stroy your body. With all the things that are being done these days to increase performance and durability, I wouldn't complain if HGH was legal.

Is HGH really that crazy when in baseball you can put a dead man's ligament into your arm and revive a career? What about a new ACL? And the procedure that Roy and Bryant have done? Cortisone shots? This list could go on for quite a while yet HGH is where the line is drawn and I'm not sure if that's correct.

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Also, I know that I just

Also, I know that I just associated HGH and the NBA together being "tainted" yet wouldn't complain if HGH was legal. I just think that hearing "performance enhancing" and immediately thinking "cheating! cheating!" isn't 100% right even I can't help but do it too. After all the procedures done these days, there need to be a line drawn like I previously posted.

I don't care if I get negged or ripped for thinking that, I just wouldn't mind a good conversation about this subject.

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"i kinda agree with you in

"i kinda agree with you in that basketball is a skill sport where hgh will only do so much. But dont fool yourself in to thinking along the lines of performancing enhancing drugs = buff"

exactly!!!... my friend is not buff and he has a ton of brute strength

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The benefit

Being super buff doesn't have tons of benefit in basketball compared to other sports, but doesn't it allow your body to heal and recover from injury quicker? That is an advantage.

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Exactly

That is why HGH is thought to be prominently used, for quick recovery of these guys pounding their bodies. I am not the most educated on this topic, but all I can say is I would not rule out the possibility like many others seem to. The ones that tend to rule it out probably know less about PED's (Performance Enhancing Drugs) than even I do. Let's face it, most sports have been effected by PED's in some way, athletes are bigger, faster and stronger, as much as I want to credit incredible developments in training, their is that distinct possibility something is up.

Had a friend who played some pro basketball and was intent on getting to the NBA. His claim was, just about everyone was using some sort of PED. Was always skeptical about him saying that, but I can't rule it out. All I know is, some of the best and most decorated athletes out there use them. This is something that puzzles me, I truly dislike the adverse effects PED's have and of course their is the ethics factor, not to mention the athletes that do not use this type of performance aid. Still, my guess is this problem exists, it is rampant.

Could I see basketball go through something similar to baseball? I sincerely hope not, but will not rule it out. Think that the bottom could fall out eventually. The problem will be, who do we honestly believe will be innocent? If their is an issue with PED's, I am guessing that not only the major stars will be guilty of doing them. Think it will be a thing where the guilty more than likely out weigh the innocent. Would love to get to the bottom of this and my ultimate hope is that it would be a non-issue, but I have always had a sinking feeling in my stomach that PED's are as much of an issue in basketball as most other sports. The question is, what if anything, can we do to stop it or do they really want to?

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I am sure players are using

HGH or testosterone to recover. I actually believe they should be able to.

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The problem with making PEDs

The problem with making PEDs legal is that it pretty much forces every player to use it to succeed if they want to compete on a level playing field. If everyone is using it or no one is using it you still have an even playing field, so you might as well stop people using to to avoid the negative side effects associated with overuse etc.

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I'm sure it is completely

I'm sure it is completely common at every level in which there isn't heavy testing and as far as I know there doesn't seem to be heavy testing at the NBA level. Do you think guys like Reggie Evans haven't thought about taking steroids to pack on muscle to allow him to play Center at 6' 8"? Is Reggie Evans playing a skill position? All that guy wants is more muscle.

I'm sure you can add several inches to your vertical leap with steroids. Sprinters have taken them to increase their speed and they have been caught in the Olympics and other places. Basketball is a "skill" sport but you can also never have too much speed. The incentives are too strong and the risks of getting caught too low. I'm sure lots of guys are doing PED.

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Who cares. It's there bodies and it's not

The fight game. HGH is not killing dudes and neither is Test so who cares. Basketball is a skilled sport right? So you all been saying so it won't help you J or IQ. It will help D Rose be 100% when he comes back and I bet Brandon Roy is on the sh!t now too. Side effects are overblown on some of those things and I know for a fact. Roids yes but some of this other sh!t is good for you. Believe me.

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Does anybody know what

Does anybody know what steroids Rashard Lewis and OJ Mayo were caught using?

I remember Lewis trying to manipulate people talking about "Look at how skinny I am..." BS dude... We all that you were injured and trying to speed up healing and get back to the player that was relevant. We all know it's not just about being big or buff.

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here's my issue with allowing

here's my issue with allowing it as was kinda mentioned already by somebody.

if you allow steroids, then you are basically telling all athletes in that sport that to be on a level playing field, they need to take steroids. Of course steroids wont turn average ballers into stars or anything, but if it provides an advantage, which it obviously does otehrwise no one would do it, then all athletes would feel the need to use if they wanted to not be getting cheated. ANd thats not just pros. Thats not just college. Thats highschool. I saw first hand kids at my highschool using steroids when the whole mcgwire/sosa steroid alegations came out. ANd you are absolutely encouraging all of them to do it if you allow the pros to do it. Many of these kids, realistically or not, believe they can get to the nba one day and if they know the elites are using, they will to. Now if there are any harmful side effects to steroids, you cant encourage it imo. Whats wrong with being human and dealing with injuries and getting in shape the old fashioned way?

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Yeah, you can't allow this

Yeah, you can't allow this stuff or everyone has to take it. The NBA has its head stuck in the ground trying to ignore this stuff. Testing should be as tough and as common as it possibly can be, otherwise everyone has to take it to compete with the guys who don't care about the side effects or the long term health risks.

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