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If Rondo has made any

If Rondo has made any improvements on his shot whatsoever, that only speaks to just how horrendous a shooter he is. He is literally zero threat from down town. None, not even a little bit of threat. And Paul and Williams step up their games in the playoffs too. If you don't think either of them would make the Celtics better if they switched places with Rondo than you are delusional.

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Rondo

Sorry that he can't help the fact that he has veterens around him that allow him to showcase his amazing passing ability. The dude set records for assists at Oak Hill....

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I never said he wasn't a good

I never said he wasn't a good passer or good player. I'm just maintaining that Paul and Williams are better and that it isn't really close.

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Rondo is the Best Passer in the NBA

Nash is 2nd and Paul is 3rd...Williams is more of a scorer, I'd place him in catorgory with Billups although D Will is forced to pass by Sloane...If D.Will was on another team he'd be a 25 and 7 guy...Paul has to pass because of his size, he's like Allen Iverson was but with decent team mates...If he was on a team with less options, He'd be a 25+ 8 guy...

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im with imyourfather, rondo

im with imyourfather, rondo is great but he is not better as a player or point guard than deron williams or chris paul. and rondo isnt a better passer than williams, paul or nash. thats not a knock. his numbers are inflated by the talent he plays with. he is still a great player. he couldnt carry a team tho. he needs scorers around him because he will never be that kind of player.

and chris paul is like allen iverson? are u serious scarecrow. a statement like that makes me question wheter you have watched either guy play. that was a flat out dumb statement.

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By the logic that Rondo only

By the logic that Rondo only looks good because he plays with good players then Magic Johnson is not as talented because he had Kareem and James Worthy to pass too. Maybe just maybe Rondo is very skilled player and the fact that he has talented players on his team obvioulsy helps but does not demean his skilll level or ability or make him any less of a player. Also maybe Rondo makes his aging all stars on his team look much better then they are and is just a great player off too an outstanding start. Rondo does his job to the best of his ability and I hate the Celtics because I am a Lakers fan but playing with good players does not make you any less of a talented basketball player. I guess Rondo should demand a trade to the Raptors and try to to do everything by himself on a struggling franchise before his skills are recognized.

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Seriously Jordan had two Top 50 All Time Players

And Hall of Fame Coach...Kobe had Shaq and the greatest role players ever in Fisher and Horry, not to mention The Mailman and Glove tryed to steal a ring too...Now Kobe's got Pau and Odom(All star Forwards),Artest and Bynum(Fringe All Star's) and The Best bench and role players in the NBA(Barnes,Fisher,Blake,Brown,Ratliff)

Rondo is THE BEST PASSER IN THE NBA>>>Period...Nash is the 2nd, Paul is the Third...Some would put Wall in that list too...Once the Gun sounds and the season starts players are playing with a clean slate, so what a player's done means nothing today...Today Rondo is best passer in the NBA...The Stats don't lie my man, fans do....

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"He is literally zero threat

"He is literally zero threat from down town"

Sense when has being a good basketball player meant being a good three point shooter? Rondo does everything you could want from a player, and at a elevated level. He can lead the team in rebounding, SCORING, assists, steals, and any other category that you can think of. Look at his stat line tonight. Insane

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im not saying playing with

im not saying playing with great players makes him better, im saying it helps his numbers. i mean even the little scoring he does get is helped by defenders not leaving pierce, allen or garnett. he is a great player and point guard. he just isnt a better player than williams or paul. thats my only argument.

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straight up

the whole better teamates thing is bull&$#%#&@!, rondo gets layups for people with his great passing. pierce doesn't help his assists, he takes away from them by going one on one all the time.

i think chris paul is the best, but rondo is the best passer, defender, and rebounder so i would put him second.

deron is a better scorer but rondo just has more impact on games. their team does so much better when he has the ball in his hands.

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Well personally I think

Well personally I think rebounds from the pg position are overrated, I'd rather have them get back on D. But, I agree that Rondo is good at all those things, I'm not saying he sucks. I think he's anywhere from the 3rd to the 5th best point guard in the league. But Deron Williams are good at all those things (sans rebounding), but they are also much better shooters.

Where are people getting the idea that Williams is a scoring guard. He has averaged more assists than Rondo every year of his career. He is a better shooter and has better offensive instincts than Rondo, while being equally as good at passing, if not better. He is by no means not a pure point guard.

And no scarecrow stats don't lie, but they can be highly misleading when you are looking at a tiny sample size. I can almost guarantee you that I can go back and find a 7 game stretch in Deron Williams's career where he's averaged 14+ assists. If you want to use assists to determine who's the best passer, then why not look at all the years where Williams has averaged more.

Both CP3 and Dwill can do almost everything Rondo does equally as well if not better and they are also deadly from 3-point range.

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straight up

i honestly dont know who the better player is, im just giving my opinion, but rondo is the better passer, i dont really see how you can argue deron is a better passer, just watch some celtic games.

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Rondo is a great passer for

Rondo is a great passer for sure, but I don't see how you can say he's better than Williams. Just like Rondo Williams makes everyone around him better and racks up a ton of assists. If there is a difference in passing it is negligible.

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the great thing

about rondo is he can dominate a game without scoring

thats amazing now adays where scoring is what gets you attention

rondo would not have beeen this good without the big three pushing him in pracices and games the last few years

but dont get it twisted CP3 is the best pg on the game today

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@Scarecrow; you made a

@Scarecrow; you made a comment on the last page about Paul being a scoring PG. Sorry dude, I love Rondo (favourite player), but Paul is a better PG, and while he CAN score, he doesn't look for it, just takes what the D gives him, hardly makes him a scoring PG like Rose.

I'd still put Rondo above Deron Williams as of right now, but Paul is in a league of his own as far as PGs go. Yes, Rondo is doing amazing things with my Celtics, but Paul led an overmatched team to victory against the Miami Heat through sheer force of will and leadership.

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That's precisely my point.

That's precisely my point. Paul and Williams can both dominate games without scoring too. They don't often do it because their teams need them to score. But that doesn't mean they can't.

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1. CP3 career number 19. and

1. CP3 career number 19. and 10

2. D Will 17. and 9

CP3 is a pg and so is D will some people knock him cause he is big but if you watched him or CP3 play and understand the art of passing they can straight up pass the rock. numbers don't lie.

Rondo may be a better passer than D Will or CP3 def not Nash, but don't say these cats are not true PG.

That leave questions about what game you watch.

these cats are great passer that can get buckets and dominate a game.

I live in Boston and love Rondo but in no way has he passed the best two in the game.

Maybe 3rd def top 5

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Rondo is breaking records

Rondo is breaking records while being on a franchise rich in tradition. If the ballots had to be counted today Rondo would be closer to making the hall of fame than any of those trendy point guards being mentioned.

Paul-Rondo has proved to be more durable.

Williams-NBA's Donovan McNab, it's hard to trust over weight players in sports.

Rose- Freak of Nature, but Rondo understands the game better.

Steve Nash- Has proven himself/style to be ineffective. Most playoff games ever without a finals appearance.

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Are you kidding me? Nash

Are you kidding me? Nash ineffective? If you put Rondo on the Suns do you think they get to the Finals? &$#%#&@! no. Conference finals? &$#%#&@! no. Rondo couldn't beat the Lakers last year with a much better team, so you can't put any blame on Nash, they still forced 6 games too. The only reason Rondo has sniffed a finals is because the team around him, and it was much easier to improve. If he had started out on another team he is nowhere near this good.

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Yup Yup don't take him

Yup Yup don't take him seriously, he also said that Deron Williams was fat and injury prone. Now he will undoubtedly say something about how I stalk him.

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Yeah, his posts are a joke.

Yeah, his posts are a joke. Anyways, how is preparing to be Darko going? Must be tough work.

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It's going to be difficult

It's going to be difficult for sure. I've been trying to get into character by dominating all facets of life. I've even bribed my way into going second overall in the intramural basketball draft. Of course I will guide my team to a championship in my first season.

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Rondo is the Best Pg in The

Rondo is the Best Pg in The NBA...Key Word Point Guard...Not guy that starts at Pg and takes more and more shots as the year goes on...Paul and DWill are scoring Pg's and that's great, they get the 10 assist games frenquent enough to earn that respect as Best Pg's in The NBA, but as far as Pure play making, pass first Pg's Rondo is in a class of his own...It's not even close...Rondo is the best passer in the last 20 years...Not since Stockon and Magic has a PG been able to effect the game and make teammates better...Rondo is under rated...

Paul had Peja for 3's, West for mid range jumpers and Chandler for easy alley oops...he still ahs West and Shooters to get those easy Assists...

Paul and Deron Williams are better scorers and bigger names...But Rondo is flat out the Best PG...Leading the league in assist counts as a big point to tip the scales in Rondo's favor

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I can't believe you're serious; Rondo the best passer in the last 20 years? Maybe if he plays like he has so far this season over the next 5 seasons we will be able to say that but right now Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, CP3, Deron Williams and John Stockton (yep Stockton led the league in assists 6 times over the last 20 years so he fits in that category too) all have him beat.
Paul and DWill are scoring Pg's? Why because they can score? They can also pass and so far over their careers they've both been better passers than Rondo. Do you also consider Magic Johnson and Isaiah Thomas scoring PGs because they averaged over 19 PPG for their careers?

He still has West and Shooter to get those “easy assists”? LOL, yep I mean Paul is just surrounded with great shooters like Bellinelli, Thornton and Ariza it’s almost unfair. I mean if he had to work with mediocre talent like Ray Allen and Paul Pierce he would be doing far less than Rondo…

Leading the league in assists counts as big point to tip the scales in Rondo’s favor? We are 8 games into the year! Do you also consider Monta Ellis the best offensive player in the league because so far he’s leading the league in scoring? So far in his career the closest Rondo has come to averaging 10 assists per game over a season was last year when he had 9.8. CP3 and Williams have averaged more than 10 APG over a season three times apiece.

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ItsDwighHoward knows what's

ItsDwighHoward knows what's up.

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Rondo has become one of the

Rondo has become one of the best all round PG's in the NBA with a top defensive game and now an equally effective offensive game. I would put him in that 2nd batch behind CP and Deron with Nash, Rose, Billups etc. He does help having so many scorers on his team but a good PG will provide assists that's what he's there for, maybe not enough credit was given to him when Boston won their title but Derek Fisher whilst a great pro is hardly the greatest PG in the NBA and a title is a team effort.

If Rondo lead the Celtics to another title in the next few years then that does put him at the elite level if he was the best player on that team.

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and its not even like we are

and its not even like we are saying rondo is horrible, we are giving him his due as a top5 pg in the league. and as far as rondos defense i think its overrated. rose averaged like 30ppg in that playoff series a few years ago, so he isnt that great, he just gambles and gets steals.

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and its not even like we are

and its not even like we are saying rondo is horrible, we are giving him his due as a top5 pg in the league. and as far as rondos defense i think its overrated. rose averaged like 30ppg in that playoff series a few years ago, so he isnt that great, he just gambles and gets steals.

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I think most people are

I think most people are hating on Rondo really. The guy is doing work for his team and CARRIED his team the last two postseasons with his pedestrian, yet efficient scoring. How many players can do that in the NBA? To say the guy wouldn't be good without good team mates is an insult to his ability; Morover, how can we even judge him and say he wouldn't be good without good team mates when we've never actually seen him play without good players? That is an irellevant point. When people talk about championship teams, why does there have to be one player carring a team? Since when has one great player won a championship for a team, moreover, at the point guard position? A great PG needs great talent around him to win a championship. It's not like the Celtics' big three are in their prime. People make a big deal that these guys are future HoF, but how much does that matter now when all of them are past their prime, especially KG, who can't even make a wide open dunk 90% of the time? These guys would be struggling without Rondo right now, and that cannot be understated. I don't understand how that is overrated. The guy basically is carring his team right now, but obviously, scoring is more valued on this forum over Ast/TO ratio, rebounding, and defense for the PG position.

It's offical: Rondo and Monta Ellis are the most hated players on this forum.

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Stats and Highlights clouding people's mind

Name me a coach/teammate that wouldn't want Rondo on their team...I guess leading the Championship contending Celtics and NBA in assist makes you top 5, but putting up stats in NOLA and UTAH( 2 teams that will never be a real contender to the Lakers) is the end all be all in the Debate...Rondo has a Ring and would have gotten one last while winning Finals MVP if the Team had their legs under them last year...

Can we agree The Celtics are the Team to beat in the East and will probally be in the Finals with Rondo being the best player...How are Paul and Williams better than him...They'll never lead their teams to a Finals...not without jumping ship for some super Team *cough* Chris Paul *cough*

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If they don't lead their

If they don't lead their teams to the finals it won't be because Rondo's better. It will be because the Celtics are a lot better than either the Jazz or the Hornets. Do you honestly not think Paul or Williams could perform as well on the celtics?

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I'd go: Paul, Rondo,

I'd go: Paul, Rondo, Williams, Nash, Westbrook

I like Rose, but he's just out there. I'll ask: What if Russell Westbrook was on a team where he was an number one guy? Could he put up similar (if not better) numbers compared to Rose?

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