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I'm not trying to hate, but

I'm not trying to hate, but am i the only one who thinks NBA analysts and and everyone else is hyping Rondo like he plays for the Cowboys? (No, Romo is not a top 3 quarterback behind Manning and Brady. And they've won 1 playoff game in the last 15 years stop picking them as Superbowl champs EVERY preseason.)

I realize the international game is different but there was a reason he was gonna be cut before he bowed out.

I think he is a really good defender but i think every part of his game is exaggerated because of the team he plays for including his defense. being a really good defender and having great team defense behind him makes him great.

His jumpshot is broke. I'm not 100% he beats both O'Neals in a game of h.o.r.s.e.

He plays with 2 of the all-time great NBA shooters along with KG and Big Baby who are also both good beyond 18ft and have better midrange than most teams guards. All he has to do is get a help defender by slashing and watch his team hit open jays all day or take it to the rim knowing everyone is too scared to leave their man. Add that his team is most all aging veterans that have slowed some and I'm sure that Rivers would rather them conserve energy than try and create their own shot. thats just the perfect storm for his talents.

Don't get me wrong he is a good point, but i doubt he'd be in top 3 discussions if he played for countless other franchises.


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yeah id say you are hating.

yeah id say you are hating. rondo belongs in the talk. other than shooting can you really pick out a weakness for this guy?

he plays with some all time greats but they arenty in there prime which some forget to remeber. that excuse has been beatin like a dead horse by haters who dont wanna give this guy credit, hes a very good defender and hes a great passer no matter who hes playing with. he has great vision and the hall of fame thing is just a excuse. kg isnt the old kg ray allen isnt the old ray allen. they are still good but they arent allstars anymore. paul p is a all star.

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Disagree. He's a superstar

Disagree. He's a superstar and he's to me at this point a top 13 player in the NBA. For what he doesn't do well (shoot), he can do everything else very well PLUS he's at a nice contract.

For NFL, Romo is overrated by Peyton Manning is not? Come on now. First off, he cost his team the superbowl vs New Orleans. Second, his playoff record? Not that great. I don't know the exact record but he lost to NYJ, SD, NE, PIT tons of times. Let's be real.

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I agree

I think as of right now, CP3 and DWill are on a separate level from Derrick Rose and Rondo. I think DRose and Rondo are all the 2nd level of point guards. Honestly though. i'm kinda sad DRose turned out to be the way he is... I wanted him to become a 20 and 10 guy but it seems more and more likely that hes more like a 25 and 7 guy and not a pure point guard... Hey it might change when Boozer comes back but as of now... he seems more and more like a scorer. And Rondo has sick passes but the reason why he isn't with Paul and Williams is that he can't carry the scoring load for his team when they need him too. Maybe John Wall will be the next 20 and 10 guy hes already done it a few times lol

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There are some nights when

There are some nights when Rondo does play like he's the best point guard in the league..

He's not a franchise type of player..He does better when he's surrounded by other good players..For everyone that says he's better than CP3 ,Rose or D-Will..All 3 of those guys were considered to be their team's point guard for the next decade.You couldnt say that after Rondo's 1st year..People were saying the Celtics needed another point guard to be a championship team..But he proved them wrong ,he's worked to improve his game ..Now he might be the Celtics best player....

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Rose is averaging 25 and 10

Rose is averaging 25 and 10 right now. I don't see why he can't be a 20 and 10 player.

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Well

I think hes close to 10 right now because of the couple of the recent games where he got like 14 and 15... i think outside of that hes been close to 6,7 ish most of the season. Of course he might become a 20 and 10 guy but as of now I think those 2 games are more outliers

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Manning is the GOAT as far as QB's are concerned...

Rondo is the Best Pg in The NBA...Key Word Point Guard...Not guy that starts at Pg and takes more and more shots as the year goes on...Paul and DWill are scoring Pg's and that's great, they get the 10 assist games frenquent enough to earn that respect as Best Pg's in The NBA, but as far as Pure play making, pass first Pg's Rondo is in a class of his own...It's not even close...Rondo is the best passer in the last 20 years...Not since Stockon and Magic has a PG been able to effect the game and make teammates better...Rondo is under rated...

And The Manning losing in Playoff's statements...He lost in a SuperBowl and a few AFC Championship games to eventually Super bowl winners ...Stop that ...Romo is over rated and hated in Dallas...Check your facts...My friend is a die hard Cowboy fan and he hates Romo with a passion...Never said once he's a top 3 QB...

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Point guards aren't suppose

Point guards aren't suppose to score, their job is to get their teammates involved and run the offense. To me Rondo is doing his job at a pretty high level.

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Mr. Knick

Agree about Peyton. He has had his team built around his talents his whole career. Brady kicks his ass!:)

But there is no way Rondo is top 20. Period. Sorry:) He is a great player, one of the best defenders, but his distribution game is just above avg, and a product of a great team concept in beantown. Put any other good PG there and he will be great.

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I don't think just because

I don't think just because CP3 and DWill score automatically makes them scoring pgs. I personally think that they are pure point guards who can also score and i'm sure if they were on celtics, they would put up more assists and less points

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You couldnt pick a better PG

You couldnt pick a better PG for this celtics team though. He is the definition of a true pass first pg. He might not be as good an overall player as cp3 and williams but if Im building a team right now Im taking him at point and getting scorers at the other middle three positions and thats what the celtics and the lakers have done the last three years.

Name the last first scoring option at point to win a ring... Maybe you could argue Billups but they had a #1a,b,c thing going there. It just doesnt happen. Yeah his jumper is hideous but he does have a ring and fits the mold of most championship pgs: defense and be a playmaker first. Im by no means a Celtics fan...I really hate kg and pierce but i love what rondo brings.

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Name the last first scoring

Name the last first scoring option at point to win a ring... Maybe you could argue Billups but they had a #1a,b,c thing going there. It just doesnt happen. Yeah his jumper is hideous but he does have a ring and fits the mold of most championship pgs: defense and be a playmaker first. Im by no means a Celtics fan...I really hate kg and pierce but i love what rondo brings.

I been saying that for years.

Also, Scarecrow: Peyton Manning has lost in the first round in the playoffs a couple times. He's not the GOAT to me.

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Mr.Knick, i'm guessing being

Mr.Knick, i'm guessing being a knicks fan u don't know about defense and ball control, but thats what wins in the playoffs. colts teams have always been too undersized on D and without much of a running game since Edgerrin James left. And r we really comparing Peyton and Romo in the playoffs? You gotta get there. Manning's team gets regardless of who is playing receiver or any other position on the field.

Rondo is a very good defender and passer, I'm just saying his team compliments what he does perfectly and on another team he wouldn't be looked at the same because of the skills he lacks. R u telling me he puts up around 15 assists no matter what team he plays for?

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and gotta love rondo's

and gotta love rondo's flashiness from his signature ball fake and all the passes lol. I too hate KG and pierce... ones a thug wannabe and the other is a fake injury &$#%#&@! but they are both good lolol

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^^look at this dude hes got

^^look at this dude hes got one nostril, wtf?

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Mr.Knick, i'm guessing being

Mr.Knick, i'm guessing being a knicks fan u don't know about defense and ball control, but thats what wins in the playoffs. colts teams have always been too undersized on D and without much of a running game since Edgerrin James left. And r we really comparing Peyton and Romo in the playoffs? You gotta get there. Manning's team gets regardless of who is playing receiver or any other position on the field.

Can everyone get off my balls for being a Knicks fan? Really....it's old.

I'm not comparing Romo and Manning. I know about defense and ball control. Manning's has had dozen of weapons around him and he still loses. The Colts have tons of defensive players on that roster who are good. The issue is they were seen as favorites dozens of times. Even with Edge, they weren't winning titles. The Pats didn't have a good run game yet dominated the clock when they played Indy. If the Colts had the better RB, why couldn't they dominate the clock? Alright, you been a undersized (Yet faster) defense. Why aren't you blitzing then? All I can say is go watch those old games, Manning did well against teams who he knew he could beat ( Balitmore and Denver) and could never win a big game on the road in the playoffs.

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Of course he needs teamates...

But would Paul and Williams get 10 assist without the scorers they've had on their teams...

Paul had Peja for 3's, West for mid range jumpers and Chandler for easy alley oops...he still ahs West and Shooters to get those easy Assists...

Deron has Jeferson,Millsap and shooters...He also had an All Star Pf in Boozer and 3 point shooting Center in Okur...They've both had good teammates to kick it out too...

You put any good player on a bad team and they'll lose something to their game that makes them special...

Mr Knick if Peyton isn't the GOAT than who is...please don't say Montana( you've never seen him play)

Don't say Steve Young or Tom Brady because they'd tell you how lucky they were to land in San Fran (Jerry Rice,Ricky Waters and TO made it easy for Young, and NE's offense makes Brady look great...)

I know for a fact that Peyton will go down as the Greatest QB ever...Hater's can hate all they want...I'm drinking the Gatorade fellas

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Based on the numbers and what

Based on the numbers and what I seen, Joe Montana is the goat.

Brady fell into New England and hasn't had a superstar WR in his career other then Moss. His running backs were like Kevin Faulk and Corey DIllion for a season.

Steve Young was still a accurate passer. Young had Rice and Waters and TO for a couple seasons, but that was really it.

Manning had...oh let's see. Edge James, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokley, Dominic Rhodes, Austin Collie, Pierre Garcon, Dallas Clark among others. Let's not act like he had NOTHING.

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you can't say Paul and

you can't say Paul and Williams benefit more from their teammates than Rondo... That my friend is not an argument. No doubt Rondo has it easier with his 3 potential hall of famers. I love Rondo and i too think hes one of the most exciting playmakers in the NBA but hes still got it easy

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Have you ever made a full court bounce pass to a cutting Teammat

or break down entire defenses and find an open man with only a micro second to make the play, saying he has it easy is a disrespectful statement to make about a top 3 PG...He'd be # 1 if we were'nt force fed the Paul/Williams debate every day for 3 years...Rose and Westbrook are now taking away the spotlight from the BEST PASSER in the NBA ...Rondo is in a class of his own...

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Slow down Scarecrow, Rondo is

Slow down Scarecrow, Rondo is better then D-Will but not CP3.

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Rondo is not better than

Rondo is not better than Deron Williams.

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"Them rings and things you

"Them rings and things you sing about bring 'em out"

Rondo is the only pg in the convo that has any real jewelry! And oh yeah he leads the NBA in assists.

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dude... i'm not saying its

dude... i'm not saying its easy to be an NBA pg... wth? he just has it easier than Chris Paul and Deron Williams. Of course I won't be able to do what Rondo is doing!! lol

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Oh yeah and the "reason"

Oh yeah and the "reason" Rondo got cut is the fact that they like Steph Curry's complexion.

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Rondo is not better than D

Rondo is not better than D will or CP3 and Tom Brady was better than Peyton manning

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People don't want to give the dude credit

No he is not better than D Will....

IMO

1. Paul

2. D Will

3. Still Nash

Then Rose and Rondo

The dude is def a top 5 PG.... J Kidd could't shoot for years and was considered the best by some for a min.

Yes he plays with hall of famers, old hall of Famers. Since when is it a knock on a dude to play on a good team.

Yeah he gets dimes because he has shooters to pass to. It takes skills to get those passes there.

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For everyone who says Rondo

For everyone who says Rondo feeds off the Big Three, did you even watch the Bulls series a couple years ago? The guy was a complete animal out there and controlled every aspect of the game that a single player could. He even put up 20+ points four times that series. All that was done with Big Baby starting instead of KG too.

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Jason Kidd is a Hall of Famer...

That's who I see Rondo following...A walking triple double that leads the League in Assist while being the only top 5 caliber Pg on a real Championship contender...And he's got a ring and was the Finals MVP last year if the Celtics win Game 7...what are you guys missing...Stats don't mean shyt...He's a leader and will be the best passer of this ERA...If he isn't already...Guys that can score at the PG spot are great, but he's proved he can be an MVP with little to no offensive fire power...

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ya, if you want to pick on a

ya, if you want to pick on a scoring pg pick on rose. he should be getting more than his career avg of like 6 per game. but rondo is not a better point guard then williams or paul. he also isnt better than nash offensively. also, you cant argue cp3 throwing lobs to people and having guys make shots, i mean are you serious? cp3 made chandler better, he makes everyone better. same for nash and same for d will. rondo is a similar passer to all of them but is passing to the greatest 3 point shooter of all time, a top 5 or 10 pf of all time, and the 3rd leading scorer in celtics history(not a horrible history either) in pierce. but im not even gonna make that an excuse anymore for rondo. i used to use that against him. rondo is a hell of a point guard but not better than williams or cp3. and even though both score alot, they both average more assists than rondo is recent years.

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ton of PGs right now

CP3, D-Will, Rose, Rondo, Nash etc are all amazing players and it IS NOT worth arguing over who is better cuz there is no defined answer. I would say CP3 but if someone else argued for another one of those dudes I wouldn't have a problem with that in any way. Complete toss-up

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Rondo is the Best PG in The NBA...

Paul and Deron Williams are better scorers and bigger names...But Rondo is flat out the Best PG...Leading the league in assist counts as a big point to tip the scales in Rondo's favor...Top 5 Pg's are

1.Rondo

2.Paul

3.D Will

4.Rose

5.Wall

6.Westbrook

7.Nash

8.Kidd

9.Billups

10.Steph Curry soon to be Jrue Holiday...

And Rose and Wall will leap frog over Paul and Williams very soon...Wall is a rookie and even I can admit I never saw this coming this early but he's been flat out amazing...He's having a bigger Impact than Westbrook as a PG...Stat's don't mean shyt...

Nash,Kidd and Billups are all aging Vets and still in my top 10 Pg's list but C'mon, there is a huge gap from top to bottom...Curry and Holiday will join this top 10 debate very soon...

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Rondo is a great pg, and does

Rondo is a great pg, and does what his team needs and more. Kenny Smith had a segment on inside the NBA about how he views the pg's in the league. He isn't asked to do what CP3 and DWill have to do just to compete every night. He is the facilitator, not the offense. He could score more if needed (14-17 maybe), and in a few years he will have to, not now. And hindsight being 20/20, i would put rondo on that team instead of curry and would have gotten some much needed production by running the offense like C.Bill did ,and setting the defense. Those things are the main jobs of a pg, the stats aren't that important.

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rondo is not a better point

rondo is not a better point guard than williams, paul, or nash. it has nothing to do with names, teams, or numbers. they just make their teams alot better. rondo is close and is a true point guard but he isnt better. you put either player on boston(nash, cp3, williams) they get the same assists but more points. i mean nash is passing to robin lopez, hakim warrick, and josh childress. williams is passing to al jefferson, paul millsap, and raja bell. cp3 is passing to emeka okafor, david west, and marco bellinelli. rondo is passing to shaq, kg, pierce, and ray allen. i mean it isnt rocket science. rondo is passing to 4 future hall of famers. not taking away from his skill but you have to guess passing to 4 future hall of famer is worth 2 or 3 more assist per game, especially compared to who the other guys are passing to.

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I'm sorry, I didn't even

I'm sorry, I didn't even bother to read the rest of this after I read Mr. Knick say Peyton Manning is overrated.

Peyton = best QB of all time. "C'mon, man!"

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I don't think that's

I don't think that's fair.

Steve Nash pre-Suns had 3 seasons in a row where he averaged 7 assists a game. He had Dirk and Finley with him (both 20 point scorers) then goes to the Suns and has Shawn Marion, Amar'e Stoudemire and Joe Johnson/Boris Diaw combo and goes up to 11 and he's better?

My top 5 ( I wrote a article about this, comes out tomorrow)

Paul, Rondo, Williams, Rose, Westbrook.

Steve Nash is 6th. He's a terrible defensive player and I rather have the other 3 for a season over Nash for a season. He's pretty much Rondo without defense.

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I'll say it again, Rondo is

I'll say it again, Rondo is not better than Deron Williams. I feel pretty confident that the Celtics would be better if they had Williams instead of Rondo and I'm equally as confident that the Jazz would be worse if they had Rondo instead.

Also it is stupid to base rankings off of 6 or 7 games. A player can play the best 6 games of his life like Rondo, and now he is the best player at his position? Williams is averaging 20 and 9 right now, and I'd be willing to bet that his assists get back up into the 10-11 range.

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I've been saying Rondo was

I've been saying Rondo was the best PG in the East for about a year now.

Rondo is a better passer and defender then Williams. All Williams has is scoring over Rondo IMO.

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Rondo is a great passer but

Rondo is a great passer but there are other aspects of the game that he lacks in. For one, he can't carry a team offensively when asked to unlike CP3 and DWill and two he can't shoot. I don't think the his lack of shooting hurts him thattt much but as the last finals showed, it can be a hindrance to Boston. If Dwill and CP3 were on Boston, the Lakers don't completely disregard the point guard and Celtics win. I think Rondo is an amazing point guard but as of now, hes on the 2nd level of point guards along with lots of other good players

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im not taking defense into

im not taking defense into account. i know its part of the game but im not counting it because most people are basing this off of assist numbers. no doubt rondo is a better defender than nash, rose, williams but since we are talking passing, rondo isnt the best. top 5 yes but not number 1.

every point guard is asked to do something. sure rondo could score 15ppg, and nash could get 25 but he isnt asked to do that. cp3 will sometimes have 30 points and only like 7 assists, not because he is a scoring point guard but because thats what he HAD to be to try and win that game. i wish rondo didnt have allen, pierce and kg so we could make this argument better. i mean he would still get 10apg but would be more of a jkidd(now) kind of player. he might even score more but that percentage would go down. or lets just say rondo wouldnt have the hornets undefeated like paul does.

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Steve Nash is 6th. He's a

Steve Nash is 6th. He's a terrible defensive player and I rather have the other 3 for a season over Nash for a season. He's pretty much Rondo without defense.

Except that Nash is one the greatest shooters ever and Rondo is one of the worst shooting players in the NBA. While Nash is still a better passer, who makes his teammates better instead of benefitting from them.

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Well first of all, I don't

Well first of all, I don't really think Rondo is a better passer than Williams. Also there is a huge difference between their offensive abilities, and at best a minute difference between their passing ability. Rondo is a better defender, but he is also a much worse shooter.

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Let me ask this. No BS:

Let me ask this.

No BS: Who's the best PLAYER ( not rebounder, passer or none of that BS) on the Boston Celtics

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Rondo.

Rondo.

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Rondo!! but he still benefits

Rondo!! but he still benefits from the other guys!!

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You can nit pick his game and

You can nit pick his game and say he doesn't have a good jumper, which is true, but he shoots 50% from the feild and rarely shoots shots that hurt his team. His high Bball IQ and knack for finding the open man, allow him to be an effective player without a Steve Nash or Chris Paul like jumper. Sure you'd like that option out of your point guard, but Rondo knows more than anyone that he should make the pass rather than shoot a contested 18 footer. He takes it when he's wide open and makes em at a pretty decent clip, just not a guy you want shooting with a hand in his face or when a teammate is open.

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You still haven't explained

You still haven't explained how Rondo is a better passer than Williams, it seems like you are basing that off of assists per game this year. Well let me cue you into a little secret, Rondo has never averaged more assists than Williams, aside from the very beginning of this year.

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WOW scarecrow. Chandler,

WOW scarecrow. Chandler, West, Peja or Millsap, Jefferson, Okur =KG, Pierce, Allen... I dont think so.

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Um you realize Steve Nash won

Um you realize Steve Nash won the mvp with 19, and 11 with Amare Stoudemire playing 3 games, ands Joe Johnson already traded.

Hes proven he is not made better by players, he makes players better.

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I'll take Rondo any day of

I'll take Rondo any day of the week. For the people who say he can't carry a team, did you forget the playoff? When Rondo put Boston on his back. KG was looking like 50, Ray couldn't make a shot or he make one miss two, and Paul was gassing out, Rondo was putting in some serious work. Why do people knock Rondo because he plays with HOF talent? We all know his shooting is suspect, but that is not his strength, however his shooting not on par with CP or DWill, you can see the improvement he has made. Would you say Phil Jackson is a sub-par coach because he always coaches superstars/HOF's? No! Some people will make try to make that argument, and I hate Phil Jackson, but at the end of the day he has the hardware. I love to watch CP and DWill, but Rondo turns it up to 11 when the postseason starts.

To me it's not that Rondo can't constantly score, it's that he doesn't have to. I think people tend to knock him or keep out of the elite discussion because his offensive numbers is not gouty.

By the way, Wall is not in the discussion not yet, can at least half the season play out before he gets GOAT status.

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