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I'm just frustrated at how people look at Toronto as a joke

I recently read an article posted up by RudeBoy on Demar Derozan... I like how people are taking notice his improvements in his repertoire and his basketball skills overall... Some people give him love, some people just shrug him off... One of the posts I've read there was "no one talks about him because his team loses and he plays in canada"...

I was kinda disappointed with that statement because it never makes any sense... Whether or not it was meant to be a joke, I just want to say some things... Canada is a terrific country, home of my wrestling hero Bret Hart (Calgary)... Toronto is a great city, great fan base... Yet, people were shock that the Raptors became a top 10 valuable franchise... True, that the Toronto Raptors are far from being contenders, far from being valuable in terms of taking them seriously when you talk about defense... Sure, they are not a playoff team... What frustrates me is how people bash the city and undermine what it is capable of...

Remember that Toronto doesn't just have the Raps as a team... They have the Blue Jays in MLB, the Maple Leafs in NFL and a club in MLS... They have a large market out there... That's why I shook my head in disgust on the comments of RuPaul Bosh earlier in the season when he said that one of the reasons why he needed to get out of Toronto was "he felt he never gets the exposure he would be getting in Miami..." really? I don't see how Toronto could be ignored... I mean its the only team in the NBA that's in Canada... Fans there are warm as hell... They cheer you on like Donkey Kong and jeer you hard when you betray them (just ask VC)... If I was VC, I would have love to stay and build my career in that city... The Raptors was "just" an expansion team when it arrived... Carter took that team to greater heights... Only to crumble when he decided he wanted out... I am just hoping that the fans can get their own Kobe Bryant on that team someday... Just like Chicago getting Michael Jordan and put them back to relevance... I admire the fans in a lot of sense that despite the lack of "Must-See" highlights other than DeMar, they are still able to sell tickets like hotcakes... That's Toronto fans for you... I'm just saying this, NEVER underestimate Toronto as a city and as a part in sports...


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I think you should also still

I think you should also still be slightly discouraged that while DeRozan is putting up numbers that he still lacks a jump shot, doesn't create particularly well for others, and is a bad defender. He'll get praise, and Toronto will get wins, when the most important players on Toronto are not so deficient in such important areas of the game.

You can't fix the ignorance of people who think because Toronto is in Canada is it therefore inadequate. Certainly, the fact that it is in Canada impacts the way in which the Raptors get covered by ESPN, but that should not be the basis for how one views the city.

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my sixers killed you guys

my sixers killed you guys last night with the same play OVER AND OVER AGAIN in the 2nd quarter.. Your coach never changed anything up in that zone.. SPeights 17 pts in one quarter, give me a break.. The raptors have a LOT of issues (#1 being the coach)....

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my sixers killed you guys

my sixers killed you guys last night with the same play OVER AND OVER AGAIN in the 2nd quarter.. Your coach never changed anything up in that zone.. SPeights 17 pts in one quarter, give me a break.. The raptors have a LOT of issues (#1 being the coach)....

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I do somewhat agree that the

I do somewhat agree that the coaching situation needs a shake-up, but I actually like their roster at the moment. Bayless, DeRozan, Bargnani, Davis, Weems; all relatively young players who are competitive from a talent standpoint.

Why can't DeRozan be the Kobe Bryant of the Raptors? Sure, he's not a great defender at the moment, and only scores really well (without a jumper at that), but Kobe started off slow and built momentum too. He's showing signs of the willingness to dominate, and a great work ethic, which can be the most important thing if you're talented enough to be a lottery pick in the NBA. I really hope he is the player to say, I want to be a Raptor for life, I'm going to make this franchise a contender.

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What Rudy Gay tweeted after

What Rudy Gay tweeted after playing in Toronto a few nights ago.

"After being in Toronto, getting off the plane in NJ feel like the Bahamas. Lol"

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Marcusfizer21

Thank you Marcusfizer21! I'm not trying to sound bias, but it's very true. People are always bashing Canada and it gets tiring after a bit.... Even when I'm on Xbox Live and people ask where I am from, I'll say Toronto and they'll say some smart comment like, "Oh do you guys ride polar bears to school? Do you live in an igloo?" It just gets frustrating and even on this forum, you need to understand that Toronto is a metropolitan city that has so many CULTURES ( I mean we have a lot of Indian, Chinese, Filipino, Jamaicans, Arabs, Italians people in Toronto) here that not a lot of cities have. Not to mention some of the best nightclubs in North America and the ALL the exposure to get in Canada? I mean VC was the face of Canada basketball and he dipped Toronto and ask him how he feels every time he gets boo-ed when he comes back. To add to your list of great Canadians here are some:

Jim Carrey
Drake
Mike Myers (Austin Powers)
Eugene Levy
Russell Peters
Wayne Gretzky
Mario Lemieux
Sidney Crosby
And all of our favourites.... Justin Bieber

Why are people shocked that the Raptors are top 10 in NBA's most valuable franchises? I mean Raptors games are usually packed even when we are losing and when we are winning we're pretty damn loud. We're not like New Orleans (no knock on them) who need a certain attendance to keep their lease or we aren't Joe Johnson calling out Atlanta fans for not showing up or even Memphis/Charlotte games where they are yelling MVP for Kobe Bryant. In Toronto, we'd BOO Kobe and whenever Calderon shoots free throws we'd say MVP! ( Okay we don't but you get the point ) Sure we're not winning but it doesn't knock Canada as a whole or even Toronto. Toronto is top 5 best cities in North America. We have a low crime rate, hot girls of different ethnicity, amazing nightlife, great scenery and you get anything you want here.

I mean VC got it worse than LBJ. This clip is INSIDE the ACC.

So to say Toronto shouldn't be in the top 10 of the NBA's most valuable franchises is ridiculous. 2.5 million people, 5 million if you include the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) New York, Los Angeles and Chicago only have more people than Toronto. So it's ignorant to say all these things about Toronto. Just because we're Canada doesn't make it less of a city than if it was in America.

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VC booed worse than LBJ
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coaching situation definitely

coaching situation definitely 100 % needs a shakeup.. All collins did is follow the same scheme that the spurs used... any compitent coach would have made some changes after a quarter.. Your now going on game, after game..

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I remember when Vince was in

I remember when Vince was in his hey day, the Raptors were pretty popular team. The fact is, if they are winning people will stop making fun of them. As far as American ignorace goes, that's been around for years. Did you see the movie "Canadian Bacon"? And American's are biased toward anything that isn't American.

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This needed to be said! Thank

This needed to be said! Thank you ! Toronto is more valuable financially than 20 other teams in the league and they've been a losing team for the past few years, now imagine how much of a powerhouse Toronto could be if we were a steady playoff team or atleast have a consistent winning record?

I feel like Toronto is looked down upon because we're the only team that is different in the league (In Canada) but what is a disadvantage on ESPN is a huge advantage in Canada, our whole country backs up the Raptors not just one state.

Take it for what it is, but when the Raps young guys start developing and they draft well, a lot of people won't be saying that know one will notice them. A good team gets attention no matter what.

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Haters gon' hate. T-dot

Haters gon' hate. T-dot represent!

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Thats because theres always a

Thats because theres always a kinda rivalry between Canada and the U.S.A. Thats nothing new. My friend who lives out there is always making fun of our obesity and greed and health care and i make fun of them.

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The problem I have with the

The problem I have with the Raptors isn't that they play in Canada, it's that they embrace that international culture to the point were it hurts there team. It's seems like ever since Vince left the team tried to reshape it's image by being a team full of international players. Calderon, Garbajosa, Bargnani, Delfino, Rasho, newly aquired Barbosa and Kleiza and it goes on and on and on. I think it's been proven that a group full of Euro's doesn't win you games, and the Raptors need to realize this if they actual want to be legitimate franchise.

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I agree with mgreener. Euro's

I agree with mgreener. Euro's are notoriously bad at defense and without defense you arent going anywhere. Prime example is toronto. If i were a star in the NBA i would have less of a desire to play for such a horrible defensive team so maybe by having all the euro's, your hurting yourself in the recruitment process. But they are in rebuild mode so we'll se what happens.

5th largest market in North America and thats just the city. I mean when you play for toronto you have the whole country behind you so its almost like its the largest market in the NBA. We dont get nationlly televised games in the US but thats mainly cause the team is less than mediocre. If they start winning and get nationally exposed in the US that might help in the recruiting process for free agents and big name players as well as keeping stars in toronto.

If Toronto had a winning team the ACC would be jam packed all the time. Rep T Dot till they bury me!!

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That international culture

That international culture San Antonio has embraced with Duncan (Virgin Islands), Manu (Argentina), Parker (France), Bonner (Canada), Splitter (Argentina), Udoka (Nigeria), Ryan Richards (Great Britain), Nando De Colo (France), Mahinmi (France), Oberto (Argentina), Elson (Holland), Udrih (Slovenia), Nesterovic (Slovenia), Marks (New Zealand), and Turkoglu (Turkey) has also showed that teams can't win with a team full of international players... oh wait.

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that's right
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true story

I was up in Toronto to see the Phillies play the Blue Jays during the weekend of the 2009 NBA Draft and they cut the coverage off after the first 35 picks!! Then, they went to "Sports Centre" and talked about nothing but the Argonauts and the NHL! Although you guys are evidence of a decent fan base, I have a really hard time feeling bad for you guys since I saw first hand what the sports scene in Toronto is like. Hell, in Philly the perception on the Sixers is really down but our media at least still gives them a ton of attention. The order of importance in Toronto is:

1. Maple Leafs

2. Argonauts

3. Blue Jays (canadian people can't say "out" or "ball" correctly btw)

4. Raptors.

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yeah

just like the NFL should stop going to Europe and we should stop playing soccer we should stop pushing our bullsh*t on everyone....its so arrogant of americans....like "if we like it how could you not???"....if anything the NBA should definitely try to expand to europe.....

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lol, torontoraptors10, the

lol, torontoraptors10, the video you posted of the 06-07 playoffs where VC was booed.

Isn't that the series that the underdog Nets beat the 3rd seeded Raptors as VC averaged 25ppg, 6rpg, 4apg?

But yeah, as said in this post.. T-Dot is a legit city. It's on the same level as Boston and Chicago in terms of being known around the world. That being said, I can understand players not wanting to really play there. I'm not trying to sound ignorant here, but sometimes you want to play as close to home as possible. Although Toronto is a great city and Canada is a country with many great benefits that are not offered in the US, people take Canada as a joke, and it shouldn't be that way. It's hard to pitch the idea of having to go to a different country to play basketball when it comes to star free agents. It's more of a state of mind of basketball players, they want to be "cool" and since Toronto isn't pictured as Brooklyn or Harlem or Southern Cali or South Beach, people don't want to play there. It's not "cool" enough apparently.

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for the record

Toronto is an awesome city. Cool people, nice ladies, cheap dank, and okay sports fans. Only thing you Canadians don't do right is food; no burgers at the ball park???? Also, You need artificial &$#%#&@! in your food so that it tastes better haha

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apb540 and toungeoutlike23

apb540:

You were probably watching TSN which is "Canada's ESPN" the best Toronto sports network is TheScore.
Sportsnet and TSN are the worst sports channel IMO, they always cover hockey. If you're looking for basketball, The Score is BEST sports channel overall, even with other sports too. ( They cover NCAA really well too )

Check it out:

www.thescore.com

They are the one with Basketball Jones who make those funny nba video ( the hedo turkoglu one, and like a bosh) They cover basketbal A LOT better and have a lot of basketball highlights, I suggest you watch it.

And living in Toronto only the "true canadians" (when I say that I mean the people have had generations here for years. I come from 1st generation and my parents are from India and Pakistan), LOVE the Argos, personally I could care less about them. From what I've seen, Leafs then the Raptors then the Blue Jays. Raptors games are always packed and always have good attendance. The Leafs sell out EVERY game and even though they suck, they'll still sell out every game.

Toungeoutlike23:

Yeah thats the series lol. I mean players have complained about Canada such as high taxes and things like that. Our education system is really good, not to mention the high taxes are beneficial to good infrastructure and free health care. I agree with you, players do think Toronto isn't "cool" to be because places like NY, Miami and LA are hyped up. But for real, it's underrated. As MarcusFizer21 mentioned about getting a franchise star player on the level of Kobe or LBJ and they are able to take Canadian basketball to a new level, trust me, the endorsements will be there.

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Great responses

I agree marcusfizer21, that whole situation is sad really..

there are points I agree with about Canada and their awesome fan base like how their city is underrated because it's just in Canada.. thats ignorant. They're top 10 because of how loyal our Toronto fans are and the city, if you look at it they are pretty much Hockey fans too and you all know how crazy they are about hockey, if you watch a Maple leafs game you see the similarities.

Then there are thing I agree about where one person commented about Toronto's media coverage how it was Maple leafs first, obvious reasons.. then argonauts then blue jays.. It's Canada's ONLY NBA team yet their coverage is garbage. the only argument I can see with the Blue Jays is because they won back to back world series.

I've traveled a lot and noticed that anything not familiar with American public they would bash and find that weird. I read a while back when I was traveling one of the top disliked tourists was Americans, this was an international article. I also remember the French tourists were one of the others if curious.

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This is like the Clippers and

This is like the Clippers and Lakers. People see what a great team the Lakers are and how bad the Clippers are. It's just unlucky that Canada is next to the USA who is seen as a great country, or used to atleast, all around the world while Canada is seen as an average or below average country in terms of technology and social standings with the world. This is why they aren't taken seriously.

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As for a Basketball side

As for a Basketball side note, I would love for Toronto to get a loyal star player like Tim Duncan, Kobe, Derrick Rose haha. He better be a Bull his entire career.. just saying. It would get the coverage and really their fans don't deserve such basketball each year when they're throwing money away to watch them lose. I believe Demar is a good piece and if they land Kyrie Irving, then thats Demar, Kyrie, and Ed Davis to build around. They need to unload Bargnani because I thought they should've traded that pick because the top three were Adam Morrison, Bargnani and Tyrus Thomas...but they already have an up and coming player in Chris Bosh.. personally I loved Brandon Roy at Washington and thought Toronto could really use him and Bulls.. Rudy Gay was the big surprise for me though..

Just my 2 cents.

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Yeah. I've never been to

Yeah. I've never been to Toronto, but I've heard it's a great city. I think players don't want to play their because they're not use to the lifestyle in Canada. The customs and culture are totally different from the U.S. Plus they don't like the weather.

There have been so many stars that didn't want to play in Toronto lik Steve Francis, Antawn Jamison, and others I can't remember. There have also been many stars that have ditched later in there careers like T-Mac and Vince. DeMar DeRozan is a rising star who still has room for improvement, but is improving every game, and I know a lot of Raptor fans that are afraid he'll leave during free agency in a few years. I found this funny picture a Raptors fan made on a Raptors board.

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But regardless, the Raptors have a really young roster that has a lot of potential and a bright future. But I think that in order for them to make that next step, they need to fire Jay Triano. The Raptors are rebuilding and it seems like he hasn't gotten the memo. He's giving extended minutes to Calderon (who they were trying to trade early in the season) and taking minutes away from Bayless who has proven to be solid when starting, and is giving extended minutes to Kleiza & Barbosa. His rotations are terrrible and he doesn't give enough minutes to the young guys.

I also know that most Raptor fans want to tank for Kyrie Irving. Well, with them losing 8 straight, it looks like a real possibility, and if they land him, there future even gets brighter. This team has the potential to become a great team in a few years.

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If the taxes are excessively

If the taxes are excessively high in Toronto, I can see why certain star players wouldn't want to play there. First, as others have mentioned, basketball isn't the number one sport in Canada, so players there wouldn't necessarily get a lot of money through endorsements. Second, those benefits that you mentioned--good education, free healthcare, better infrastructure--those sorts of things will only apply to the players while they live in Canada, and I'm sure that most of their homes are elsewhere (usually in the US) during the offseason. So they would be in essence subsidizing Canadians with their money--and they're not Canadian, they're American, so they really have no ties to the people.

Not all players play for the money, but a fair amount of them do. And this lower income from playing in Canada would clearly be detrimental to that.

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hahah

sorry u hate it but u mite as well get used to it. the raptors will always be a joke. even if they make the playoffs

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I feel you man, but let me say, as someone who lives in Toronto and was born here, you can underestimate the Raptors. Yes, Toronto is a great city, but it is cold and in Canada, which for many American born players makes a difference. Also, I think I have said this many a time, but you are taxed on where you play games. Hence, players in Toronto get 41 games of high Ontario taxes. Not incredibly glamorous, especially with the whole Miami having no income tax thing. Yeah, people got pissed at Chris Bosh, but look at what BTPH just exhibited. This team had a number of players with talent, but tons of deficiencies. Say whatever you want about Bosh "dissing Toronto", but I believed he did like Toronto, just not enough to stay with a franchise with incredibly little wiggle room to build with. Look at the current state of the Cavs and Raps. 18 losses in a row and 9 in a row respectively. More than likely, they would be helping these guys to the same place they were last year, if not worse.

Also, the Jays, Leafs, Argos and Bills (where most people currently go to watch football in the NFL), are all awful. Toronto is a hockey town, even when the Jays won two World Series in a row. Chris Bosh was kind of a big deal, and maybe it was a slightly stupid thing to say, but he is in the news more. Most people in the US do not know who the Prime Minister of Canada is, not to mention that Canada has a Prime Minister. I know people here think Toronto is a big deal, and it is a world class city, but sports here is suffering. Also, pretty sure some of Toronto's value is tied into the hockey team, they are not separate. Maybe the basketball half was top 10, I have no idea. But, I tend to highly underestimate Toronto sports at this point. Toronto will have a very hard time building a good basketball team, and I am just being realistic. You can say what you would do if you were in Vince Carter or Chris Bosh's shoes, but odds are you would have a few things you would be considering as well. DeRozan and Bargnani, or Wade and James? Mediocrity or a chance to win? Serious questions here.

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Prime Minister

Really? Had to look it up myself. Stephen Harper? Sounds like an author's name or maybe even a 3 point specialist on a Big Ten team lol

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Taxes kill you in Canada

There is NO REASON anyone should want to play in Toronto unless TORONTO OVERPAID each player. This is because the Federal marginal tax rate for the US is 35% while it's 46.1% in Canada. If you apply that over a salary of approx. 10 million, that's about a million dollars of difference paid in taxes alone. And for a MAX level player, it's going to be about 1.5 to 2 million dollars paid in taxes a year. Why would anyone want to play in Toronto with these high tax rates, all else being equal?

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