[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

I’ve heard many people say, “Rondo isn’t that good, he’s just doing good because he’s playing with Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce.”

Then these are the same people that say “John Wall is the REAL DEAL! He can rebound, pass, defend, has all the athleticism in the world”

Well guess what, Rondo can steal, pass, defend, drive, finish, rebound. And you know what? Maybe John Wall isn’t that good… maybe it’s just because he’s like Rondo and he’s playing with very good teammates. Have you thought it if that way? DeMarcus Cousins, Patrick Patterson, and Eric Bledsoe, heck even Daniel Orton off the bench. Just like Rondo is playing with 3 future HOFers, John Wall was playing with 4 future 1st round picks.

[dolla130Participant]

i agree with you but Rondo is a very very talented rebounder and and wants to rebound i doubt once wall gets in the nba he will rebound that well if at all and rondo is a crafty defender wall imo is avg at best but could get better and rondo has very good instincts on offense and defense wall IMO has not showed that

[the I in winParticipant]

I heard people saying that 2-3 years ago but who is saying that now? I don’t like Rondo, he is cocky and talks crap even though he was the 4th option on that championship team but I realize he has talent. Wall has the potential to be much better.

[kanebangerParticipant]

John carried all the garbage on UK. Everyone but him wont do anything special in the nba

[Tyreke JohnsonParticipant]

I see your comparison with their surrounding talent which can enhance how they look as a player but individually they play totally different games. Wall has the advantage in height, athleticism and a better physical structure, Rondo though is the better creative passer, play maker and rebounder. Rondo obviously has talent around him that will let the defense lay off him which they would not with the other guys but you can’t deny he is the leader and catalyst of this Celtics team and when you take him out of the picture, they would not have made it this far. John Wall is an interesting prospect too, don’t expect him to have a great rookie season but down the line he will adapt well and succeed.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Yeah I wasn’t trying to compare them as players, i’m comparing on how their stats and play can look better than it really is because of the players they play with

[Tyreke JohnsonParticipant]

Yea I agree that the talent around them has definitely helped their stats but they are both still good players, obviously with different teammates produces lower stats but you could argue that for a lot of players on winning teams and their stats. I like what Rondo has done with three future hall of famers though, he established himself as the leader and was able to grow as a player even with them in the spotlight and now he is able to play off the Big 3 effectively,he has done well considering. And sure Wall had Bledsoe, Patterson and Cousins but he also made Bledsoe and Patterson a little better then they would have been without him, its all a matter of how a player can impact a game and what he does to help his teammates win. Rondo I feel can impact the game with rebounding, scoring and passing even if he plays with the Big 3 they have struggled a lot during these playoffs and he has gotten them through it.

[Tyreke JohnsonParticipant]

Yea I agree that the talent around them has definitely helped their stats but they are both still good players, obviously with different teammates produces lower stats but you could argue that for a lot of players on winning teams and their stats. I like what Rondo has done with three future hall of famers though, he established himself as the leader and was able to grow as a player even with them in the spotlight and now he is able to play off the Big 3 effectively,he has done well considering. And sure Wall had Bledsoe, Patterson and Cousins but he also made Bledsoe and Patterson a little better then they would have been without him, its all a matter of how a player can impact a game and what he does to help his teammates win. Rondo I feel can impact the game with rebounding, scoring and passing even if he plays with the Big 3 they have struggled a lot during these playoffs and he has gotten them through it.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Rondo is one of the few players who can actually control a game from wire to wire without scoring more than 5 points.

[Tyreke JohnsonParticipant]

Exactly he has terrific control of the game, he is underrated in some aspects of his game to be honest. If he develops even a consistent mid range jump shot he is going to be very interesting to watch.

[Tyreke JohnsonParticipant]

srry double post

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

I do not think Wall is on that level. It is rare for a point guard to consistently win games with defense. I like Wall, but I doubt he rebounds the same in the NBA, and is not as good a passer at all. I thought Rondo was the best passer in the draft when he came out. I think Wall could turn into a better scorer and I do believe he will excel in the NBA. Just a different style player. I agree with the comment on Wall having a great all around game like Rondo, but seeing it being very different in the pro’s.

[Leftovers16Participant]

What a dumb comparison… Rondo needed years to develop Wall will probably make an impact game 1… And he won’t have 3 hall of famers to develop his game… If anything we haven’t even seen what Wall can do in the Nba yet so to say Rondo is better then him before he even starts is retarded because he haven’t showed us what he can do yet that’s like saying Turner will never be as good as Roy we can’t say he will never be as good as him because he haven’t showed what he can do yet

[McWinningParticipant]

Since when is the Rondo the best defender in the nba? hes a GREAT off the ball defender, but to me hes mediocre on the ball, he lets his guy blow by a lot, and seems more interested in getting the steal, then playing tough d.

No way hes as good as guys like Battier, and Perkins, and Howard, And Westbrook, and Batum and the rest of the gang.

His off the ball defense makes him a very good defender though.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

IMO that is part of being a good defender. I stand by him being the best defender in the NBA. Yes all those guys you said are good. I do not feel they win big games with D. Howard blocks shots, but is not a great all around defender to me. Battier is a beast 2. Rondo comes up big on D in big games. More than anyone else in the league. The best yes.

[Leftovers16Participant]

Is that a joke too he hooks players all the time and never gets called for it that’s how he gets 50% of his steals the passing lane defense is good though, but the on ball defense is just as good as any average player in the Nba he gets beat off or rather gives up on the dribble like any other young pg, crashing boards is great for pg, if steals mean great defense then Allen Iverson must have been an incredible defender leading the league multiple time in steals…

[HaleParticipant]

Let the dude have his opinion, personally I disagree, but he is entitled to his opinion. I wouldn’t call Rondo the best defender in the NBA when Rose makes him look foolish for trying to cover him, but that’s just me.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Rondo to Allen Iverson on D is a joke. You lose mad cred for that statement. He is closer to being the best than being Iverson even if people disagree with him being the best. Block on Fisher at crucial time in game 2, steal in crucial moment of game 2. Steal in crucial moment of game 4. I rest my case.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Rose had one big game in the playoffs against Rondo. He is a NBA player guys have eating him more often than Rondo on the offensive end. Keep hating yupyup which point guard normally wins in their match ups when they face. Rondo. I like Rose, but he cant lock Rondo either. They lose cuz Rondo gets in the lane. At the end of the day most of these teams lose because they can’t keep him out the paint. Put Kobe on him to keep him out.

[HaleParticipant]

Keep hating? I was saying your entitled to your opinion. Also never said he could cover Rondo back..even though he did block him to win that one game in the playoffs. Rondo can’t cover Rose at all. That was my point, and it’s true.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Joking with you yupyup. Naw but Rondo on all D team in the NBA. You don’t have to agree he is the best, but come on he D it up.

[HaleParticipant]

I agree with you there man, and in all fairness not sure if anyone can cover Rose.

[Charlie SheenParticipant]

I think Rondo is the truest PG in the game………..hear me out…………Nash, Paul, Williams are considered the top 3 but look at J- Kidd and look at Rondo besides J-Kidd being able to shoot a lil they are true PG’s who love to do everything but score. they rebound, pass, push the break and defend and keep everyone on their team happy. Kidd played with many egos, Mashburn, Carter, Jefferson, K-Mart, Nowitski, Butler they never one titles but he’s considered one of the best of all time. Rondo deals wit the Big 3 Ray Ray, KG and Pierce and he won them a title if you ask me Rondo is the best PG in the gaem right now but once D.Rose gets his pieces next year he’lltake over that crown. I see Rose getting Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay with him

[HaleParticipant]

I think Nash the truest, he can score and is a great shooter, but only does that when he is called upon to do so. Amazing at taking what the defense gives him and as a pg in general.

[lalailaParticipant]

actually i like the comparison..John Wall-rich man’s R.Rondo (Wall’s 6.5 at college level is superb and his leadership at 19yrs old is also impressive..he could be the same player with 3more inches and scoring ability.

[NYK2010Participant]

Rondo is moving up there in the PG ranks.
Whats hurts him is his free throw % and the inconsistent jump shot.
Also he has moments where he’s too passive on the floor for a guy with that skill he needs to drive to the ball to the rim as much as possible. He might need to cut down on the gambling on plays too it hurts the team a lil. Besides that his passing, steals, rebs are all at high levels for a Pg esp. for one in his 4th season.
I disagree with Rondo getting the Big 3 a title in 08 he did very lil outside of the first 2 games, he wasn’t even on the floor when they made that big comeback in Game 4.
I still have Deron Williams as the best PG though, Rondo needs to be more consistent with his jumper. Deron is stuck playing the Lakers every year in the playoffs and on a Jazz team thats rarely healthy and isn’t big enough.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

D- Will is my pick as best point in the league. I just like my point guards to be a pest on D. D-Will can’t pressure the ball like I like my points to do though.

[JNixonParticipant]

Wall and Rondo aren’t much alike IMO in terms of how they play. Wall is more of a scorer than Rondo naturally, he looks for his own shots more than Rondo does. Rondo is a much better playmaker though, and is one of the top 3 passers in basketball to me. Also has never been turnover prone, Wall can’t say that. I’d say Wall is more willing to shoot the ball than Rondo is as well, even currently and shows better shooting ability than Rondo. Both are similar in that they are very great athletes with endless arms, are very good defenders, and both like to push the tempo and are at their best putting pressure on the D slashing to the rim.

Oh, and Rondo isn’t the best defender in the NBA IMO. I think Thabo Sefolosha is the best perimeter defender, and Kendrick Perkins (even though he’s struggling against LA) is the best post defender. But consider elite perimeter and post defense the ability to make guys take tough shots and work super duper hard to score efficiently. Not simply passing lane D.

[stanford hoops]

Actually Leftovers16 YOU HAVE IT BACKWARDS. ITS RETARDED to say wall is as good or better then rondo because rondo is already one of the best pg in the nba while wall hasnt proven a thing yet. everything with wall is maybe,probably,likely,hopefully. so how you figure its retarded to say rondo is as good as wall?..its clearly the other way around

[billykParticipant]

Tony Allen is playing excellent defense on Kobe (random thought)……

[Leftovers16Participant]

After reading what I wrote that’s what I meant in a sense u can’t say Wall won’t be as good because he has time on his side if one day he surpasses you’ll sound retarded if he doesn’t so what… Rondo was “good” Wall wasn’t… IMO everyone is just DRing Rondo’s stats and forgetting who he is playing with throw him on a losing squad and if he still shows up then he will get props…

[Leftovers16Participant]

WTF u doing correcting people grammar u knew what i meant read it both ways and satisfy yoself damn is this a English class ? Go play some ball stop correcting people shit

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