If Noel is "Over rated"....
Can you please, as a 'Nerlens Noel-is-over rated-fan', explain me what kind of numbers were you expecting him to get...
Because as far as I'm concerned, if you were expecting more than 10ppg 10rpg 1.6apg 4.4bpg 2.1spg on 59FG% you were the one over rating him in the first place.
Straight up, what numbers did you expect... ppg, rpg, apg, bpg, spg, FG%?????
Expectations and overrated aren't the same thing. I don't think many people expected Noel to do much more...but those stats clearly indicate he has a pretty raw offensive game, and he's coming off an ACL tear that probably won't heal until the season is well started, so in that regard, him being viewed still has a top 5 pick is pretty questionable, to some.
I didn't expect him to put up more than 12-9 with 3 blocks to be honest but at the same time, I didn't expect Kentucky to be unranked.
John Calipari hasn't had this much trouble with his one-and-done crew since he started doing it and it proves exactly how unready these guys are. Statistically, I'm sure he's on par where everyone expected him to be but at the end of the day, those are empty stats. They aren't winning at all.
How are you supposed to be a franchise changing player when you can't even lead a simple college team. That's what worries people.
And I realize he might not be a franchise player but with the #1 overall pick comes a lot of responsibility. Is a guy that puts up empty college stats really worth the #1 pick?
We are basically comparing him to Anthony Davis because of last years team and their success. Also Davis was the #1 pick. Davis could do everything Noel does better and more. Davis can handle the ball and his iq may be better as well. Now to say Noel can't lead a team isn't fair because to be honest I feel the team and the crop if freshman last year were better than this years. Let Davis and Noel switch places and do u think the outcome would be that different. I'm not sure they would
I think Noel will be better than Davis defensively though not by much.
Davis is more skilled so he will play more on the offensive side, Noel will be concentrating on defense and looking to contest every shot taken, all the time.
He might lead the league in bpg on day.
When it's all set and done, he will be a top 3 player from the class and it's not even questionable imho.
The 6'10/6'11 jumping jack with a massive 7'4 wingspan, who has the ability, will, and non stop motor to contest every lay up taken in the game.
I don't think it's a stretch to say he will be a top 3 player in the class. I mean we don't and can't even have a consensus #1 pick in this class. No player in the class grabs your attention and makes you say want him more than anyone else. This is the type of year that it doesn't hurt to have 1 of the rope 5 picks
I'd say his defense is overrated because he goes after everything and can be manipulated. Blocking shots is fine. Going after blocks, sacrificing defensive integrity and rebounding position is not. He also does a lot of fundamentally unsound things on defense like lunging for steals or reaching around ball-handlers on the perimeter for poke-aways.
Anthony Davis blocked a ton of shots as well but he was also the smarter, more disciplined defender.
"I'd say his defense is overrated because he goes after everything and can be manipulated. Blocking shots is fine. Going after blocks, sacrificing defensive integrity and rebounding position is not. He also does a lot of fundamentally unsound things on defense like lunging for steals or reaching around ball-handlers on the perimeter for poke-aways."
Considering he is a freshman, stays out of foul trouble, and doesnt goaltend, I would have no problem with that if I was a GM. Those things can be learned with time.
OKC traded away Harden so they can keep the guy who contests every shot.
Bad habits take a while to be unlearned if they're eventually weeded out at all.
And that guy who they chose over Harden isn't an elite defender. He's a shot blocker with an average rebounding rate. I don't think that's a coincidence.
Did I say he was an elite defender? no
A player who tries to contest every single shot isn't exactly playing good defense. Ibaka blocks a lot of shots, but nobody will mistake him for the DPOY. Blocking shots is just one aspect, and a very overrated one at that, of defense. Tyrus Thomas used to play the same way that Noel used to play defensively, going after every shot and gambling for steals and he was never mistaken for a really good defender, just lauded for his potential defensively. He was maybe considered a disruptive one, but not a dependable back line defender because he would break defensive continuity to try to fill the B/S categories.
Most people say he's overrated I think he's underrate d. I didn't think his hook shot would be that good I expected a college ben Wallace. The guy can be an eventual 15ppg scorer and at worst a joakim Noah. He also is playing on a good but not great team. Everyone expected a repeat and that wasn't going to happen. The real problem wit Kentucky this year was pg play. If he had marquis teague this team would be straight instead they are a 13 seed.
At worst he will be an all-star? I don't think so...The Noah comparison is much closer to his ceiling than his floor in my opinion.
Uhh, who in the hell is worried, except some anonymous internet poster?
I also thought of him as Joakim Noah type player in the future. Probably a better shot blocker but not with as much passion. I think he will be a good player in the NBA. Even after the knee thing. It is just a setback. I don't think it hinders him a bit and may be a blessing for him to work on his shooting. If he can knock down a mid range jumper, he is a starting 4 in the league.
I really fear that people are underestimating the sevarity of a torn ACL. There have been some amazing advances in medicine, but I think it would be unwise to take him in the top 5. An injury can effect one mentally, in the way they play, and how physical they are willing to get. Noel is blessed with great length, which will prove to be a great asset in the NBA, but there is no guarantee he'll be the athlete he was two months ago.
This draft there is no clear cut #1, I have a new guy at #1 on my mock every couple of weeks, but although I don't think Noel "pre-injury" was overrated because he looked like a guy with some serious upside and a guy who could be where Larry Sanders is after a couple years, if not better, but I think "post-injury" Noel is a tad overrated. He may be worth the risk from 8-12, but top 5 just seems really high to draft a guy who will only be 4 months into his rehab.
there you go again, bringing reason and sense into it...
He actually does a better job blocking his man's shots better than Davis, although Davis is much better coming from the help side to block or alter shots.