if kobe the closest to Jordan what kobe weakness? does he have any?
Son you are tripping hard, it's a simple debate... I think your the nut hugger because you seem to be getting a little to emotional for my liking, I find it funny you throwing around weak ass insults to somebody you don't even know... But chumps are gonna be chumps.. 6-0 in the finals lol....
No you simply have't given me any kind of factual info other than opinionated statements. I'm simply very passionate about what I believe and I think it's honestly kind of ignorant to think that the gap is the size of the Grand Canyon. And furthermore that the people who guarded MJ were tougher because they had an OPINIONATED better hoop IQ but far less athleticism and far less size compared to the ELITE talents and athletes of this era. It's ignorant. And I never once threw an insult toward YOU, but you obviously felt strongly enough for MJ that you felt the need to comment on it assuming I was talking about you because inside behind your screen that's exactly what you are. There are nmore MJ riders than Kobe. Simple as that. Always will be. I don't care if someone wins 20 titles while dominating MJ's individual numbers, no one will ever see past MJ's legacy.
"OK, let me rephrase what I meant by that. Jordan never faced any double or triple teams from the perimeter. "
You should've just stopped there. After that you basically just came off as an ***.
I hope you mean second best shooting guard ever
A lot of people say Kobe couldn't win the tittle during those years without Shaq, and while that is true, it's also true vice versa.
As important is is to have a great big man, you also need a twenty point scorer. The only big man to EVER win a tittle without a twenty point perimeter scorer was hakeem during his first tittle run. He had a declining but still productive Clyde Drexler. Shaq only won tittles when KObe started scoring 23, 28 and 25 points per game. Bill Russell had Cousy and Havlicek. Kareem had Cousy and Bob Danbridge scoring 18 and 19 each in Milwakee, and obviously Magic and Worthy in LA. Wilt had West. Parish and McHale had each other and Bird and Dennis Johnson. And Shaq had Kobe. Ewing made it in 94, when John Starks had a career high 19. In 99, Ewing only played the first two or three rounds, but even then, he had Sprewell, Houston, and Johnson to go along with their defensive identity.
So although Kobe may have needed Shaq at that stage in his career, the same can be said about Shaq needing Kobe.
Sorry, I meant to say Kareem had Robertson, not Cousy.
Coming off as an ass was exactly the goal I was going for yupyup so obviously my post came out as was meant lol.
Jordan would have never lost a playoff game (let alone a Finals game) by 40, and never would have gotten swept the way Lakers did against Dallas.
Except that Jordan wass in fact swept in the playoffs before. And if MJ's teammates went as cold from deep as Kobe's then, YES, he would have gotten beat down. One man can't do it all bro. I'm done with this debate, too many people are ignorant in a debate of MJ VS. ANYONE.
I am sorry, but as great as MJ was he still would have lost to the Celtics in 08. Maybe not by 40, but we all forget just how great that Boston defense was in 08.
"Kobe has always had to play the role of Pippen and Jordan.;"
that is very true and someone mentioned that in a thread here a few months ago, that Kobe has long yearned to play off the ball but just has not had the components to do so. Imagine Kobe with Pippen, or todays version...LBJ. LBJ and Kobe would be a better combination than LBJ and Wade, no doubt. Just think J-Kidd or Grant Hill in their prime with Kobe.
MJ is the GOAT, but you have nuthuggers and haters when it comes to anyone great.
Because MJ is the GOAT, people tend to make it seem like he did it all by himself, or that he couldve just played with any other 4 guys and got the job done. Or he could single-handedly will his team to victory against ANY team in history. Had MJ lost, he would be going through what LBJ is going through right now. "Yeah he's a great player but he aint winning titles" and blah blah. When LBJ wins, his haters will be spurned and his nuthuggers will come out of the woodworks to credit him for single handedly bringing a title to Miami or wherever else he DECIDES to go. This is a team sport people.
LOL, that was you and I talking about Kobe's yearning to play off-ball. It was regarding a convo we were having where you mentioned how you'd like to see Kobe play PG as he gets older. And I do agree whole-heartedly as to why people ride MJ's nuts the way they do. I just feel its disrespectful to the game of basketball to not even entertain the idea of ANYBODY being so much better than everyone else. No matter who that player is. IMO, there are about 5-6 guys you could make honest claims to being the GOAT, but MJ was simply the first guy to get the insane amounts of endorsments and such. HE revolutionized the game by bringing people who would have never found interest in the game while winning. But people tend to forget, MJ didn't always win, and he didn't look like much more than LBJ before Pippen arrived.
It's just as I have always thought, while MJ truely was amazing, it's his legacy(i.e. stories, thoughts, hearsay" that make him truely great in the eyes of fans. No one remembers all the times he failed, all the times he got punked out by the Pistons or all the times he went crazy on a teammate. Hell, people even tend to forget that there were in fact times during the second 3peat, that if guys like Kukoc hadn't stepped up, the Bulls absolutely wouldn't have won.
To second surve, it's a team game people. Jordan didn't do it all by himself just like Kobe never does it simply by himself.