If I were Rubio, and didn't want to play for the TWolves (which I wouldn't), I would start turning the heat up on Kahn.
Kahn probably feels like he's in a can't lose situation. He drafted Flynn, so he's not desperate for a PG - in fact it makes zero sense to keep them both despite all the junk Kahn is saying. So Kahn must be planning to trade Rubio, and he feels even if Rubio stays in Europe for a couple years he (Kahn) still has the hammer, since Rubio will likely continue to develop and gain in value.
However Rubio in fact has all the leverage. He's already said he'll probably stay in Europe for a year or two. Fine Kahn says. If I'm Rubio I would start saying I'm considering signing with Real for the next _5_ years, and will reevaluate if I want to come to the NBA at the end of it. Then watch Kahn jump.
If i was rubio i would stay because i can great stats in minnesota plus sign a contract for 2 years then just go to a different team for more money because of the buyout in spain
ok...let me play David Khan....I wouldnt budge...think about it.
Your 18 and you wanna sign for 5 years for another team? Go Ahead. Khan has 2 2010 1st round picks (Charlotte's and Minny's) and both look to be in the top 15. I dont have to trade you, stay overseas and play over there then.
Meanwhile, ill let Flynn run the show
I thought he was crazy at firsty but he is very smart. First of all teams are offering all stars huge future picks for Rubio and the Wolves gave up Foye and Miller for this future star(Say what you want about him but he is highly valued by GMs)
Second he does have the leverage. Rubio could possibly lose stock over in Europe or he will develop while we let Flynn develop here.
Rubio wants to make money and everything be internationally known make a name for himself. Thats gonna happen in the US more than overseas.
No team wants to lose a high lottery pick and get back nothing in return.
Rubio originally said he wants to play in the NBA now. And even though I'm not sold that he will be a star here, I certainly hope he will be, and want to see him develop here as soon as possible.
I also don't blame Kahn for his moves and treating Rubio like an asset - that's his job. I'm just saying Rubio can up the ante past the point where Kahn will lose his job. The TWolves are looking like the weakest team in the NBA next year. If it also looks like they get zilch for the Rubio pick, Kahn will get fired next summer IMO. Why would he risk that?
I don't think he would get fired after one year if Rubio does'nt come over. GM's have a lot more job security then coaches and I'm sure the TWolves will give Kahn plenty of time to make his imprint. I think Kahn holds all the chips in this case and if Rubio continues to grow in europe, then it will increase what Kahn could get for him.
Also, while Rubio might stay a year or two in europe, I highly doubt he would sign a five year extension. That would mean takng the risk of losing many millions of dollars.
maybe Rubio to Portland for Outlaw, Bayless, and a pick/overseas player do you think that would work?
I would just come over play hard and try to improve. In the end, I don't see any way he and Flynn would work well together, so odds are that Kahn would end up trading one of them. If they don't trade Rubio, then he only has to stay in Minnesota for 4 years, then he could sign his big contract with any team he wants. The longer he waits in Spain, the longer he will have to wait for that second "big" contract as well as the ability to become a free agent. As long as he shows his skills, it won't hurt him too much if he plays out of position or off the bench in Minn because GM's will understand his situation, plus he is still young.
Exctly. As everyone knows, Im not a big Rubio guy, but if he is as good as everyone thinks he could be he should stick around with whichever team he gets traded to. Face it, he will be traded, but they are rejecting deals like Rubio has proven anything. The Aaron Brooks deal was about as good a trade as they were gonna get before the season, because nobody else is gonna throw a young PG like Brooks out there without having seen Rubio play well in the season. Now if he shows he is the real deal, maybe teams will start looking at offers for him around the deadline. And the same can be said about Flynn, if he plays well in the season he could be moved to add talent at other weak spots the T'Wolves have on their depth chart.
exactly. If Minnesota is gonna turn down Brooks(who is emergging as a very good pg) and Battier(who is a great fit anywhere he goes), then I'm not sure what Minnesota expects to get for an unproven Rubio. I would be surprised if teams offer much more then that at this point.
Rockets put out the best offer they will recieve for an Unproven Talent like Rubio. *Sigh* Stupid Minny.
1) It is Rubio's dream to play in the NBA..... not in Europe for the rest of his life.... and even if he decides to play 10 years in Europe the Wolves still own his rights over in the US.
2) The European Economy is hurting pretty bad and Rubio is unltimately loosing money the longer he stays there.(EX if anyone read the Brandon Jennings inteview about his European experience, Jennings only got ONE check on time.) and even though he is DKV Joventut's best player the actually are better off with him in the NBA. They specifically are having difficulty selling tickets and Rubio's success in the NBA could lead to a re-newed fan base wanting to see what the team can produce next.
3)Even in Europe Rubio's stock will rise, his skill level and feel for the game will only improve, the buyout decreases next year and disappears the year after making him even more appealing.
4) There are no offers on the table so far that are even worth considering. Other then Wilson Chandler the Knicks have to pieces that would interest the T-Wolves, and that goes the same for an aging T-Mac from the Rockets.( Aaron Brooks defeats the purpose of arguing you have to trade Rubio bcuz of Johnny Flynn and Brooks would be two young PG's on the same team)
5) My sleeper trade partner that may work for all sides is the LA Clippers... they have a group of young players the Wolves would be interested in if the were willing to package Eric Gordon w/ either Al Thorton or DeAndre Jordan ..... Rubio would go to an appealing city with a huge media base and the Clippers would have another stud to pair with Blake Griffin.
The Rockets didn't put T-Mac out there, they were going to do a deal involvoing Aaron Brooks, Shane Battier, and if needed a Possible Resigned Von Wafer, but the Wolves had rejected that offer. TWO Starters on a Playoff Team for an Unproven Talent. Brooks is young and Battier would've been a great mentor for Brewer since he is suppose to be a defensive stopper, but Minny said NO. How could they say no? What are they expecting? Chris Paul??? He must really mean he doesn't want to trade him, I'd imagine the Rockets might come back to the Wolves if Free Agency isn't kind to them and if Yao is out because they may consider rebuilding, but who knows although Morey has said he doesn't think they need to start that stage just yet since they have alot of good players and if they could get some players in free agency they think they can still contend.
I noticed in almost every topic discussed a Portland Trade is brought up. Why wouldn't you be happy with your team as a Fan of the Blazers? You guys are so un appreciative. Stop trying to change things up. I'm a Rockets Fan and I'd kill to have McGrady and Yao healthy just like Blazers have Roy and Aldridge healthy and if they were as young as well yet Blazer Fans always seem to want more rather it be, Hedo, Rubio, Flynn, Miller, or Hinrich. Bayless can play the point and will have to if he stays a Blazer, why would you trade another young player like Bayless?
The Clippers would be the dumbest team in history (maybe that ship has sailed) if they trade Gordon w/Thornton or Jordan. That would be ridiculously dumb if they were trading for a proven player, much less Rubio.
I wasn't saying that Rubio _should_ remain in europe long term, just that it would make a good threat to get Kahn to trade him sooner.
The Wolves are not looking to contend... not this year... not next year. They are looking for young star potential players to build around. Isn't the whole debate over drafting Rubio and Flynn is their both PG's... what would be the sense of trading him for another PG. Battier is an expensive mentor on a team that wont make the playoffs considering he makes 14 million over the next two years tieing up valuable cap space for the summer of 2010. No I don't expect someone to throw a superstar for Rubio, but two years from now he will have no buyout issues and will be two year more experienced INCREASING his value so there is no rush in trading him for pieces that dont fit.