If Cleveland trades the #1..........
What do the Cavs command in return if they trade the pick this year?
Do they acquire any vets?
How many picks do they get in return?
Which players should they target in a trade?
Who do they package with the pick?
The number one pick isn't that much of a hot commodity.
If they wanted to shop the top pick AND Anderson Varejao they could call up the Thunder. I would try to get Perry Jones, Jeremy Lamb, Hasheem Thabeet (decent cheap young shot blocker), Kendrick Perkins (salary to make the Andy part work, and a guy who can give them some veteran toughness), the 12th pick and the 29th pick for the top pick and Varejo.
The Cavs would give up a lot, but they could have this team if they drafted a guy like Steven Adams at center:
PG Kyrie Irving
SG Dion Waiters
SF Perry Jones
PF Tristan Thompson
C Steven Adams
PG Peyton Siva (second round pick)
SG Jeremy Lamb
SF Alonzo Gee/DeShaun Thomas (second round pick)
PF Tyler Zeller
C Kendrick Perkins/Hasheem Thabeet
Lots of young talent there. They get a solid center PLUS another good shooting guard a versatile forward. Then at 29 they can go "BPA".
The Thunder lose a lot of depth but counter with:
PG Russell Westbrook
SG Kevin Martin (resigned)
SF Kevin Durant
PF Serge Ibaka
C Anderson Varejo
PG Reggie Jackson
SG Ben McLemore
SF Thabo Sefolosha/DeAndre Liggins
PF Nick Collison
C Second round pick
There are a bunch of guys in this trade but I think it works for both teams. The Cavs get a bunch of young talent for the future and a tough veteran who can teach the young guys, and the Thunder get the guy inside they need plus Ben McLemore to be the shooting guard of the future.
I really like Perry Jones and Jeremy Lamb. I think they could do very well with some playing time. Those two guys with Kyrie, Waiters, Zeller, TT, and now Steven Adams and Peyton Siva looks like a great young core.
I'm not going to neg you. Just don't see why the Cavs would do this trade. Do you think Jeremy Lamb will be better than McLemore? That's the only way this trade would make sense. Perry Jones is still a giant question mark, and remember his physical from last year's draft-he has structural issues with his knee. And Varejao's contract isn't desriable for this squad, but Perkins is ten times worse.
I say trade a couple of their key players for Toronto's first round pick next year lol
That's a good question. I don't see nerlens as the guy they need in this draft. Maybe trade down with Portland to get batum or LA.Portland needs a center and I don't see LA sticking around. That would give Cleveland a good core with kyrie waiters Aldridge and varajio. Then maybe pickup shabazz or tony snell to play the 3
Don't trade and draft Otto Porter. Nerlen's Noel is a high risk/high reward player. Similar to how Drummond was viewed last year. And what happened to Drummond? He fell to 9. Yes Drummond shut the critics up but Drummond is a man child at 6'11 270 lbs. Noel is 6'11 206 lbs with no offense and won't be available to play until Christmas. Injury prone bigs are a bad investment. Look at Sam Bowie, Greg Oden, Pervis Ellison, Olowakandi, I could go on and on
dude, you've been all over porter, ... he's not going to be that great man. he can be a solid rotation player for a team, but there is absolutely nothing that says this kid will be an allstar type player. hes a good defender, good passer, but his jumpshot looks horrid and hes not fast.
if youve got the number one pick that usually means the player will be a franchise changer, and for that to happen you need to draft a player that can do that. Noel will also probably be an elite interior defensive presence in the nba, something the cavaliers desprately need.. i think its a no brainer that he's the pick.
I never said Porter would be great. Just because I would take him number one doesn't mean i'm his biggest fan. Its a matter of drafting the BPA or need in a draft like this. If the Magic would have got the number oen pick would you take Noel or Burke? It would boil down to BPA or need. Noel could end up being another injury prone big thats a bust or the next great defensive big. The Cavs aren't that far from being a playoff team. Why draft a project that won't be available to play until december when you can get the BPA. The Cavs already have Kyrie as their franchise player. I don't see Noel being a franchise changer unless he picks up some weight.
no, the topics and all your recent posts saying hes awesome do that man.. you think porter is the BPA over mclemore? no way.
and your argument for need. the cavaliers BIGGEST need is an interior defensive presence. still makes no sense for porter.
Where did I say he was awesome? I just said why can't he go number one. Everybody says to draft Noel but why? Because everybody says to do so? And I wouldn't knock drafting Mclemore. I just don't get why you would go so high last year to draft somebody in Waiters that you plan on bringing off the bench just to draft somebody that plays the exact same position as him in this years draft in Mclemore. Like I said, the fact all these threads about trading the number one pick shows how much the Cavs rather trade down and get somebody else. If the Cavs were that sold on Noel people wouldn't be suggesting this.
why draft noel? because he's a great defensive big man, and that is the cavaliers biggest weakness and biggest need. even bigger than at SF
for the cavs... BPA=mclemore
biggest need = noel
not otto porter.
cj miles(who had a great year) and alonzo Gee are decent defenders.. its not like their completely hurting for SF help
"Like I said, the fact all these threads about trading the number one pick shows how much the Cavs rather trade down and get somebody else."
you mean this thread were on here, and the other one, saying they should trade it to detroit for drummond so detroit can draft porter, which you started? cmon man your perception is so flawed. Dan Gilbert looked pretty damn happy last night when he won it.
Can anybody read lol? Go back to my thread on if you were the pistons GM and show me where i said I WOULD trade Porter for Drummond? I asked would people do it. I even said "I wouldn't do this but I just want to see how people value Porter and Drummond respectively."
dude you are a joke and by far the most dumb biased person on this site.. im done replying to your incredibly dumb posts.
lol if you say so. Try reading carefully next time before you respond
i read carefully, and i feel like i was reading the words of a complete idiot, who thinks that porter is better than mclemore and the cavs biggest need is at SF.. have you even watched a cavaliers game this year?
maybe you should avoid starting dumb as &$#%#&@! topics like the detroit drummond one.
So are you playing Mclemore at the 3? Or are you bringing Waiters off the bench? And in the 2009 draft the Grizzlies drafted Thabeet. Why? Was he BPA or was it a Need? Where is Thabeet now? Chilling on the bench. He was another potential great defensive big that went high but no results. I don't watch the Cavs like that so i'm sure you do have more insight than I do. I just see Noel as bust potential.
as i said in the previous post that they will and should take noel. mclemore is the best player in this draft. or can you not read?
No what I was asking was would you play Mclemore at the 3 or bring Waiters off the bench? If they are drafting BPA then that means taking Mclemore correct? I'm not knocking you for taking Noel. I just feel that they should take Porter. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions
I definitely think that Porter would be great fit for the Cavs. Him being a prototypical SF is a start- and yes esperanza, the Cavs are desperate for a 3-but he also would help develop a team-first culture in Cleveland. As much as a love Kyrie, he still has a ways to go as a playmaker. His team sucks so I understand why he shoots as much as he does, but it's still important not to fall into bad habits and hamper development as a PG. I also believe that Waiters has room to grow, but he also needs to dial down the shooting.
Porter is a good passer who will help fill the holes on both sides of the ball.
If you HONESTLY believe CJ Miles or Alonzo Gee are starting caliber players....stop.
I could see the Cavs doing that trade with OKC just to stick it to Miami. That trade would make the thunder the title favorite as well as give Cleveland the best young core in the league. Then the Cavs could get a small forward in the 2014 which should be one of the deepest draft for small forwards in history.
The only two players that I've heard they have interest in is Kevin Love and LaMarcus Aldridge. Personally, I think they should let the offers come to them since they've made it known they're willing to deal the pick. That way they have the upper hand in making any deals.
To be honest I think they should just draft Porter at #1 and grab a defensive center later on by trading up with their remaining picks. They get a surefire contributor with very very low bust potential, and a glove-like fit as a 3rd or 4th scoring option with defensive capabilities. They're biggest need from a front court standpoint is rim protection. That could be easily addressed in the late lottery/mid first rd.
Cavs get: Kanter and 14.Pick of Jazz
Jazz get: 1st Pick (McLemore)
How about sending it on over with Varejao to ATL for the 17th pick and josh Smith (sign n trade)
Free agency doesn't start til July. Draft is in June
this is a great idea, and i wouldnt be suprised at all if this happened, unless atlanta is serious about dwight.
How about this trade.
to Kings for:
Salmons (contract expires after 2014-15 season)