I Was Asked To Find Video Evidence That Vassilis Spanoulis Is "Quick And Athletic Enough" To Play In NBA - Here It Is
These forums are full of people saying Vassilis Spanoulis is "not quick enough, is not fast enough, can't guard any point guards, and is not athletic enough to play in the NBA."
This is of course a lie and untrue. Anyway, I asked for anyone here saying this to prove it, and of course NONE of them could even make a point or an argument, since of course it isn't true.
Anyway, despite that being proven as no one saying this could even begin to make a single point showing he isn't, some demanded I prove he is with "video evidence".......
Here it is in YouTube:
NBA Draft forums members:
"Not athletic enough for NBA". "Not quick enough for NBA". "Not fast enough for NBA".
"Can't guard any NBA point guards"........................................
You're hopeless. Who cares about Spanoulis? He could have been a decent NBA player, it didn't work out, get over it. Seriously, get a life, read a book, pick a flower, try yoga; anyways, forget about BB and Nbadraft.net for a while, it would do wonders for your mental health.
Seriously, noone cares.
It is that life is much easier when you have a tank to set picks for you. Sofoklis Schortsanitis was that tank. Most people agreed Vas could play in the NBA and the athleticism thing is pretty much something you created to keep making these obnoxious posts. If people keep bringing it up, maybe just think to yourself, "Do I really care about these peoples opinion? Do they know what they are talking about?"
Those last two questions are something I answered a long time ago with you to a resounding no. You may know a little bit about what you are talking about, it is just that you are completely impossible to have a respectful, meaningful discussion with, which makes your opinion sort of null and void. It is not because you are Greek, it is more because you are a biased, childish, unreasonable character who would rather state problems than do anything to educate or solve them.
If people fought against racism used your tactics, the world would be in a pitiful, awful place, much worse than it is now. The fact that you have no real end game to your madness, by your stance of hating the NBA and feeling it is inferior, yet constantly stating that you feel some of the best players in Europe are wronged by not playing there is reason enough to make you a colossal troll until you change your attitude.
Here is a nice article from Michael Lee explaining quite a bit about why Spanoulis chose to leave the NBA. Had nothing to do with athleticism, more so that he did not want to wait around and keep gambling that he would get his break. Quite similar to JC Navarro, who left after one (pretty decent) year on the Grizzlies. Also, Rudy Fernandez constantly wanted to get his big break, yet had numerous opportunities and seemed to lose confidence, never really seizing them. Well, check it out, from 2008:
So, seems like it was a choice. Van Gundy may have screwed him over his rookie season, wouldn't doubt that being true. The thing is, many European players have had to make a transition process and from what I have heard, Spanoulis did not exactly have the best attitude as to dealing with it. His play during his time in the NBA, unfortunately, does little to help your case with people completely unfamiliar with him otherwise. These people may not know what they are talking about, though I am guessing they are also sick of your schtick and being berated regardless of what they believe or know.
Well, glad the 2006 Greek victory over Team USA brings you so much joy to this day, even after losing in 2008, 2010 and of course not making the Olympic field in 2012. Was a shame that you never really bring up how that tournament ended. See folks, in the 2006 World Championships, Pau Gasol was playing his @ss off. He was looking like the best player in the tournament for the most part. During Spain's semi-final against Argentina, Pau broke his foot.
This meant, Spain was without their best player (and European Basketballer, do not give me $hit about this, because Pau was playing amazing basketball in this tournament and was their best player bar none), for their finals match-up against Greece. Well, turns out that Greece must have lost a lot of energy during their USA upset, because they lost to Spain 70-47 in the Gold Medal game regardless. As you will see, Spanoulis, coming off an amazing performance against Team USA, had 4 points on 1/10 FG in this one.
Juan Carlos Navarro scored 20, Jorge Garbajosa had 20 and 10, Pau was watching from the sidelines. Greece beat the USA, but they did not finish the job. Also, while Navarro and Garbajosa may not have been better players than Spanoulis, they certainly had better games. Not to mention, better stints in the NBA. Guess you will argue that Spanoulis is in his prime now and this is BS. Well, Greece beat that Team USA 7 years ago, and a lot of those players are in their prime now as well not to mention their have been much better US teams since than. In conclusion, you may not be a liar European Basketballer, you do leave a lot of things out.
What is this nonsense? If you must know, the Greek coach admitted to the Greek press that he let the team party all night after the win against the US, because the team was happy and wanted to celebrate. The story is the whole team, except Papaloukas, stayed out all night and got drunk.
So that's what happened in the final. You can't really blame them. They were happy with the win and in an online poll Greeks voted it as the greatest accomplishment the country ever had in sports. Even over winning the 2004 European championship in football.
It would have been nice to win the final, but I can't really blame the team for wanting to celebrate that win. Because no one believed they could win that game.
You know, take accountability? Your story deserves 0 sympathy. The win was amazing but they still had a job to do. These guys are professional basketball players and as amazing of an accomplishment as beating Team USA was, it is a complete it is a cop out to blame losing to Spain on partying. The fact that you can state this story and not flat out shake your head and admit that they should have maybe waited until after the tournament adds another notch in your troll belt. Plus, you always believe in them winning, even when they have lost. So, you can stop now.
You're just highlighting a game 7 years ago. Yes, 7 years ago. It's pretty weak your "proof" is holding on to a good game 7 years ago while overlooking two bad ones 4 years ago and 2 1/2 years ago.
How about the last 2 meetings of Greece vs. Team U.S.A.
The 2008 Olympics. 14 points on 4-13 shooting. A 20+ point victory for Team U.S.A.
The 2010 FIBA Championships. 7 points 7 TO's. A 20+ point victory for Team U.S.A
I would burst in to mad computer laughter, but I really don't care that much.
What the hell is wrong with you? The game in 2010 was NOT the FIBA World Championship. Stop LYING.
It was a friendly exhibition and everyone knows that Greece didn't try at all in that game and had no intention to win the game. You know, because they had that huge brawl with Serbia just right before that game, where they had the huge fight and it was all over world news.
You know where Krstic hit Bourousis in the head with the chair. Greece knew players were getting suspended, FIBA said they would suffer with reffing for it, and the Greek and world press was crucifying them day and night over it. Even the players were getting death threats.
Yeah, like they were even freaking trying in that game.
Are you SERIOUS? You are bringing that up as some kind of proof of something? And it was NOT even a real game. It was an exhibition game genius. Had nothing to do with World Cup.
You must be on drugs if you are trying to claim that game as some kind of proof. GET REAL. Greece's coach even admitted the team didn't even try in that game and he didn't expect them to with all the crap that was going on. There were even some reports they would get kicked out of the World Cup tournament at that point.
You also pretty much prove you don't know anything at all about international basketball and are just talking crap. Because anyone that follows international basketball would know that....
1. That was a friendly and NOT an actual game.
2. That the game happened right after the Greece - Serbia brawl and that Greece as a team could barely even muster the morale to show up for the game, which they actually wanted to cancel. But they only played as a courtesy to the US team.
And it's funny because ESPN was covering the Greece - Serbia brawl a lot and yet you don't even seem to know about it. And ESPN also aired that game and if you had seen it you would have KNOWN it was a friendly game and NOT an official game and that it had nothing to do with the World Cup.
Seems like you don't know much about Team USA either.
And on the 2008 Olympics game genius, USA used Kobe to guard Spanoulis one to one in the first quarter and he could not do it. So they trapped and double teamed Spanoulis most of the rest of the game.
14 points against that was an outstanding game. And yeah, he was the ONLY player USA doubled in the Olympics.
Nice try at trolling though.
The tournament itself is call the FIBA World Championships. An exhibition game in the FIBA World Championships is still in the FIBA World Championships.
Since the U.S. and Greece don't play each other much, there is very little "proof" and citing the 2008 Olympics and Spanoulis' 31% shooting night and an exibition game in the 2010 FIBA is just as much proof that Spanoulis hasn't had a lot of success against the U.S. as citing an Olympic game from 7 years ago. They've played 3 times, he had one good game, one very inefficent game and one bad game, whether you claim he was trying or not.
But then again, Greece never tries in international competition and even Kobe can't stop Spanoulis seem like more compelling aruements for an angry child such as yourself. You're pretty funny.
Please enlighten me about team U.S.A. You've never exhibited any knowledge of the NBA or it's players. Please tell me about American ball players, I would LOVE to hear your original scouting reports and observations.
That game in 2010 was NOT a FIBA World Championship game. It was a friendly exhibition game that no one from Greece cared about. STOP trolling.
The game in 2006 was NOT an Olympics game.
You CLEARLY don't know anything about international basketball, or even Team USA. You have exposed yourself here enough already. No point in discussing more with you because you are doing nothing but trolling.
Oops, typo there on my part. Everyone knows team USA wasn't trying in 2006 they were very upset and they had been partying the night before. Only a fool would think they actually lost a basketball game without some major excuse! I never claimed to be an expert on international ball, but I can look at win loss records and know someone is a bull&$#%#&@! for having a major excuse for everytime yheir team loses.
I sincerely wished Spanoulis stayed in the NBA more than a partial season. But as stated above, he and JCN had a hard time being doubted by the coaching staffs. Its a crappy occurance that happens in global sports- star players can't handle being a marginalized in another country.
Not sure why Euro Baller can't make a thread about that topic without getting all vindictive.
If he would have stuck it out he and Ginobili could have made one of the greatest bench tandems of the decade
You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!
Vassi this season in Euroleague is averaging 2 rebounds, 1 steal, and ZERO blocks per game, playing 29 minutes. Let's bump those numbers up a bit to give him starter 36 minutes for an NBA game. Even if all of his stats translated into the much more athletic NBA game without any decrease (which is a big if), then he would be getting 2.4 rebounds, 1.2 steals and still zero blocks. Athletes don't put up numbers that bad. Athletes grab rebounds, steal the ball, and block shots. Only the oldest or slowest PGs currently in the league put up numbers like that. And those guy have all the tricks and the respect of the refs. This guy is not athletic enough now to come to the NBA and be successful.
Vassi is probably comparable to Derek Fisher in athletic ability right now. Their stats are actually quite similar when we look at rebounding, steals and blocks. Fredette also is nice comparison. And probably very similar in their scoring ability. So if you are saying could he play in the NBA and it wouldn't be a disaster, then I guess so. Neither OKC or the Kings lose the second Fisher or Fredette get on the court. But there would be no point to coming here. Vassi would just be mediocre.
And here come the racists again........yeah sure buddy.
"Spanoulis isn't athletic".......that's why he's one of only two players (and the only perimeter one) in Euroleague that gets double teamed............RIGHT, no athletic ability at all, yet every team double teams him, when they do NOT double anyone else.
Makes sense. I mean seeing how Goran Dragic, Jose Calderon, Pablo Prigioni, Ricky Rubio, Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, Gary Neal, Brian Roberts.......etc. seeing how all those guys are NBA point guards and how they all were worse Euroleague players than Spanoulis - and how NONE of them EVER was double teamed...
Right pal. Makes sense. Totally makes sense how Spanoulis would have BETTER stats in Euroleague than any of them being double teamed, while they were not double teamed.....make sense. Seeing how he can't play in the NBA, yet they all play in the NBA.
Stop the drugs man. Seriously.
You really are stupid. Spanoulis is way more athletic than Chris Paul.
I'd comment but I'm having trouble seeing the screen through my tears. You know, the one I shed because I laughed too hard at "Spanoulis is way more athletic than Chris Paul."
or you are lying. One or the other. NONE of them were EVER double teamed? You sir are an idiot.
Thanks to you, I now hate Greek people.
You don't watch NBA ball, at all. Check out how athletic Chris Paul is
Less athletic than Spanoulis for sure.
Being quick with the ball in your hand is not the end all and be all of athletic ability. Depsite being 3 inches shorter, Paul distributes frequent above the rim plays, quicker end to end speed. I'm not one of the ones who said Spanoulis is slow, but he's not faster than Paul and he rarely drives and dunks on people. Athletically, he is like a stronger Steve Nash. Below the rim player and quick with the ball in his hand, but he's not a leaper, especially now at 30.
Not that we need to feed the troll, but you don't need use video for this. Stats tell the story (as well as watching about five seconds of game footage).
CP3 Career per 36 numbers:
4.3 rebounds, 2.4 steals, 0.1 blocks. Notice how they are worlds better than Vassi's stats.
Athletes do athletic things, things that end up getting recorded in the hustle stats in the box score. Athletically Vassi projects to be a marginal player in the NBA. Why do that when he can be a star in his home country? I'm sure there are NBA teams that know about this guy (probably all of them actually) and if he wanted to come over again and play for a modest salary he probably could. The Knicks just hired Prigioni, I'm sure they would have considered Vassi.
But he would have had to make up for his lack of athleticism once he got here.
Lets talk about baby Shaq! Haha I remember him dominating the US in that game he was physical as hell