The Lakers and Celtics look like they are both on the downswing. The Lakers post-Magic didn't recover until they signed Shaq in 1996.
The Celtics didn't recover from the post-Larry Bird era (McHale retired and Reggie Lewis died) until 2008 which was about 15 years.
If I were the Celtics I would look at getting Chris Paul. A good deal for the Clippers would be Chris Paul going to Boston to team with Paul Pierce and KG plus some of the other guys and send Rajon Rondo to the LA Clippers.
The Clips could also ask for some other pieces like the C's 16th pick next year or another young guy like Jeff Green or Jared Sullinger. Not sure the Celtics would give up Jeff Green. I think sending the Celtics Chris Paul, Caron Butler, Matt Barnes, the 25th pick and a future second round pick to the Clippers for Rondo, Jeff Green, Jared Sullinger, and the 16th pick would be a very good trade for both teams.
The Celtics would get another veteran star to complement KG and PP.
New Celtics rotation:
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Courtney Lee
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Brandon Bass
C: Kevin Garnett
PG: Avery Bradley
SG: Jason Terry
SF: Caron Butler/Matt Barnes
Big: Jeff Withey or Dieng (25th pick)
C: Fab Melo
New Clippers Team:
PG: Rajon Rondo
SG: Eric Bledsoe
SF: Jeff Green
PF: Blake Griffin
C: DeAndre Jordan
PG: Chauncey Billups
SG: Jamal Crawford
SF: Willie Green/free agent
PF: Jared Sullinger
C: Ryan Hollins/16th pick
The Celtics would have a big, tough, talented, veteran team to make a run. CP3, PP, and KG would all work well together and they would still have Brandon Bass, Caron Butler, Courtney Lee, Avery Bradley, Matt Barnes, and Jason Terry as rotation guys.
The Clippers would have an exciting, up and down team featuring the two man show of Rondo and Blake with the rest of the young core featuring DeAndre Jordan, Jeff Green, Eric Bledsoe, and Jared Sullinger (low post scoring) with Jamal Crawford as a great sixth man and Billups as a steady veteran off the bench.
I think this trade makes both teams better. The Celtics get a guy who can help PP and KG make one more run. The Clippers get a guy who can work well with Lob City for YEARS.
Paul and barnes are both unrestricted free agents who have their say on where they go. If I'm the clips and Paul wants to stay, I keep him and make him the face of the franchise and build around him. If he wants out, then of course this would be a great deal with Boston to get that much back in return. But Paul would have to choose Boston and seeing how many teams will go after him there's no gaurantee he goes to an old squad where he will play his prime years with 35 year olds.
This is worst trade ideo if seen in anwhile and I thought about some by myself...
Of course, Chris Paul will dictate where he wants to go, but he should at least take a look at Boston. He can play with two all-time greats and give it one more run with them. I think the Clippers need some more firepower or something. That team is not clicking.
A Celtics team with CP3 leading the way would be awesome in the half court with Paul Pierce and KG as the primary go-to guys. Then you have Avery Bradley for backcourt defense. He might complement CP3 better than Eric Bledsoe. I think CP3 would help Courtney Lee get his game back on track. Then the C's could bring Matt Barnes and Caron Butler off the bench for toughness, defense, and scoring. I think this is a team that matches up pretty well with the Miami Heat.
On the other side, the Clippers get a great point guard to pair with Blake Griffin. Rondo likes to run and pass. Blake likes to run and dunk. Jeff Green should be a very good third option for them with DeAndre Jordan being more of a fourth or fifth option. They don't have any shooting in the starting lineup but they will still bring Jamal Crawford and Chauncey Billups off the bench. ... if they don't start Bledsoe then they can go with Willie Green as the nominal starter then go with a small-ball bench with Jared Sullinger being a solid low post scoring big man inside and some really talented guys on the perimeter.
The Clippers could have a crunch time lineup of Rajon Rondo, Jamal Crawford, Jeff Green, Blake Griffin, and DeAndre Jordan. Or, if they want to go small they can use a front court of Jeff Green, Jared Sullinger, and Blake Griffin. Or they can draft a guy like Giorgi Dieng at 16 with the Celtics' pick. That's a better show time type team that compete out West for the next several years.
I think that this trade would help both teams. It would give the Clippers a better identity as the New Showtime, it would give Chris Paul a couple of great weapons up in Boston and would allow the Celtics to keep KG and PP without them having to go through a rebuilding process. Then, once PP and KG retire they can rebuild around Chris Paul who should be a guy that can attract free agents. Not many guys want to go up to Boston, but CP3, Coach Doc Rivers, and the Celtics Mystique still count for something.
I agree that Chris Paul may not want to play with a couple of old guys, but CP3's knees aren't in their prime. Can Paul wait for DeAndre and Blake to get jump shots and post games? I am not seeing the Clippers path to the title unless they get some more weapons.
CP3, PP, and KG might be a better, well-rounded core for the next year or two. They would still have some size inside with Brandon Bass to pair with KG and could use a draft pick on a big man (or watch Fab Melo develop). They would still have some great depth on the wing with Bradley, Courtney Lee, Jet, Matt Barnes, and Caron Butler who come over from LAC.
Chris Paul would be a leader of a great half court attack. His game now may be better suited for East Coast basketball now anyway.
So are you suggesting a CP3 for Rondo swap or are there more pieces? Doesn't matter regardless cuz Rondo is going nowhere and CP3 is a free agent.
Chris Paul should stay out west. I'm almost certain he will return to LA. But i wouldn't be surprised if a team like Dallas pushed hard for him
His style of play will make him effective longer than Paul. CP3 takes his team where in the post season? No excuse this year he had help.
I'm a fan of Rondo, but he is unlikely to ever be as effective as Paul, and is less likely to be as effective for as long. Rondo is younger, but Paul is less reliant on athleticism. Paul's great jump shooting and his savvy in the halfcourt will allow him to be effective for a long time. Plus, Rondo was the Celtics fourth best starter when they won the championship and their third best when they lost in the Finals. Chris Paul has been the man for his teams.
Still, I agree Rondo is going nowhere, as the Celtics are unlikely to get equal value for him and his style of play doesn't fit with every team in the league.
Horrible trade 4 da Clips, Rondo does not make the Clippers a better squad. CP3 is the better player why would the Clips trade him for a lesser PG doesn't make sense. How about D.Jordan, Bledsoe & Clips '13 1st round pick for Marc Gasol. Clips solify their front court which is their biggest need and the Grizz get younger as ZBo is getting up there in age and acquire the best back up PG in the game in Bledsoe make sense to me.
Why would the Grizzlies trade their best player on both ends of the floor for a guy to back-up Conley for a year (Bledsoe would leave the Grizzlies in free agency after the season), a below-average starting center, and a late first rounder? The Grizzlies are a championship contender next year, maybe not the favorite, but one of the top five contenders. That trade kills the Grizz in both the short and long term.
I can ask the same thing on the Clips part why would they trade the best PG in the game for a PG coming off a major injury. Anyhow, Jordan might develop a post game working under Hollins and he's a decent defensive big so he can at least do that. Also, they can trade Bledsoe and that 1st rounder for a lotto pick and draft their future SF
The Clippers would have a very hard time putting points on the board with that lineup
I know you are trying to think of a way the Celtics can continue to be good post Pierce and KG, but if you look at their roster right now, you'll see that they have already prepared for this!
Rondo, Lee, Green, Sullinger, Melo
Bradley, Terry, FA, Bass, FA
That team can make the playoffs, especially in the East, probably not a championship, but they will at least make the playoffs. And who knows they might be able to draft a guy that falls out of the lottery like Steven Adams, Ricardo Ledo, or MC Williams! They might even be able to land Al Jefferson or Millsap via free agency! So I think they will be fine without CP3, Butler and/or Barnes.
I think Blake would be better with an up-tempo point guard. CP3 is in his prime or just past but Blake and DeAndre aren't there yet.
Rondo might be the better point guard in five years.
Rondo, Jamal Crawford, Jeff Green, Blake, and DeAndre would be a great core team with scorers and athletes. Bledsoe would be another good rotation guy with Jared Sullinger inside. This might be a better team in terms of speed and defense.
I just thought the Clippers had a lot of holes that were exposed in the playoffs.
This newer version is younger and quicker.
In Boston, Chris Paul would have plenty of weapons with Garnett, Pierce, Jet, Caron Butler, Bass,
Bradley, and Courtney Lee. They would still have a draft pick and the MLE.
CP3 is far from past his prime dude is only 27 yrs old same as LeBron. Anyhow, the only thing that was exposed about the Clips was how their big man stinks especially their C's. That being the case trading for a C like Gasol would be better than trading for PG like Rondo. A starting line up of
Is as good as any in the west.
We won't trade Big Marc for that.
As a guy who watched the Clips I think they are flawed and the need some more assets. But, do they
get younger or do the get guys in win-now more?
I guess I just like Rajon Rondo a lot and would like to see the Clippers run more. Then I can see a Chris Paul,
Pierce, and KG trio competing for the Eastern Conference Finals the next couple of years. Then when PP and KG
quit they could build around Chris Paul, Avery Bradley, and Coach Doc Rivers.
I don't see Chris Paul wining a title with Blake, DeAndre, and the rest of Lob City.
The Clippers do run... That's why we lost. Because we run and have no half-court offense.....
For the most part this yr Clips team is the same team that beat the Grizz last yr in the playoffs with the exceptions of our back up big men from last season Reggie Evans & KMart both of whom punked ZBO around last yr. This yr Clips squad lack the toughness that Evans and Kmart brought last playoffs against the Grizz. Again, Marc would be awesome addition to the Clips arguably make them the top team in the west. I know DJ isn't great but Memphis is a small market team that could very well be force to move Gasol like they where with Gay. Jordan, Bledsoe & 1st rounder would be a solid return for the Grizz for Gasol. U can forget about moving CP3 Clips will never trade him he's the face of the franchise and a top 5 player in the league dude ain't going nowhere.