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I still believe in Tony Wroten and Perry Jones

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I still believe in Tony Wroten and Perry Jones

Both Tony Wroten and Perry Jones can be flat out bust if they don't develop properly. But they also can both easily be high level NBA Players if they do develop properly.

1. Tony Wroten is very intriguing to me because he is a big point guard who has been blessed with great physical tools ( example: great height, size, length, strength, and athleticism ). I also think that he has the potential to be a special and elite Gary Payton type of individual defender. When he at times embraces being a tough defender, he simply looks outstanding because he has great lateral quickness, can change directions with-in difficult angles with ease, has great hands that allows him to get a lot of deflections, can guard multiple positions ( pg, sg, and sf ) and has a gary payton like mindset that allows him to defend with a lot of swagger, toughness, heart, and fearlessness. He also has the ability to create scoring opportunities for himself at a very high level when needed because of his good scoring instincts, very good ball handling skills, and ability to finish around the rim in very creative and athletic ways. And as we all know his passing ability and anticipation skills as a passer will give him the opportunity to be a great creator of offense for others who can at times create something out of nothing because he can utilize a natural sense of timing that allows him to make plays before the defense can adjust ( example of Tony's passing skills- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHo5N37wcDI )

My problem with tony is that he is an extremely erratic and streaky shooter. He is simply what I call a hope shooter, in which at times he shoots the ball hoping it will go inside the rim with-out consistently utilizing the needed shooting skill level that will maximize his accuracy. He also at this point of his career is an erratic decision maker who struggles to consistently make the simple play. Also tony has a long way to go before he can consistently and efficiently become a point guard who can control the game from the point guard position at a very high level (example: how to dictate pace and tempo, directing offensive formations, making sure players get the ball in areas where they can be efficient and effective as offensive players, being a coach on the floor, being a vocal leader, knowing when and how to feed the hot hand, consistently making intelligent decisions, etc )

Tony is extremely talented and easily has the potential to be a very good starting point guard in the NBA if he can develop into a better shooter, develop into better decision maker, and develop into a true point guard who can run a team in a very efficient matter.

2. The more I watch Perry Jones play the more I realize that it is very unlikely that he becomes a bust. Because he has very good all-around skills, possesses great versitilty, and is a special/great athlete. He also is very unselfish and is a player who always challenges himself to make the simple and needed play. For example, skills wise he can do everything good, but not great, he shows tremendous potential as a shooter and can finish lay-ups around the rim at a very high level through utilizing his great athleticism, touch, and body control. He has underrated and pretty good scoring skills, he has underrated and pretty good post skills, he's a good ball-handler and passer, he can move well with-out the ball, and has decent footwork and decent shot preparation skills coming off screens and pin-downs. He can even act as a primary ball handler with-in pick & roll situations. Where he has a good feel for when to pass, shoot, or drive with-in pick & roll situations. To me Perry Jones doesn't really struggle with his overall skill level or physical skills/tools. His main problem is his mental skills/ability. He lacks that mental toughness, swagger, extreme confidence, and fearless attitude that's needed to develop into a great basketball player. But similar to Scottie Pippen and Tracy Mcrady who were the same way early in their career. The more confident Perry becomes through experiencing success, the better he will become as a player.


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Me too, lol

Tried to post a picture and failed....Face Palm!!!

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My Take on Jones

Perry Jones III is certainly not a bust. A guy drafted at #28 who doesn't produce is just a player that didn't turn out, but I do think Jones will have a decent career as a pick and pop stretch 4. He hates contact, and isn't really willing to get dirty around the rim, but there is a distinct role in today's NBA for a mobile player with a nice shot to play the pick and pop game. What Perry can do is hit that 15 footer and handle the ball well enough to give a fake and drive, and I suspect he'll have a long career coming off the bench and playing that kind of game.

What I think keeps him from becoming a very good player is that he's horrendous on defense, again because of his unwillingness to get physical. He was one of the best pure athletic talents in the Big 12 during his two years and his defense was pretty sorry, as were his shot blocking numbers. Thomas Robinson and the Morris twins flat out owned that guy for two years and they are role players at an NBA level. I see PJIII maybe having some good years at around 8 ppg 4 rpg or 10 ppg 5 rpg which is fantastic production for a guy drafted 28th. I just think that those still holding on for him to be 7' T-Mac or shot creating three position palyer are going to be very very very very disappointed.

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The thing with Tony is that

The thing with Tony is that he gets to the basket at will, but he rarely finishes. I watched every memphis summer league game and he looked amazing being able to get to the basket but he could never finish the layup.

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I disagree with you JoeWolf1

Perry jones is in know way the next T-mac. But his skill level is comparable in my opinion to Lamar Odom, Tim Thomas, and Rashard Lewis. And he also has the freakish athleticism that is comparable to darius miles and tyrus thomas.

Perry Jones in my opinion can be as good or great as he wants to be. He has an impressive package of skills and physical tools. He just needs to develop the needed confidence and mental toughness that will help him utilize and take advantage of the special talent that he has been blessed with.

The real truth is that his growth/development into a dynamic combo forward was stunted a little bit when he played for Baylor, because he played out of position at Baylor where he was asked to play more like a center. Where the skills that he possesses is geared more to playing more like a versatile small forward who can play power forward at times based on the match-up.

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I've noticed you give a lot

I've noticed you give a lot of guys the benefit of the doubt when talking about assertiveness issues or past attitude problems. That's great that you are so positive, but the real truth of the matter is that a lot of guys don't maximize their potential. As good as he wants to be? Perry improved very little between his freshman and sophomore year in college, his stock plummeted and he looked unimpressive in a D-League role last season. I think he can find a nitch because of his jack of all trades master or none style offensive game paired with his height and athletic ability, but I think it's safe to say Perry Jones III hasn't really shown a lot since high school and your stance is more a leap of faith because you like or are rooting for him.

You failed to mention his inability to guard anyone. No defense guys can find a role in the league, but it's usually not starting unless they are so good offensively and Jones is not that caliber of an offensive player. PJIII has the athletic ability to guard 3 positions, but he can't guard any at an NBA level. At least not yet, and bad defensive players are often made because of the lack of willingness to get dirty, and that is a quality I've never seen in Perry.

That's great that you have faith in Perry Jones III, but I think he's going to be a pick and pop role player. He does a few things well on the offensive end, can't guard anyone and has shown very little improvement during the 3 seasons I've watched him.

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Hey Joe, quick question

What's a guy like Jones III worth to the Thunder???

Let's say I'm the 76ers GM Sam Hinkie and I'm asking you about PJIII, what's your asking price right now???

Just curious...

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I'd go straight up for Arnett

I'd go straight up for Arnett Moultie.

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What if i wanted to keep Moultrie???

Would you take Lavoy Allen or Kwame Brown instead, both players are ready to help backup Ibaka and Perkins, Arnett is still very raw, bonus is Allen and Brown are both expiring contracts too...

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I'd do Allen and a 2nd round

I'd do Allen and a 2nd round pick. Lavoy doesn't have much upside, but I like him and he's a tough player.

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Tony Wroten and Perry Jones

Nice words, however good they were in high school...it was just high school. I believe Wroten was given some very bad advise about how ready he was for the NBA?. Yes Wroten has NBA speed, but he never hung around college long enough to develop a mid-range game, playing on the road in tough games, improving his role on the team. I member when he declared for the draft? I was thinking "not ready"!!! I wish Wroten would've stayed until at least his junior season. He would've developed a good all around game and became the leader of his team and we would've seen a different Wroten in the NBA.
Jones, just doesn't have the "meanest" to be a player in the league. Even at Baylor, he would disappear from the game. He's really a 6'11 guard that gets pushed around.

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