I love his potential and upside, but I also think that Andrew Wiggens might be a little overrated
I just think that as of right now Andrew Wiggens basketball talent is too much dependent on athleticism than basketball skills. I think he is mostly dependent on his great athleticism to score at a high level against highschool competition, and he must develop a higher skill level and better offensive footwork to have the same scoring success against similar athletes in the NBA. Athleticism can only take you so far when competing against the greatest basketball players in the world when playing in the NBA. When I judge how skilled a very athletic basketball player really is. I like to ask myself a simple question. How good will a very athletic player really be, if you turn him into a average athlete.
For example, one of my favorite players to watch and study is Larry Bird. I recommend that every young developing basketball player watch old tapes of Larry Bird Playing. You can learn so much from him as far as how he utilizes fundamentals, a high basketball I.Q, and a high all-around skill level to really play at an extremely high level without being a great athlete. He really helped me appreciate the need to master fundemental basketball skills
He's not overrated if you ask me, yes he relies heavily on athleticism but pretty much every great player has in high school(Kobe and LeBron). But when the game slows down you can see that he has a very nice looking jumper, has the ability to create his shot a little, has a couple good dribble moves, and moves very good without the ball which is how he gets alot of backdoor dunks. On defense the guy is a monster he swats every shot in sight and cleans the glass very good for a wing. He may not have the skill level that Jabari does but he's not that far away. He should be a superstar once his already solid frame fills out and continues to grow( he's already 6'8).
he has the nastiest spin move I've seen. Footwork is fine. Just needs to tighten up the handle. Maybe work on his PnR/PnP game a bit. Like one of the espy guys said, his midrange could use some work. And become a better passer (which is still and underrated aspect of his game), and he's right there. Very individually talented, and he will be some sick hybrid of tmac and VC.
Second post in a row I disagree with you. This time, you are more than a little bit off. Andrew Wiggins has vast potential and that would be with average athleticism, considering how good his post up and mid range game already are, not to mention his great motor, rebounding ability and defensive capabilities. You are so off base it's comical. How many NBA players solely have relied on their athleticism? Now, Wiggins could get to the league with just that but he is already so far advanced in other areas, it's a non issue. He is not a Larry Legend type player. If anything, he should study every piece of film on Michael Jordan he can find. Also, Larry had and has a basketball IQ unlike almost any human being ever and THAT cannot be taught. You are born with it.
No one is born with great understanding, great skills, or great work ethic. You learn and develop those qualities through your desire to be successful. Micheal Jordan or Larry Bird did not come into this world great basketball players. They made themselves into great basketball players through their desire to gain the necessary knowledge and understanding that would help them become great.
I'm sorry if I might of hurt some people's feelings, but you guys have to prepare yourselves to lower your expectations when it comes to judging the potential of Andrew Wiggens. He's talented, but he also has alot to work on inorder to become a great basketball player. Don't let the hoopmixtape's fool you. Andrew Wiggens is a great athlete who needs to continue to improve his overall all-around skill level to reach his full potential. I like to deeply and thoroughly study players and that is the conclusion I came up with through studying Andrew Wiggens. He's not close to where lebron james, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant,and Carmello Anthony, were at skills wise at the same age. I believe in his talent and potential, but you guys have to be realistic when it comes to judging a players skill level
Realistic Player Comparison:
Best Case Scenario: Micheal Kidd Gilchrist
Worst Case Scenario: Corey Brewer
Andrew Wiggins is suppose to be a junior in high school and he is still a better scorer right now than MKG
You're stupid , flat out.
Am I the only one that's noticed that it seems like every time he jumps he floats a little?
I don't think I've seen anyone do that since MJ. We've had a lot of great dunkers since the GOAT, but the athleticism that Wiggins has when he does a simple thing like a layup or jump shot is what really sets him apart.
I remember about a year ago when everyone said that the top 3 players in high school were:
1) Jabari Parker
2) Shabazz Muhammad
3) Andrew Wiggins
Everyone said that at that point in time Wiggins didn't have the skill yet to compliment his athleticism. Just judging from his last game on ESPN you can tell how far he's come and how much he's closed the skill gap with Jabari Parker especially since Parker was out for an injury.
I repeat. Shooting and handle wise Wiggins is not that far off from Parker and really just needs to develop his Bball IQ to become a complete player.
Dawg NO. Andrew Wiggins is much better than MKG any way you look at it.
Wiggins is a lock at number 1.
The way he moves, fluidity, athleticism, jumper... all better than MKG.
How is it possible to think this kid is overrated? And for god sakes will people stop comparing him to MKG!! Now everytime someone see's a prospect with a great motor that plays hard the comparison he gets is MKG? BTW I love MKG, but he needs to improve offensively alot... Andrew wiggins will be a star and he deserves all the props he gettin...
With all the focus coming down on highschoolers and fans developing serious attention span problem with recruits you start seeing people dismissing players ceilings based off how good they are now. Ie, shutting down how good a player will be without taking into account how much he will improve or when the players he is being compared to began finding their niche skill sets. Let him grow. Also, he is playing much more talented players than lebro and kobe did in high school, as they dominated public school leagues. There was not comparable league to the eybl back then either. This man is putting in similar work to these two at the same stage against more future div 1 and nab players than those two did.
Of course he needs to improve from what he is right now. He's in high school!! Haha. He has good lift on his jumper and good form. His handle is good but will eventually need to be tightened which I think will happen in college. Shows a bit of a post up game as a high schooler. Insane first step and leaping ability. Will need to get stronger but he is in high school.
Honestly, I really think you're trying too hard to be out of the box. I haven't seen a wing prospect as far along as Wiggins since Lebron. Now Wiggins is more like Durant than Lebron but there is almost no doubt in my mind that Wiggins will be as successful as Lebron and Durant in his own way. Maybe I am wrong but I that is how I feel.
Dude has the best name ever. Ask any fan of Orsen Scott Card
He's the boy wonder that will save us from the buggers.
Probably my favorite book from my childhood.
I sort of thought he might have been overrated too until I saw this game of his against St. Anthony's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keEGnzAhSgc (First quarter)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvGiMn_AP6g (Second quarter)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUvc2KbVRXs (Third quarter)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnFZIwWraf8 (Fourth quarter)
He's a much better shooter, shotcreator, ballhandler and team player than I thought. And wow is he a graceful and fast athlete. He is tremendous and lethal in the open court off the dribble and that skill is not to be underestimated.
No one is doubting that and of course a 17-year old does not possess his skill set or feel for the game. Nonetheless, saying that Andrew completely relies on athleticism is just not true. He is an incredibly rare athlete, but he also has a feel for the game and an ability to create and make shots that very few players possess. His outside shooting is a work in progress, but his shot does not have the hitch that Michael Kidd-Gilchrist possesses and it definitely appears that Andrew will be a much better mid-range/long distance shooter.
All in all, it appears that most of these comments you have made about him are based on highlight videos as opposed to real game film or situations. You can knock him down and say that he may not be as good if not for his athleticism, but the fact is he has it and he is really damn good. Their have been spectacular athletes who have not been able to do what Andrew does to cement the top spot in his high school class. The fact is, he has gone up against Jabari Parker last summer (when they were both healthy) and more than held his own.
Andrew Wiggins (no e) definitely has things to work on and a ways to go before he becomes an NBA superstar. What he does possess are tools that make becoming one a possibility. From the Jordan Brand Classic International game, to his time at Vaughan, to Huntington, to the Nike Global Challenge/Hoop Summit, playing for Team Canada at the U17 (when he was 15 years old)/U18 level and to his obviously dominant summer with CIA Bounce, he has managed to stand out with his ability to score, rebound and defend. He has also grown considerably in his confidence and ability, which seems to show he is putting in work.
I would love some actual basketball evidence as to why Andrew Wiggins is overrated as a prospect and what exactly will hold him back, because I have not seen any besides his not having the basketball IQ and skill set of Larry Bird. To which I say, who does? I will take Jabari's injury into account and I do feel he is still the best prospect after Wiggins in 2013, just think the gap has closed skill set wise. If you were at the Hoop Summit last year and saw NBA scouts buzzing about Andrew Wiggins performances over the week and in the game, than I think you might have a different expectation than Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Corey Brewer.
Yes Larry was not very athletic but he was a 6'9 220 small forward. That is common nowadays but back in his day most of the 3's where 6'5 - 6'7 200lbs. He had a major size advantage. He he was skilled highly. But he could overpower quicker people and wear them down.
The jumpshot is the ultimate equalizer, Larry had a high release and was deadly, combine that with his ability to pass and the ability to position himself for a rebound and you have a Top 10 player.
At a certain point in the L it comes down to making shots in the words of Doc Rivers, and that's why people like Kyrie Irving who lack Russell Westbrook's athleticism can thrive.