I like Andrew Wiggins...but
I'm not sure I'm buying into all this hype about him being the undisputed #1 pick and teams tanking for him and him being compared to Lebron and Durant in H.S.
Don't get me wrong his Athleticism is incredible/off the charts, but I honestly feel like this site and other draft evaluators are really trying to reach to find the next megastar..
Consider that this very site and Chad Ford and every other place said Shabazz Muhammed was a can't miss undisputed number 1 pick 2 years ago and he was being compared to Kobe. Not as much as Muhammed, but so was Cody Zeller the lock number 1 before the season
This site compares him to Scottie Pippen..but also says he doesn't have a great motor and looks disinterested which is always a Red Flag. I mean Idk about you guys but that's a best case scenario, maybe even a Tracy McGrady is a best case and I don't think those guys are leading you to a championship as "The man" You need either a.) A super Big man ie Shaq, Hakeem, Jabbar, Duncan or a Basketball freak of nature like a Durant or a Dirk who are like 7'0 super shooters or a once in a generation type talent like Magic, Jordan, Lebron, Bird
That being said this is going to be a great draft class I feel like Jabari Parker, Julius Randle, Marcus Smart and Andrew Wiggins are going to be great in the league so I'm not sold on Wiggins being the far and away number 1 pick after this college Season. I think Randle and Parker might have better college seasons.
Does anybody else agree?
I like Wiggins probably the most athletic kid ever to go along with his height and wingspan also he seems to have a good head on his shoulders so i think he will definitely succeed in the NBA where the spacing is better for great athletes...........Also i dont think that motor thing will be a problem when ever he plays good competition he wants to prove he is the best and in the NBA u will have to do that everynight..........He also dropped 56 after that negative report on him
Lebron James? He was arguably more athletic but also had a much better body coming in.
i wanna say i agree with you but i cant. You dont start hearing about teams tanking for anything less than a sure thing. I feel like Parker and Randle are solid top five potential but this guy andrew wiggins is creating a buzz that i have not seen from an amateur basketball player since LeBron. When roughly 75% of nba scouts and gms agree on a players potential, it means that smart money would also be betting with the majority.
Breese your analysis is solid I'm not gonna lie but I will still disagree. For one while you are right that Bazz what considered a top 3 lock, his class was considered weak overall. Similarly while Zeller was considered a top 2 lock at some point, he was NOT considered the prospect that Wiggins is.
Well he sure is the number 1 pick right now and that might not change, but Randle and Parker I think might have a better college season
I'm going to have to disagree. As far as I can see this kid is the real deal, and his hype, game, and attitude just aren't comparable to having another Shabazz, I mean sure it's possible, but I disagree with you.
Those are all def fair assessments and I do like Andrew Wiggins Potential.
I don't know if I agree with the notion that if scouts all have a consensus that a player is the real deal or we wouldn't have busts like Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, Milicic, Olawakandi etc. I think scouting honestly is a mix of skill and popularity at the time.
Sometimes I feel like some prospects get a lot of hype and then if that prospect does anything close to the hype all the scouts go crazy.
I'm not saying he will be bad by any means, I actually think he can be really good, and enjoy watching his highlights but while being super athletic is a big neutralizer, I feel like you need a lot more than that once you make it to the top level or people like Herald Minor and Darius Miles would be good..again not comparing Wiggins to them.
I think he will be a 19 to 20ppg, 6 reb, 4 ast type of player but not a Lebron or Durant or Carmelo, Wade type of player statistics wise.
I think he will be closer to the Penny Hardaway level type of player..not a comparison of skill just a comparison of NBA level player..and Penny is one of my all time favs
Wade type of statistics? Wade fills the stat sheet even now, past his prime, and 4 or 5 years ago he would go for 30 points, 5 boards 5 assists and a couple steals. If Wiggins get anything like that then why the hell wouldnt you want that on your team?
Kwame Brown wasn't a consensus #1 pick, it was down to him and Tyson Chandler, could've went with either.
I think Wiggins is so good his floor is basically Rudy Gay who is obv pretty good
I have to disagree man...the scouts are USUALLY right and all these teams tanking is just proof of how good he is.
With the salary cap, you have to put together the best roster for the least amount of money. And so through the draft you can basically get a superstar for free (if your lucky). Even if Wiggins ends up being Luol Deng, thats still a good asset to have.
I also think that Randle and Parker will be all-stars in this league as well...Even players like Noah Vonleh, WIllie Cauley-Stein, and Harrison could be stars....So its not only Wiggins, but hes a huge reason.
Would you honestly pick anyone else #1?
Also I don't want to conffuse people I'm not really debating how good he will be, I'm just saying he's not as clear the #1 pick in the draft as some people make him out to be.
Clear cut in the draft like a TIm Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Dwight Howard, Allen Iverson
Those guys where legit number 1 locks..I don't know that wiggins is that type of lock over Parker and Randle and Smart
....we simply won't know how good he is until he plays in college. Scouts are "projecting" how good he will be based upon what they know about him today. The hype will always be out of control with an athlete like Wiggins. His athleticism is through the roof. I think his skill set (ball handling, jump shot) will improve and it definitely needs to improve but they are projecting him based upon what he has. I have made similar posts about Wiggins.
I love Jabari' Parker's game. He isn't as heralded because he doesn't have the elite athleticism but he is no doubt the more skilled player.
I could see other guys having better years than Wiggins but when it is all said and done; he will be picked first barring some crazy off year. If he shows glimpses of what they believe he can be; even if he is out performed...he will be picked first.
Is it fair? Maybe not but it is the reality of how players are evaluated.
Me? I honestly feel that Jabari Parker hasn't reached half of his athletic potential or shown it because of his weight or lack of training (his body has always looked a little soft). If Duke can help him tighten up his body I think we will see a completely different player. Mark it down.
Thank you thepessimest, I agree 100% on your post.
I think some people are giving me negatives because they feel like I'm saying he's not gonna be that great..For all I know he will be amazing.
The point of my argument is how all these teams are trying to tank to get him and so fourth I don't think he, at this stage of the game, is that much more clear a better prospect over the other three guys.
Also a lot of people on here saying that if scouts have a consensus it's usually right, that's not accurate..there are too many names to list of players in H.S that were declared can't miss prospects that don't even play anymore..one of my fav's being Dermarr Johnson( a name from the past I know) but in 1999 he was ahead of Lamar Odom lol Scouts get these things wrong all the time.
Besides Jabari Parker is a very close 1b imo..the moves this guy does in H.S will definitely work in the NBA and i'm almost positive he can be a big time scorer in the NBA some day.
The NBA drools over athleticism and that is why they are in love with Wiggins. He is an athletic marvel! He jumps and runs so effortlessly and so explosively and has some game to go with it. But as I have gotten older I have learned to simply wait and watch these players vs. competition. Julius Randle has a lot of tools as well..
It's Wiggin's spot to lose as far as being the #1 pick but Parker also has to demonstrate that he is that guy. Which means he has to get his behind in shape.
Wiggins is playing for an excellent coach so he will have a great chance to succeed.
It isn't totally out of the realm to see Parker or Randle having better college seasons.
Wiggins, as great of a prospect as he is, has a game primarily based on athleticism at this stage. He's going to get his without a doubt, but the clogged lane in the college game (especially with the ridiculous amount of charge calls) is gonna cause him to struggle from time to time. His mechanics on his jumper are pretty good, so I see him developing a good enough shot to keep the D honest his freshman year.
Parker is almost the anti-Wiggins. Parker is known for having great basketball skill, and is being compared to names like Paul Pierce instead of Tracy McGrady. Pierce has an old man's game that has served him well into his 30s. Playing for probably the best X and O coach in K will help Parker learn the game even more. He's Duke's number one option and will dominate the 3 and 4 spot with his strength and skill.
Randle is an absolute man. He has an NBA body right now and good athleticism to match. When he attacks the rim, he's tough to stop. He has a tendency to float in the perimeter, but I think Cal will work that out of him similar to how he did Cousins while he was at Kentucky (though he jacks jumpers now).
That being said, Wiggins is being hailed as a once-every-ten-years talent, and no team at the one spot will pass him up barring a total catastrophe of a season.
I think Jabari Parker is probably a better athlete than we know. He has been out of shape and this has muted him athletically. I'd love to see him playing under 220 at 6'8 and add muscle to his body. I think if he does that we will see a different athlete. His skill level is really nice already!
I don't understand the latest thing is to say that Wiggins is just all athleticism? You don't outplay some of the guys he has just off athleticism. He is pretty talented as a basketball player he isn't James White.
No one is suggesting that Wiggins is "only" an athlete. But at this point that is his strongest asset. He is a solid shooter but not a great one. He can get where he wants to get but he isn't a great ball handler. His best asset is his otherworldly athleticism. That combined with his skill level is what makes him who he is.
Because a poster makes a point about one thing it does not mean that they are making a concrete statement and denying that he has any other positives.
I have not read one guy say Wiggins is only an athlete devoid of skill. But when you watch him play what stands out to you?
When I watched Lebron yeah he was a freak of nature (high school) but man did he see the floor and make the game easier for everyone. You could see the amazing skill level which is why as an 18 year old he averaged what? 20ppg? 6 assist and 5 rebounds? At 18?
That speaks to more than just being athletic and you could see that in high school.
Darko was supposed to be the next "can´t miss prospect" and dominant Big Man for years to come. So was Greg Oden. Of course they did not pan out for different unfortunate reasons but those examples just show you that you can never know.
I am pretty confident about Wiggins being a great player but you can never ever be sure especially when guys never player a college or nba game...
Darko averaged around 6 minutes per game for the first 4 years in the league playing for Detroit. Larry Brown killed his development. He still managed 3.5 blocks per 36 minutes in his uninspired time there but if you take any 18 year old that is considered a top recruit and you bury him on the bench with dnp's or 6 minutes garbage time your gonna crush the guy.
I think it woulda turned out different for him if he was given 15 minutes as a rookie and then progressively more in each season.
Two Wiggins hate threads in a day? Shabazz fell because he was older than listed, was a ball-hog (0.7apg), bad team-mate (Larry Drew says hi) and whole a lot more of red flags. Wiggins will not face those kind of issues. He does need to be a bit more of a killer I'll give you that.
I wouldn't consider it a red flag that he at times looks disinterested or doesn't have a great motor in high school. He's vastly superior to almost every player he comes in contact with at that level and it's unrealistic to think he should have a destroyer mentality and kill everything. Most likely, he's just bored, I watched an AAU game of his against Julius Randle and he was the one checking Randle. He outplayed Randle (28 pts, 13 boards for Wiggins to Randle's 17-15) and played very hard on defense.
I love Andrew Wiggins's game and how it translates to the NBA. He has explosive athleticism, a great handle (combined with a devastating spin move and quick Euro step) and while I'm not in love with his jump shot (I think the release is too low) it is still effective. He has the kind of athleticism that will allow him to be an All-NBA 1st Team Defensive player and a multiple time all star.
I think some of the issue for Wiggins is that there is so much hype and people are just becoming naturally skeptical. I think this kid is that good and he's going to destroy it at Kansas.
...the 3 references to his athleticism. His handle is not "great". He is very right handed and that is when he uses that devastating spin move. He always drives you hard right and if he is cut off (which is hard because he is SO explosive) he spins into a finish. But I would not call his handle "great".
I can't wait to see a college game. I have talked about him so much that I just want to see him play. Seems like a nice young man.
Here is a ESPN written article on 1 and done's. Look at the reason why Wiggins is rated as the (in their eyes) undisputed #1 pick.
Having studied the players of the class of 2013 throughout their high school careers, I've identified the five guys most likely to make the jump to the NBA after just one college season. Let's look at the talent they're bringing to the table, and how their freshman seasons will prepare them for the pros.
1. Andrew Wiggins, Kansas Jayhawks
Wiggins could have been the No. 1 pick in this year's draft if he had been eligible, and he's the overwhelming front-runner to be the top pick in 2014. He is special because he possesses many skills, but one in particular will be of immediate influence at the next level: his athletic ability.
Wiggins has sprinter's speed and a vertical explosion that is off the charts, with an uncommon second jump that will give him an edge on almost any opponent. He will use that athleticism to finish plays above the rim, as well as rebound and defend by deflecting, contesting and blocking shots. KU coach Bill Self has a reputation for fielding strong defensive teams, and Wiggins will be very well-schooled in man-to-man after his freshman campaign.
Offensively, he produces at a high percentage inside the foul line by way of transition finishes, short jumpers, straight-line drives to the basket, his paint game and putbacks. He also has a knack for scoring off of broken plays. His jump shot needs some practice and polish, but by no means is it broken.
The early word out of Lawrence is that Wiggins is as good as advertised; if that proves to be the case, look for Wiggins to be the No. 1 pick in 2014.
2. Julius Randle, Kentucky Wildcats
Throughout the majority of his high school career, even when he was a freshman, Randle was much bigger, faster and more powerful than his opponents. And that will mostly remain the same once he arrives at Kentucky.
But what can be overlooked about Randle's game is his skill level on the blocks; he scores not only with his raw power but also with effective post moves and a soft scoring touch. He's capable of shooting from distance but is much more efficient with his midrange jumper, and can quickly drive the ball to the basket to finish a play.
Randle is a smart post passer who has been double-teamed frequently and is a rebounding machine, especially on the offensive glass. He will get his share of blocks and rebounds.
Under Wildcats coach John Calipari, he will learn to be a responsible defender and a major offensive threat below the elbows. He is part of a recruiting class that is one of the all-time best on paper, and the Wildcats are a legitimate Final Four candidate. Randle figures to be the alpha dog on that talent-laden team, which would make him even more appealing in next year's draft.
3. Aaron Gordon, Arizona Wildcats
Gordon's name was in the discussion for the No. 1 overall recruiting ranking several times during his high school career, and he has two very translatable NBA skills: explosive athletic ability and a willingness to rebound the ball at a high rate. He has a dynamic vertical jump and very secure hands that allow him to grab almost any pass and score in traffic. He's also an underrated passer who has good vision, with the unselfishness to make the assist.
As Gordon improves his low-post moves and shooting consistency, his high energy level will allow this Blake Griffin-type big to flourish at the collegiate and pro levels.
4. Jabari Parker, Duke Blue Devils
No freshman entering college this season will do so with a more accomplished résumé of individual and team achievements than Parker. He's comfortable playing inside as a power forward and outside as a 3-point threat. He has an advanced basketball IQ and a winning attitude and is very coachable.
At Duke, he will have the ultimate teacher in coach Mike Krzyzewski, who will use Parker's offensive versatility in creating matchup advantages. He can handle the ball or pop out to space the floor by shooting a jumper.
He's not in a category athletically with the rest of the guys on this list, and that's a criticism that is often discussed with Parker, but his athleticism is good enough for him to be a successful NBA player (and make the jump after just one season in college). The key for him will be his conditioning -- his lack of elite athleticism means he can't afford to be in anything less than top shape. But if he keeps his body tight, and can demonstrate what position he'll guard at the next level, he can be a lottery pick.
5. Andrew Harrison, Kentucky Wildcats
No point guard in the country will have more pressure on him next season than Harrison. He has the tools to thrive as a freshman, with great positional size, a physical presence and a gift for creating offense. He has a strong body, which not only allows him to finish hard through contact but also allows him to beat his man off the bounce with a low shoulder and get in the lane for floaters as well as drop-off and lob passes. He is a streaky shooter but does have range on his jump shot, and he has a chance to be a good on-ball defender if he puts in effort on defense.
Calipari has a strong history of grooming point guards for the NBA draft, and Harrison will have the benefit of being surrounded by very talented teammates. If he can find the right balance between staying aggressive in looking for his own shot and making others better, he will shine at Kentucky. And a lottery selection will follow.
Although those five are the guys currently most likely to make the leap, here are five more incoming freshmen with the potential to rise up NBA draft boards with big seasons:
Joel Embiid, Kansas Jayhawks
Chris Walker, Florida Gators
Noah Vonleh, Indiana Hoosiers
Kuran Iverson, Memphis Tigers
Aaron Harrison, Kentucky Wildcats