Humphries for Ben Gordon
Just a couple weeks ago we were talking about teams making a move for Ben Gordon. I didn't think it would happen since he has a ridiculous player option for next season. Well the Nets have deep pockets and appear to be making a move for him.
I guess Humphries got dunked on by Kobe so badly they are going to trade him. With Reggie Evans getting bigger minutes they deem Humphries expendable..what are your thoughts on this potential deal?
I like it, if only for the freed up minutes that Blatche is going to be getting. It will take some scoring pressure off of the others, and make them even more of a threat. The comparison to JR Smith's role in NY was a very good comparsion, except with a lot less athletism
Ben Gordon has 2 yrs left on his deal and Humphries has only this season. I wouldn't swing this deal if I were the Nets because 13 million can get you better player(s) than Gordon in the off season.
Humphries is signed for two years
Obviously the Bobcats are years away from the playoffs, but I think this trade might actually be a good move for them. Gordon is going to pick up that option imo so they each have two year deals. Humphries gives the Bobcats a hustling big man who has proven himself in the NBA, and that would be a great thing for a team with so many young players. Plus, if they get a pick that nets them Shabazz or McLemore then they might actually win more than 20 games next year lol. The Nets are looking for a SG who is money from downtown and they love Reggie Evans for some reason so I guess it makes sense for them to add Gordon.
If I'm the Bobcats, I jump at the chance to drop 12 million bucks off the cap this summer; Gordon is not a part of the long term solution in Charlotte, and Humphries provides a little bit of depth up front for them for the rest of the year. As for the Nets, adding some high level perimeter shooting opens up space down on the blocks for Lopez, but it also means that you're trusting Andray Blatche and Mirza Teletovic with more minutes. Either way, New Jersey isn't a Championship contender. If I'm Jersey, I don't touch this trade.
Huh, isn't Marshon Brook just as good as Gordon? Yes weaker at 3P%, but Brooks is way better at getting to the rim and finishing. And they can't even find playing time for Brooks because Joe Johnson is a heavy minutes guy and always has been. Why bring in Gordon to further retard Brooks playing time and development? Especially when you basically aren't putting a better player on the court to do that.
New Jersey would be awfully thin in the Front Court without Hump. If Lopez went down (again), what is your big man rotation? 36 minutes of Blatche and 36 minutes of Reggie Evans, spelled by who? Even if Reggie went down and you played Blatche at PF to start, you still can't keep him there for very long because he has to backup Lopez when he needs a breather. So then you are constantly bring Crash to PF or planning on giving Mirza 25 minutes a night. That seems like a plan that could blow up in your face.
Humphries was signed this past offseason to the 2year 24 mil deal (not sure if the 2nd year is guarenteed) because its an easy way for the Nets to stay over the cap. That sounds contary to what most teams would like to do but once your under the cap, its hard to get back over it unless your resigning your own players. This means a team with a 65 mil payroll will be at a mild disadvantage to another team who has an 80 mil payroll.
I believe that the intention was to always trade Humphries for a player they prefered later on.
As to the type of player Humphries is... I saw a play where Humphries turned the ball over on the offensive end and then stood and watched the defender take off down the court. Thats about all you need to know about him as a player. He's certainly not someone I'd want on my team. Empty stats.
That's a very good point imo. When Prokhorov took over it was obvious that they were going to spend a lot of money on contracts even if I didn't see spending $300 mil for all the contracts they handed out.
But for real, it's not so easy to become a $80 mil payroll team FAST and that's what they did while also kept some flexibilty with the short deal for Humphries who isn't great but not too bad value for what he's giving. Marshon Brooks is overrated but at worst he is a great trade asset for a team who needs backcourt scoring.
I can see the Bulls making a move for him if they can't get a deal done for Reddick or fail to move Boozer what is highly unlikely but who is playing a solid year right now.
Lately whenever they show Deron Williams walk he always limps. He may be hurt and they want a little insurance, but Joe Johnson and Ben Gordon on the court at the same time is somewhat problematic. A lot of eastern conference playoffs teams are going small at the 4, Melo, Bron, Bass, so maybe Wallace will be playing more power forward along with Evans.
This is one the the trades that if someone on here put it up everyone would say it is a redundant.
Melo - 240
Bass - 240
Lebron - 260
Wallace - 215
Those Eastern Conference teams really aren't going all that small when they play those big SFs at PF. Wallace gives up serious pounds to all of those guys. He's athletic and can survive at at that spot, but it is a lot to ask of him. I don't see how the Nets could survive major minutes with Reggie at the Five and Wallace at the Four. So I just don't see how they can trade any of their four big guys. Not unless Mirza somehow learns to defend, rebound and starts hitting his jumper in a big way.
Joe Johnson is 6'7 240. He could guard the small ball 4.
Is Lebron really 260 pounds? He is a beast for sure but his weight seems to be climbing from year to year and Bass for example is way bigger than him and not really shorter. They are both listed as 6-8 and 250 pounds.
Emeka Okafor for example is listed as 6-10 / 255 and he really is an ox.
Actually DWade saw LeBron step on the scale 2 years ago and he was at 275
When D-Wade says this it has to be true...
But seriously. I can't belive he carries more so much bigger than Ibaka or as heavy as heavy as Bass. This are the NBA.com measurements:
Marc Gasol: 7-1 265
Blake Griffin: 6-10 251
Brandan Haywood: 7-0 263
Ibaka: 6-10 235
Reggie Evans: 6-8 245
Tim Duncan: 6-11 255
Elton Brand: 6-9 254
Brandon Bass: 6-8 250
Andrew Bogut: 7-0 260
I don't question LeBrons strength but he can't be heavier or as heavy as guys like Duncan, Bogut or Reggie Evans.
Some people put on weight differently, Drummond was playing at 300 pounds last year but it didn't look like he was that heavy
Drummond was measured with 278.6 at the draft combine and was listed with 6'11.75" in shoes. That's basically a 7 footer and this is way shorter that LeBrons 6-8.
I don't want to do hairsplitting but I don't believe that LeBron is more than 250 +/- 5 pounds. I mean Reggie Evens is a tank and is listed with 245.
I believe it when I see it.
I saw a report on Lebron and Wade's workout and in it the trainer said Lebron was 265 and some ridiculous low body fat. Every report is in that range. So he definitely isn't just 250. And I suspect me saying Melo is 240 is being quite generous to him and that he actually weights quite a bit more. My main point is that when Lebron goes to PF, the Heat have not "gone small". Wallace can play PF, but he is way smaller than most the guys we are discussing.
NETS NEED SCORING ,have Marshon Brooks on bench and for some reason he can't get in Game ,when he does get in game there to quick to take him out if he makes a mistake .....HUMPHRIES as been in the dog house since AVERY days .Nets for some strange reason love REGGIE EVANS ,DERON WILLIAMS IS NOT THE SAME PLAYER AND THAT'S TUE GAMBLE YOU TAKE WITH GIVING PLAYERS MAX DEALS .