Lots of you are going to disagree with me but here is what I have... If I am the owners, I am giong to stand pat and not back off an inch... Why?? Well, I sign the pay check for these guys... Here is my proposal if the lockout gets into the PreSeason...
As an owner, if we are headed into the PreSeason and the lockout is still being retarded, I get 7 or 8 "replacement" players and suit them up, get on the floor and start playing. Then, I market the crap out of these guys.. I would be taking players from the D-League, UnDrafted college guys, FAs that are looking for work.. Then, show the current players that if this issue isnt resolved, we will move on...
Have a supplemental draft that would include D-League talent, FAs, and maybe even some players that have decided they dont want to go back to college another year. Have it 3 or 4 rounds deap so that every team gets a few players to work with.. Then, you market your better players as much as possible.
Eventually, guys would start coming around.. You would have your lower level players wanting their money again.. 8th and 9th man type players would be needing their paycheck so they would crumble first.. They could resign with the team they were with before but their contract would be completly restructured.. Years and money would all be changed.. Eventaully, you would have some former starters coming back and even your "superstars" that realize that they are going to live the good life regardless of wheather they get paid 15 million a year or 10 million a year..
Sure, this way you would be sure to lose some players that are stubborn and stupid but this would keep the lockout from ever really happening and you would eventually get the NBA back without missing and games..
Maybe I am wrong for thinking this but if I own the Bobcats and my players refuse to play for less money, I know damn well that there are guys out there that would kill to play the game and get paid... I mean personaly, I play all the time and do it for free.. If someone offered me any amount of money to play, you had better believe I would jump right on that.
The NBA is suppose to be the best players in the world. Not replacements or D-league players. You must of watch that movie the Replacements too many times..That's like going from Filet Migeon to Hamburger Helper..nice try though..
The players know that they will have to take a pay cut. They will come to an agreement eventually. Getting 2nd tier talent and trying to market it like it is the real thing is definitely not the way to go.
I'm not against your whole idea but there is a few things that have to be said :
- all the owners, executives signed deals (even bad ones) without having a gun on the head, THAT IS YOUR RESPONSABILITIES TO TAKE GOOD DECISIONS (that is also why you get highly paid for because you are supposed to be competent or capable or proficient, use the mor appropriate world you want to)
- as for every company not only in sports there is some bad employees who don't leave up the expectations, who are sometime lazy or just not enougth good (or not lucky) : THAT IS THE RISK YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IF YOU'RE AN OWNER / EXEC' (as for every entreprise)
ex : if a center is highly paid for nothing in return, be smart sign some foreign or young players and teach them (use the nbdl the right way with your own affiliate team with your staff and special trainings...), stop sign or draft players based on their potential (or the fu**ing buzz which is only wind after all) : draft or sign smart clever loyal players you can trust (nick collison kurt thomas afflalo fisher...) who won't do you a "dampier" or a "hughes" trick.
I personnaly thing a hard cap (between 65 and 70M$) would be a good solution to clean up the situation.
But if an owner is dumb, he has to face up reality and assume your decisions.
Its an idea, but other thsn Jordan, (and maybe mark cuban) no one has the balls to do this.
These players get to go all over the world for almost free all season. and they want all that money too... i'd tell them if they want the same amont of $ they have been getting, there going to have to pay for all the stuff the owners/nba pays for free to them every season. Just think of all the stuff they get and pick up for there friends and don't pay for day to day. it's crazy_____. Everyday people have to work 8to4s and pay for there own stuff just to put food in front of them on a 20/40G's a year income plus theres no off season in the real world. players make $Mills and they talk like there going to go broke if they get 4 or $500,000 a season SMH.
You would lose more money that way.. First you wouldnt have many people watching, second you have to pay the players, third you have to pay for the people who work at the arena, coach's,trainers ec. You would be bleeding money. As a owner all you have to do is wait out the players ecause they need teh NBA to get paid but the owners don't because they have already made their money
I find it hard to side with the owners for a couple different reasons first and foremost they signed the papers and now they are saying the players get paid too much they sound like all the other big companines wanting a Bail Out for their own stupid mistakes. I dont think replacement players wont work I used to always argue that there a hundreds of good players not in the NBA. Untill I saw the D-League if they are the next best players then there is a huge drop off between NBA and Non-NBA(I have seen a 12th man go down to the D-League and put up Superstar numbers like he is playing against 8th graders or something). It would be easier to replace the owners than the players. Also once upon a time telling players that there was going to be no games and no pay might have been a great bargaining tool but now-a-days when you have professional, well developed, organized leagues in Europe and Asia there is alot of money and fame to be aquired as long as you are willing to live outside of the U.S. for a season or two. So in my eyes they are basically threatening the players with play by our rules over here or go to Europe and make some money(and get some new fans) untill we are ready to start the NBA season up again.
I agree with the general sentiment about the owners. They voluntarily signed these guys!! They knew the rules, and it's THEIR fault. I bet you Daryl Morey isn't complaining... it's stupid, careless teams that cause this to happen.
However, it's also a partially flawed system. Players like Eddy Curry are racking in millions for being lazy bums. In a real business you would get fired for being that bad.
I think it's crazy that honest, hardworking, players should be expected to take a paycut because of low lifes and stupid owners/GMs. Screw that.
Nope. First if you are already under contract you can't go to europe and play( the NBA and Fia already have a deal in place that prevents that) Second, many many teams over seas don't have alot of money and are losing even more than the owners plus amost teas can only have 3 Americans on the team.
The NBA better watch out the day of one Super League(National Basketball Association) are numbered. It is inevitable that the European leagues and to a lesser extent the Asian leagues will be come more and more competitive and generate more and more money. I am not saying that the European leagues are equal to the NBA or that they will even be equal within the next 20 years. You have already seen one or two mid level players leave lucrative NBA contracts to play in Europe, also very good European talents bounce back and forth one season to the next between here and Europe because they see no problem playing in Europe, same goes for guys in Europe who once upon a time would have jumped at the chance to play in the NBA now they say "I'm cool I will stay where I am, the NBA can wait" and these are guys that have the skills to make a NBA roster. Basketball will eventually have a league set up closer to that of another world game Soccer. In Soccer there is not one Top league but a couple top notch leagues(Spanish La Liga, English Premiership, Italian Serie A) that compete against eachother in international different events.
They wont have to worrry about the players already under contract because they aren't allowed to play in euro leagues. Also if you look deeper into it, the top players that aren't under contrct wouldn't be wise to go play in europe during the lockout,get hurt, then miss out on getting a big payday once the NBA lockout ends. The only one's who seem to be most likely to go to europe are the 8th man on down
But are they under contract if there is no new CBA?
Yep. There contract is still binding even though they aren't getting paid. Fiba and the NBA made that deal awhile ago (The NBA wanted to make sure player's didnt just up and leave to go play in europe if they didn't like there situation and probably to keep them from making money during the lockout in the future,which is now, so they would fold quicker)
The point is, NO ONE IS OFFERING YOU MONEY TO PLAY. I am sorry man, if they are, but I am assuming not and I am assuming you have no idea what you are talking about after what you just posted. The NBA players are the best players in the world. People are not going to pay to see less than that. Ticket prices would be slashed, crowds would be nothing and marketing would cost you more than you would make. Yes, I realize basketball is just a game and you love playing it and play it for free. But, if you played it for free, than my guess is you need other employment, right? So, you would be doing that as a job rather than basketball, right? Well, BASKETBALL IS THESE GUYS JOB! It is a fun game, but there is a lot of work involved to play the game at the level of these players. That is what people do not understand.
How is the league marketed? It is marketed around the players! If you market around new players, odds are that people are not going to be incredibly impressed. They are not going to fork over the amount of dough they do to a regular game. Plus, sponsors and advertising get killed. Not a lot of people will watch replacement players on TV. Yes, it would be an event, and maybe something else to get into for a while, but it would fail and than the players would figure something else to do. You ever watch "the Replacements"? They eventually figured things out, and the players eventually got paid.
See, people figure that anyone can play basketball, and I guess they are right, anyone can play. But, will anyone pay too watch people play basketball? Nope, not if they are seeing a lesser product. That is why the players, people who the league is marketed around and put fans in the stands, are entitled to the amount of money they are, because they are the ones who make the owners money. Even when these guys are losing money, the value of their team will pretty much always bring them some sort of long term profit. I side with the players, and I think for people blaming the players and saying they are whiny millionaires, you might be right, but this is something the owners promised to them. Their last deal was a way for the owners to make money! It failed. Why should the players be overly sympathetic? Not only that, but I think the reason the proposals have been seen as bogus by the players is due to the owners of major markets not wanting to profit share with those from smaller markets. So, there might be fightin AMONGST THE OWNERS. Have to take that into account, as the Players seem pretty much united in not wanting a major change from the current system, while the owners seem to want this change as they are unwilling to sacrifice profits from the larger markets to subsidize those in the smaller markets. Have to take everything into account.
I can not believe people still have this, "I would play this game for free" attitude. People that have that attitude usually do not play basketball for a LIVING. Lets face it, there is competition out there willing to pay great basketball players money. The NBA for instance, makes lots of it, not because people go to see an owner in the stands. NBA commercials usually have players, do they not? Well, whatever replacement players you would get, they had better be good, because I am sure people would be skeptical. You do not see the D-League raking in the dough, do ya?
^^exactly. People will play for free but thats in open gym or in summer leagues during the offseason, but once there is alot of money being made to watch you play that "play for free" thing goes right out the window and rightfully so.
In the end the owners will win, they will bed on a couple of things that they don't really care about( anyone that knows about business knows the ownersprobably have some demads that they don't really care about, example is if they want a 60 percent profit but they ask for 80 knowing they will not really get 80 but they will get that 60 or more)
I don't know how the NBA player contracts are structured, but I'm pretty sure that if the Owner isn't paying under it then eventually the player can rip it up and sign with someone else. You kind of figure it has to work like that eventually. Now that doesn't mean FIBA will hire them. But if the lockout goes too long, I want to see this happen:
Lebron: Hi CBS, it's Lebron. Wade, Kobe and a few of our buddies are going to play a game of basketball on Friday night. We each put in $10,000 and it is winner takes all, so you know we will be going all out. You want to set up some cameras and show that on national TV?
CBS: Yes, but I guess I will have to bump the D-leguage/NBA game I've already got booked.
Lebron: Is that going to be a problem?
CBS: No no problem, ratings were crap on those games already.
Lerbon: Cool. Oh, by the way, Nike will be calling to buy some advertising spots.
Most Owners don't do &$#%#&@! in the NBA except screw up and make bad basketball decsions. I have no sympathy for them and their claims that they can't make money despite billions of dollars of revenue from ticket sales and TV. And I'd much rather see a player get paid than see the Maloofs or Dolan (guys who inherrited their money or where given the team by daddy) have the game so slanted in their favor that they can be idiots and still make money. And the players have offered to take a little pay cut and some restructuring. So the players have budged a bit.
The NBA was mismanaged by specific owners. Stern did a great job even though I do not like him, he did a great job increasing revenue. But the owners of many teams squandered this windfall by just plain poor management. Not to mention that they did give the players a bit too much in the past.
Now they want it all back all at once. Sorry but it's not happening. They should take some responsibility, like a James Dolan who is one of the big reasons the NBA shows loses. The players had it great for too long and I agree, so many sign guaranteed contracts and then give up like Eddy Curry. But who's fault is that? The owners agreed to the contract. Now they realize how they screwed up and how they mismanaged. But they will not take any responsibility on their mistakes on signing terrible GMs like Kahn, over paying for marginal players, recycling coaches who have proven to be losers nd the list goes on and on. They are blaming the players and trying to make them pay for their mistakes, that's wrong to do and they know it but do not care.
@the8thdeadlysin, you must be bored as hell, but I dont blame you.
Nope they can't rip it up. The NBA has a signed deal with FIBA in place that states if a player is under contract he can not play in europe. That would be dumb for a player to do that anyway because they wouldn't even get half as much over there and when they came back they would get less than the originally contract that they had. Just because there's a locout doesn't mean you can just tear up a contract. Business 101
Another thing..Why is han ripped so much?..I canunderstand the drafting of three point guards but other than that he
Got Beasley for Pennies
Traded Mayo for Love
Got Anthony Randolph for basically nothing(hasn't lived up to hype but played ok)
Got Darko who is still a back up but played well
I think that out weighs the point guard draft