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How many players in the NBA would you give a max contract and who?

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How many players in the NBA would you give a max contract and who?

LLPerez made a statement in the James Harden thread I want to elaborate on...

I can name 30 guys I would pay 15 mill a year for easily. If you know you have a solid building piece who is getting better every year and is a key piece to a successful team like harden, I might pay him the Max if I knew it would get my franchise headed in the eight direction. "LLPerez"

Now im not too sure if I agree there is 30 players worthy of a max contract in the NBA but what I do believe is what LL stated, a player like Harden may not be worth a max-contract on a team with a surplus of talent like OKC but on a team with no identity like Houston he definitely is. Point being different teams can gain different productivity from players depending on what position they were put in and what rolw they would fill for the franchise. Personally I dont believe a player that like Bynum is worth a max contract due to his injury issues, when you factor in his attitude, and approach to the game. At the same time guys like Blake Griffin and currently injured Derrick Rose also have that injury scare lingering around them but with their approach to the game at such a professional level I believe any injury they would have aside from something unheard of like loss of an eye or a disease of some sort they would be able to return. Another reason why Harden is worth the max-contract on Houston is positional depth in the NBA or lack there of for the SG position. Harden is arguably the third best SG in the ZNBA and still improving. The Center position would find players not quite worthy of the max recieve it too like Marc Gasol. At the same time it could be the reason why guys like Ty Lawson, Tony Parker and John Wall are not max guys imo. My list has 25 players that if put in the right position are worth the max. The list is in no particular order. Lebron James Kevin Durant Dwight Howard Chris Paul Deron Williams Russell Weatbrook Derrick Rose Kyrie Irving Rajon Rondo James Harden Demarcus Cousins Marc Gasol Rudy Gay Dwayne Wade Chris Bosh Lamarcus Aldridge Kevin Love Josh Smith Greg Monroe Al Jefferson Dirk Nowitzki Kobe Bryant Blake Griffin Carmelo Anthony Monta Ellis Honerable Mention Ty Lawson Roy Hibbert Brook Lopez Kevin Garnett Paul Pierce Amare Stoudemire Jrue Holiday John Wall Demar Derozan Tyreke Evans Ricky Rubio Luol Deng Danny Granger Eric Gordon Al Horford Joakim Noah David Lee Stephen Curry Andre Igoudala What is your list I know I left someone off and more importantly your views on the max contract.


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Sorry about the lack of

Sorry about the lack of organization in the post its killing me to read it. Im on my phone and it was tough to text that.

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Not that many

You better be giving those max deals to players who you believe will lead your team every night and give your team the opportunity to win championships. I don't think a lot of the guys on your list fit that definition. Giving max deals to guys like Danny Granger, Loul Deng, Monta Ellis, Brook Lopez, Demar Derozan (even though I love him), Al Jefferson, and several others will not help you win a Championship. They are all very nice players but not superstars, and has history has shown, superstars win championships in the NBA. Giving 2nd tier players max deals puts your franchise in "NBA Hell", that is, being just good enough to make the playoffs and to think you possibly have a shot to win, but you really don't. You also aren't bad enough to get the top, franchise-changing, superstar player in the draft. Paying those 2nd tier players big money deals and not winning championships is a waste. If I was a GM I would rather let a guy like Monta Ellis walk, let another team give him a max deal, even though my team would suffer. I'll take the chance with the draft pick if my team sucks than pay Ellis, knowing he won't lead me to championship. With all that being said, here is my list......

LeBron, KD, Rose, Demarcus Cousins, Paul, Westbrook, Griffin, Love, Howard, Kyrie Irving, Rondo-yup, Lamarcus Aldridge, Carmelo. Also, huge fan of Paul George and Derrick Favors, would pay them in a couple years, and Anthony Davis.

I am leaving out Kobe, Wade, Duncan, KG, Nash, and Paul Pierce due to age. If you asked me THIS YEAR, I would not give a 5-year max deal to any of these guys, obviously.

I am leaving guys like Deron Williams, Noah, Gay, Josh Smith, Chris Bosh, and others, but again, I would rather suck and get a top pick that could lead to Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, Derrick Rose, Blake Griffin, Durant, LeBron, than be in NBA Hell while paying Deron Williams, Joe Johsnson, and Brook Lopez max deals.

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Deron Williams

I agree with you on most of what you have to say, and on the lists you have made for the most part.

But I strongly disagree that Deron Williams in not a max contract player.

You could argue that PG is the most important position in the NBA today, and Williams is one of the top 5 PG's in the game. The top 5 PG's, IMO, and in no order, are: Paul, Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, and Williams. I think that all 5 of those guys are very easy calls to give a max deal to.

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not sure which one is the main thread

so I'll post this here too

First off, the new CBA has made it tougher for teams to have multiple big money contracts so handing out 15 mil isn't a joke. I am also assuming this means who would I give a max contract to if they were free agents this offseason, so I'm guessing a 4-70+ or 5-90+ deal is what you mean by max contract. That being said, I would pay a guy like Kobe or Dirk that kind of money for the next year or two, but definitely not the next four or more years. I'm also not including anyone drafted after 2009 cuz it's too early to tell still, imo. That being explained, here is my list (in no particular order):

PGs: Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo

SGs: James Harden, Dwayne Wade, Eric Gordon

SFs: Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony

PFs: Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Chris Bosh, LaMarcus Aldridge

Cs: Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum

Total: 17

Players I would need to know what kind of team I was signing him to but even then I hesitate: Rudy Gay, Josh Smith, Andre Iguodala, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, Paul Millsap, Tyreke Evans

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you have to take into account

you have to take into account guys you "want" to pay the max to and guys you are "willing" to pay the max to so as not to lose them. Do I want to pay rudy gay 15 mill? NO. But if that is what it takes to keep him from one of the 29 other teams, then yes, i will pay a 20 point per game scorer who defends well and will be a solid starter and building block going forward that, even if he is not a franchise changing talent. And yes, I can name 30 guys im WILLING to pay max contracts to to keep them.

off the top of my head: kobe, pau, dwight, cp3, blake griffin, cousins, eric gordon, aldridge, durant, westbrook, harden, duncan, parker, manu, dirk, zbo, marc gasol, gay, rose, granger, monta ellis, kyrie, lebron, wade, bosh, josh smith, wall, pierce, rondo, holiday, brook lopez, dWill, joe johnson, amare, melo

okay thats 35 right there. I know some would call me out for a few like holiday, wall , kyrie and cousins who havent quite established themsleves entirely, but i see them as future all-stars and i would pay them 15 mill per right now to keep them.

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I'm a big Eric Gordon fan but I really don't think he's worth a max contract considering his injury history over the last two years and the fact that he's starting this year injured.. again..

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TIMING ...Hindsight is

TIMING ...Hindsight is always 20/20..... Its is hard to say who is worth what because players have multi- year deals. It is supply and demand, Look at the Center position. I cant believe guys like Tyson Chandler and Nene got the money that they did. There is such a short supply of quality bigs. But if i were the Gm of OKC, i would have amnestied or traded someone to make room for Harden. Kevin Martin is Not a replacement. Those 20ppg are old stats, he is on the decline. Otherwise Houston would have never made the deal. Harden is underrated and can do so much and ( in my Stephen A Smith voice) " and he's got a left hand"

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Tyson Chandler

You "can't believe" that Chandler got the contract that he did? Even after winning Defensive Player of the Year after his first year of the deal? Doesn't that justify his contract? You realize that you have to factor in the amount of impact big men in the league, right?

He may not be a great offensive player, but even on that end of the floor he did average over 11 points a game while shooting 68% from the field. Add that to the fact that he is an elite defensive player and it becomes hard to find all that many big men who are more deserving of their contracts. Not to mention he is also an elite rebounder who averaged 10 boards per game last season.

I understand that big men get overpaid regularly because of the lack of talented big men out there, but I do think that Chandler justified his deal after year one. Whether he is able to keep up that play is anyones guess, but that is besides the point.

In relation to the thread, I don't think Tyson Chandler is on a max deal anyways, but I'm not sure I agree that he isn't worth the money he got.

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You can't talk about "max

You can't talk about "max contract players" without talking about the 2 salary caps... assuming there is really not 1 but 2 caps : 1 for small market teams (as OKC, SAS or MIN) who can't afford to pay luxury taxes and 1 for big market teams (as LA, NY, CHI, DAL, MIA) able to pay taxes and break the original rule (thanks to better incomes, more effective merchandising and regional TV contracts).

LA or NY (both teams) can really overpay players like Joe Johnson for example and absorb 2 or 3 max contract players. Of course there are some rules to keep in mind, but it's not so hard to get around... just look at what BKN or the Lakers did this summer.

Some players like Harden (or Joe Johnson, monta ellis or maybe marc gasol) can be max contract players in a big market but can't be in small market teams. OKC can't afford overpaying Harden with a max contract, it will kill the rest of the roster (players like maynor, collison or mid level contract kind of players won't be able to complete the roster) whereas Houston really could have 3 max contract players and keep a competitive roster.

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As regards Max deals, a lot

As regards Max deals, a lot obviously depends on age paying a guy say $14 million a year is a lot different to paying a guy $20 million plus. Guys like Pau Gasol and Dirk Nowitzki aren't on max deals but earn a lot more than some guys on maximum available deals for example KD or Brook Lopez.

The lists look good to me, I cannot think of anyone missing from it.

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@Chilbert Arenas

I hear ya on Eric Gordon. Wish the kid could just get healthy and stay healthy. I only included him because there simply aren't many SG's under the age of 25 who can drop 20 ppg.

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Hey, I read that OKC made a

Hey, I read that OKC made a $35 million profit last year. That would have covered all of the Harden luxury tax issues if the owner was willing to sacrafice not having yet another Porche in the garage But he wasn't, so the team went cheap.

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