How good is Jonas Valanciunas?.........Seriously??
I'm asking this because I've searched high and low and, so far, I've found a grand total of ZERO highlight clips of him, or at least anything that makes me believe he's not the next Darko Milicic. So like the title says, how good is he?
First off, he's not Darko and plays nothing like him. Darko came in the league known for his offense, while Valenciunas is projected to be a defensive anchor in the paint (or atleast in that mold). As of right now, he is only 19 years old and already stands 6'11 245lbs and is said to have a 7'4 wingspan. His body is projected to get bigger which gives him a ton of upside. I see him as Andres Biedris with potentially better offense and w/o the Free Throw issues.
Omer Asik at age 21http://www.euroleague.net/competitio...asoncode=E2007
Luis Scola at 20 http://www.euroleague.net/competitio...asoncode=E2000
Marc Gasol at 19 http://www.euroleague.net/competitio...ode=E2004+++++
Jonas Brotha at 18 http://www.euroleague.net/competitio...r?pcode=000898
Tiago Splitter at 19http://www.euroleague.net/competitio...asoncode=E2004
Pau Gasol at 20 http://www.euroleague.net/competitio...asoncode=E2000
He's very long, extremely active, quick off his feet, and just simply wreaks havoc near the rim.
He has a ton of highlights I dunno how you werent able to find any.
Whoa, this is just what I've been looking for. I'm a Piston fan and I've seen his name pop up all over the place at #8 on many mock drafts. Much better than I thought thanks dude.
I can see why a Pistons fan would be wary of drafting a raw international C, but I think he'd be great value at the number 8 spot.
The Kid has just turned 19 (March) I am originally from Lithuania and seen him develop since he was 16. He won MVP in Eurochampionship U-16, MVP in U-18 two years later. This year he will be playing in WORLD'S CHAMPIONSHIP in Latvia late in July, where Lithuania and USA teams are expected to win it all. There will be a good examination for Valanciunas going against strong USA's Centers.
Moreover, he has improoved unbelievably this year. Looking back 1 year or so he increased his muscles TWICE. And I can see him improoving not year by year but month by month. He is very hard working. Here he is compared to the next Sabonis if he can improove the passing skills. If no major injuries this is a superb pick at 8th place and definatelly no comparison for Milicic (Motiejunas could be next him...). If Jonas could get next year 20-25mins subbing Ben he will produce you with 8pts, 6.5Rebs, 0.5ass, 0.5Stl, 1.5Blk 63.5% FG, 82% FT, and probably 2TO and 4FLS.
(These stats are based on Pistons getting a new PG not Stuckey who cannot play 2x2 game...)
He would complement Greg Monroe very well, Monroe is a high post Center and Valanciunas is a low post C/PF.
Simply from that video you posted.. His dunking style, or even offensive style reminds me of Shaq in his later days. He doesn't seem to get off the ground much at all when dunking or shooting it from the post. He seems to rely on his length to score buckets which if he continues that might be a big problem in the NBA. However if he's much more athletic on defense, I don't see a problem with him becoming a great combo with Greg Monroe.
Jonas Valanciunas = Patrick Ewing
Enix344 1 year ago
I don't think Joe Dumars would risking losing him job drafting another possible euro bust...
i think the pistons draft more conservatively this year along the lines of a tristan thompson
I'm not one to blow my own horn, but, i always said Valanciunas was better then Motiejunas as a prospect and as an NBA player.
Actually, Valanciunas reminds me of Darko coming in, Darko was more defense then offense. Darko had some skills but all in all, he was a defensive player, that would block shots and rebound, and would improve on the offensive side year-by-year and that's how i see Valanciunas being like, but, he won't end up like Darko. What sets Valanciunas apart from Darko, and any other past European prospect excluding Pau, Rubio and Dirk. Is his fantastic history of being the best European player in his age group. He's a prodigy, he should get more hype considering what he's done.
Should the Pistons be wary of him? No, the Pistons for now, are no longer contenders, therefore they can give youngsters heavy minutes, this isnt the same situation as Darko. Jonas has the right attitude and work ethic to succeed due to the opportunities he will have. That is of course, Jonas is still available, if he is, the Pistons have to take him.
Some Americans really need to stop rubbing the Darko cloth on any young European bigman, i'm from Europe, and i don't see any young top PF as the next Kwame Brown.
Eventhough this is regarded as a weak draft, the Europeans in this class are very strong, stronger then it has been in a while.
he is a long, active bigman, has solid skills, very fundamental, decent athlete with ok agility, hard worker, will have a long career in the league. comparison: Kevin Willis
I'd love to see them together in the League somehow but since they'll be on different teams and have different chances and expectations I have to go with Donatas having the better career, he can shoot the ball and will not be taken as high as Jonas which will allow him to slowly work his way in and not be forced to produce early on...and for Pistons fans that want a Ben Wallace clone, look no further than Faried, he's not half the risk.Bismack and Jonas are, in fact Dumars will be fired if he takes a risk on either guy and he doesn't produce very very soon, Faried will at the very least work as tail off day and actually can contributed next year, can you say the same about Bismack or Jonas...I agree with subpar that we as Americans need to stop comparing every euro big to Darko or Dirk, and white American players to other white American players, European fans don't compare every black athlete to Kobe or Lebron, they don't even compare guys like Renardo Sidney to Eddie Curry and that would be fair...
yeah hopefully he will be better than darko> I think that darko had the talent to be just as good as jonas could be. he has a stretch of a few weeks every year where he puts up hall of fame stats but then goes back to doing nothing its just plain sad
one prospect that i wonder about is enes kanter i used to think he was aweful but im starting to believe he has a decent amount of talent at worst because he atleast impressed at the combine and im europe in a couple games but overall in europe only averaged a couple points a game. then he hasnt played in college this year due to being not elligible . when he talks he acts very nice and like someone that wouldnt be cocky and would have a high work ethic. overall if he has the talent i deffinitely see signs of him wanting to be good and thats a good combo still wish he could have played in college though
@Subpar: Might be a little bit soon to toot your own horn and call him a better player than Motiejunas, even if he might be a better prospect, given that neither has actually played in the NBA. Just because someone gets drafted higher doesn't make them a better player (see: Thabeet).
He's a very good player with an excellent motor and great length. You can see from the videos that he really goes after the ball and actually has some aggressiveness. Darko had a world of talent, but no heart or drive.
I was tooting my horn on the draft position. As for who the better player will be, it's too early. Shame i can't edit my intial post :/.
1. Competition level of LKL- When Motiejunas was 18 and playing in the LKL, he was an All-Star averaging 20-9 per game. He moved up to Italy, and has been nothing special.
Big Z averaged 20.3 points, 12.8 rebounds and 2.8 blocks before he came to the NBA. Martynas Andriuskevicius was taken after sparing time with Zalgiris (Averaged 4.4 points, 2.5 rebounds and 0.8 blocks in 9.6 minutes per game), and he proved to be in no way ready for the NBA. Linas Kleiza made it to the NBA by way of Missouri and Darius Songaila by way of Wake Forest, so they cannot be measured by their LKL play.
vs Zalgiris- 7 games, 21 MPG, 8.9 Ppg, 22-39 FGm-FGa, 17-24 FTM-FTA, 5.4 Rpg, 0.6 Apg, 1.4 Bpg, 0.4 Spg, 1.0 TOpg, and 3.6 PFpg
vs CSKA- 2 games, 11 MPG, 3.5 Ppg, 3-8 FGm-FGa, 1-2 FTM-FTA, 2.5 Rpg, 0.5 Apg, 1.0 Bpg, 1.5 Spg, 1.5 TOpg, and 2.0 PFpg
vs Unics- 2 games, 13 MPG, 3.0 Ppg, 2-6 FGm-FGa, 2-2 FTM-FTA, 6.0 Rpg, 0.5 Apg, 1.0 Bpg, 0.0 Spg, 0.5 TOpg, and 2.0 PFpg
Euroleague- 15 games, 15 MPG, 7.7 Ppg, 46-65 FGm-FGa, 23-26 FTM-FTA, 5.8 Rpg, 0.2 Apg, 0.7 Bpg, 0.2 Spg, 1.4 TOpg, and 3.1 PFpg
It is a fine body of work for an 18-year old, and if he stays oversees to develop there is promise for him. It is not, however, what anyone would want for someone projected to be a lottery pick and have the role of trying to help make a bad team good. Putting him on the payroll with a lottery slot is a recipe for failure.
2. Fouls and turnovers
A player cannot help a team when he fouls at the rate Valaciunas currently does (8.2 per 40 in Euroleague, 4.6 in VTB United, and 6.1 in LKL), and it is made worse when that player is raw offensively yet still turns it over more than 3.5 per 40 across all three leagues. Once again, a team cannot put forth a lottery-level investment in a guy who can't play yet. They aren't good enough to have a $4 million project backup center who can't stay on the floor.
I can see the comparisons between Darko and Valanciunas in terms of their hype, but Darko was younger and more raw, and the scouting reports on him were amazingly wrong.
He was suppose to be a 7 foot plus legit center from Serbia with great shooting and rebounding, who was suppose to be one of the next great Europeans based on his play vs. professional European basketball players as a teenager.
Looking back at it, the only footage I saw of Darko before and at the draft were the same 6 or 7 grainy VHS clips of him not really doing anything remarkable in Europe especially given his size.
Looking at Valanciunas, I think he will be a good body down low and has great length, but we'll have to see if he can play physical and use his supposed strength and length to battle with the various C's around the league who will do the same to him.
He is very active though and Lithuania is a huge basketball country, so I'd hope he's Lithuania's next great center.
Darko coming into the league was a mix of Donatas and Jonas. Darko could shoot, dribble, pass, and more importantly he had a "mean streak". Remember Darko in the Finals against the Lakers crossing over Horry and running in and dunking over somebody his rookie year as an 18 year old. Darko has all the tools, his athleticism, wingspand and standing reach are all off the charts. But he's was not mentally prepared for the NBA the same way Tyler was not prepared to go to Israel at the same age.
And more NCAA players bust in the league then Euro's I don't feel like running off the list of names again but everywhere you looked even in the playoffs Euro's were having a huge impact. Ibaka, Manu, Mac Gasol, Pau, Toni Parker, Omar Asik, Thabo, obviously Dirk the list can go on.
But I really do like Jonus and think he can become one of the better defensive centers in the league. He reminds me more of a Noah type player then anybody who will make plays on defense, protect the rim, and provide hustle and energy.
The only thing is he won't be able to come over for another 2 years so if he stays in the draft he will most likely fall.
If he withdrawals and reenters when he can come right over he will be a top 5 pick in 2 years.
Darko def had all the physical and skills talent, but had the brain and emotional capacity of a child. Just wasn't ready to play against real men. College or a little more seasoning in Euro would have helped him, much like the previous 18yr old high school bust that came in the league.
@4th dimension: so whats your take on Valanciunas? whats the differences you see in Jonas and Darko? Just curious.
They are different players, and Darko had/has more potential due to size and skillset, if you could fuse the two you'd have a great C...
They are different players, and Darko had/has more potential due to size and skillset, if you could fuse the two you'd have a great C...
Like the idiot scarecrow said, Darko had more potential than Jonas because he has better body and arguably more athletic. Jonas seems to have a better motor (as far as playing defense and rebounding) than Darko, and that will help him early on in his career, where he doesn't have to be relied on to score, but just rebound and play defense and his offense will come along as he matures. Darko was simply lost on defense and didn't have the motor early on in his career.
Any word of whether Jonas will be at eurocamp? Would be nice to get the final measurements on this guy.
“But I really do like Jonus and think he can become one of the better defensive centers in the league. He reminds me more of a Noah type player then anybody who will make plays on defense, protect the rim, and provide hustle and energy.”
He can’t avoid fouling in the LKL, and was even worse in the Euroleague, so why would you believe that he won’t be a foul prone mess in the NBA? Joakim Noah gets worked over by Dwight Howard and the other bigger, stronger, more skilled big men, but most of the time he is capable of playing upwards of 40 minutes capably. Valaciunas was being protected by his coach so as not to have to guard Mike Batiste. If a guy has to be protected from Mike Batiste, then how is he possibly going to be “one of the better defensive centers in the league.”
His best case scenario is Darko ina Euro Kendrick Perkins would be the very best case scenario...I don't love the competition he played against and anyone looking to draft him top 10 might as well offer the pick up for charity...he's not a great prospect at all in my eyes and this off the few clips I've seen and insight gained from guys like you...Both Teams is usually very informed and not at all caught up in the hype of a prospect...
Ther real Scare Crow is back!
Come on Jonas will end up being better than Darko!
because he is getting ready with Lithuania's National Team for U-19 World's Junior Championship. He just played a friendly game last night 24pts 12 rebs 5 blks in 19 mins!!! Its going to be a nice U-19 championship where hopefully Lithuania can meet USA in final and beat hopefuls such as: Jeremy Lamb, Tim Hardaway, Jr., Brad Beal, Keith Appling, Patric Young etc. World's U-19 Junior Championship Starts 30th July!